Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[TheWoodenSlug]

Shit boring "sport" followed by shit boring people.

The whole Spring Racing Carnival is stupid, unless you like hanging out with brain-dead bogans and sluts crammed into their ill-fitting Year 12 formal dress.

But yeah horse racing is cruel too, duh.

Guilty!

 

[King Brown]

I'm sure vegans would feel inclined to disagree.

They’re wrong.

 

[undefined]

They’re wrong.

The fact that consumers of a vegan diet can live healthy lives filled with vitality proves we don't need to eat animal products.

 

[King Brown]

The fact that consumers of a vegan diet can live healthy lives filled with vitality proves we don't need to eat animal products.

Except it doesn't. It proves some people can live healthy lives. You're forgetting those that try the vegan diet and go back to eating animal products because of the health drawbacks of going vegan.

There is no evidence of any human society ever consuming solely plants as food.

 

[undefined]

Except it doesn't. It proves some people can live healthy lives. You're forgetting those that try the vegan diet and go back to eating animal products because of the health drawbacks of going vegan.

There is no evidence of any human society ever consuming solely plants as food.

The only drawbacks are a lack of protein (which is arguable, considering that many plants are rich in the molecule)/iron/b12. Fortified plant-based products and cheap, easily-accessible supplements offset the rare deficiencies. The advantages of veganism heavily outweigh the disadvantages, and those who revert do it for a number of reasons, not just due to the very limited health issues associated with the diet.

You're right, there isn't evidence of this. But what's to say that can't be changed in the future?

 

[King Brown]

The only drawbacks are a lack of protein (which is arguable, considering that many plants are rich in the molecule)/iron/b12. Fortified plant-based products and cheap, easily-accessible supplements offset the rare deficiencies.

This assumes that all nutritional information is known. It isn't. We can't even settle the debate about whether saturated fat is good or not.

We should consider the fact that humans eat meat and have always eaten meat, despite the enormous costs of doing so. Plants have always been more abundant and easier to obtain. But still, we hunted and eat meat from the very beginning, despite the risks and energy costs of hunting.

 

[undefined]

This assumes that all nutritional information is known. It isn't. We can't even settle the debate about whether saturated fat is good or not.

We should consider the fact that humans eat meat and have always eaten meat, despite the enormous costs of doing so. Plants have always been more abundant and easier to obtain. But still, we hunted and eat meat from the very beginning, despite the risks and energy costs of hunting.

This meat-eating trend has contributed to half of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. Just because it's the historical norm, doesn't mean it's right.

 

[Lethality]

We should consider the fact that humans eat meat and have always eaten meat

Not the way it's currently prepared

 

[Lethality]

I heard some jockey punched his horse in full view of everyone at the 'carnival'. All the apologists are explaining this away saying it wouldn't have hurt the horse, and he's been disciplined, while ignoring the bigger issue of the treatment and killing of these kinds of horses by the thousands.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I heard some jockey punched his horse in full view of everyone at the 'carnival'. All the apologists are explaining this away saying it wouldn't have hurt the horse, and he's been disciplined, while ignoring the bigger issue of the treatment and killing of these kinds of horses by the thousands.

Was at Port Lincoln in South Australia.

 

[undefined]

I heard some jockey punched his horse in full view of everyone at the 'carnival'. All the apologists are explaining this away saying it wouldn't have hurt the horse, and he's been disciplined, while ignoring the bigger issue of the treatment and killing of these kinds of horses by the thousands.

My uncle is a prominent trainer. The shit that I saw during school holidays spent working for him.. simply abhorrent.

 

[Lebbo73]

Hahaha. Another fred like this will be made again next year. Horse racing will not be banned. A lot of so called facts in this fred are just pure fantasy and the whips do not hurt. They changed the whips about 10 years ago and someone showed them hitting a person with them.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

I heard some jockey punched his horse in full view of everyone at the 'carnival'. All the apologists are explaining this away saying it wouldn't have hurt the horse, and he's been disciplined, while ignoring the bigger issue of the treatment and killing of these kinds of horses by the thousands.

Just watched the footage of that - what an absolute cretin. Makes you wonder, if he's willing to punch the horse in the guts in full view of the public/cameras, how he would treat them behind closed doors.

 

[undefined]

Hahaha. Another fred like this will be made again next year. Horse racing will not be banned. A lot of so called facts in this fred are just pure fantasy and the whips do not hurt. They changed the whips about 10 years ago and someone showed them hitting a person with them.

The skin of a horse is far thinner than that of a human. And at least the person whipped in that demonstration gave their consent.

 

[Lebbo73]

The skin of a horse is far thinner than that of a human. And at least the person whipped in that demonstration gave their consent.

Bahaha. You're so funny. Watch a horse race closely and the feather they use for a whip these days is lucky to even hit the horse.

 

[undefined]

Bahaha. You're so funny. Watch a horse race closely and the feather they use for a whip these days is lucky to even hit the horse.

 

[Lebbo73]

Yeah that really hurt. Your uncle should hit you with the jigger just to fix stupidity issues.

 

[Lebbo73]

I just looked up this video on YouTube and it is at least 5 years old and the racing footage was years older. Old whips and the fact that no one commented on the video proves that should give this issue away!

 

[Thrawn]

they are virtually no different from plants so no its not even remotely as cruel.

Citations please.

I didn't realise plants had a brain and nervous system.

 

[undefined]

Yeah that really hurt. Your uncle should hit you with the jigger just to fix stupidity issues.

Ouch

I suppose it is futile for one to argue with a stupid person, so I'll save you the trouble. I will, however, leave a link to this peer-reviewed study titled 'Whip Use by Jockeys in a Sample of Australian Thoroughbred Races' for you to read if your oh-so-intelligent brain craves something light and breezy.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0033398

 

[Procrastinator35]

Horse racing is boring & so passe....Once upon a time, pre the industrial era, it may have had a place & been relevant....It probably still is to those of us who grew up in the country with horses.....But to city folk, where concrete, asphalt & buildings are the law of the jungle, it just appears so out of place.

Long past are the days of my childhood, where of the old Clydesdale's would pull the milk-man's dray down Lygon Street early in the morning, waking everyone up with the clang of the bottles & the clip-clop of the horses hooves upon the road.

I wonder if Phar Lap's exhibit is still on display at the Melbourne museum nowadays.....Hmmm.

 

[M Malice]

One of the really good friends I had back when I was a young whipper snapper in the 70s has been right into horses (has owned a couple and has one now) over the last 5 years or so.

We were/are? really good mates and we used to visit him and his wife quite regularly but ever since they have been into the horses and the racing industry in general whenever we go to visit them all it's about is the horses eg. lets go to the track, to the stables, to the TAB and it's all they talk about, we gradually drifted apart and haven't seen or spoken to them for going on 3 years.

Horses, fantastic animals. Horse racing, boring as bat shit.

 

[cartwright]

Just watched the footage of that - what an absolute cretin. Makes you wonder, if he's willing to punch the horse in the guts in full view of the public/cameras, how he would treat them behind closed doors.

Yep. And only a two week ban
I hope the next horse he rides throws him off and he breaks some bones.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Horse racing was once famously described by Phil Bull as "the great triviality". It's essentially a rich man's pursuit which endeavours to improve the thoroughbred breed via selective breeding and racing, and invites the common man to participate in (and partly fund) the process through gambling, and more recently, syndication.

The horses exist to race and know nothing else. They are quite possibly the most well-cared-for animals on the planet and the very rare cases of cruelty do not invalidate this statement. Yeah there are crooks around the fringes as there are wherever money is found, but to label those in the industry as "bad people" is a really uninformed perspective. It has its pros and cons like most other things. All in life is not sin!

Gambling's a side issue and although still a social punter after taking it very seriously in my younger days, it's not something I'd advocate to the uninitiated.

If you don't like it, don't play, but don't try to spoil it for others.

 

[Seeds]

Citations please.

I didn't realise plants had a brain and nervous system.

its not about a brain but consciousness which is only a subset of the brain. Humans have the most advanced level of consciousness. plants have none. fish have virtually none. mammals are in between humans and fish. thus fish closer to plants then humans in consciousness terms.