Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[Admiral Byng]

it is just protein recycling.

 

[medusala]

I'm sure there are plenty of unscrupulous people in the industry who put money and fame ahead of the wellbeing of the horses, but in my experience most of the people actually dealing with the animals are animal lovers. The animals are doing what they were born to do, are treated very well and usually go on to have a pretty happy life post-racing. I'd rather be a racehorse than a pet horse.

Saw good doco a few years ago re this. Cant remember who (think it was Geordielands trainder, ran in the cup) but he said at the end of the day he loved being a trainer because he loved horses. I have no doubt there are bad eggs but I think this holds true for the vast majority.

Also consider a horse vs jockey. If they dont want to jump out of the gates and race they wont. Nearly all of them want to. Sure some dont and wear blinkers etc but its not too far off having a border collie. They want to do something, they dont make great pets as they want to work.

Jumps in Australia is another thing though. I would have no issue with banning that.

 

[Bombermania]

The industry dissociates itself from that side of it, which is understandable. It's not up to them to dictate what owners do with their animals, post-racing.

If cruelty is taking place at the abbatoirs then the responsible government department needs to step in.

Racing Australia does have some responsibility for these horses, they should be ensuring the people connected to the sport are of good character because if they can treat these horses like this in their retirement, then what else are they doing. Racing Australia should either take that responsibility seriously or the sport should be regulated to ensure that it is looking after its meal ticket.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Racing Australia does have some responsibility for these horses, they should be ensuring the people connected to the sport are of good character because if they can treat these horses like this in their retirement, then what else are they doing. Racing Australia should either take that responsibility seriously or the sport should be regulated to ensure that it is looking after its meal ticket.

Are you talking about cruelty at the abbatoir, or within the industry? The industry already applies a "fit and proper person" test when handing out licences.Undesirable people can be "warned off" and not permitted to enter a racetrack; even punters. It's a bit much to expect them to oversee businesses outside the industry with no connection to the racetrack.

If enough of a stink is kicked up that it begins to damage the business, they'll do something. Victoria's racing minister made a comment about "horse tracking" after the animals have finished racing. For now it's about making the right noises until it goes away.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Are you talking about cruelty at the abbatoir, or within the industry? The industry already applies a "fit and proper person" test when handing out licences.Undesirable people can be "warned off" and not permitted to enter a racetrack; even punters. It's a bit much to expect them to oversee businesses outside the industry with no connection to the racetrack.

If enough of a stink is kicked up that it begins to damage the business, they'll do something. Victoria's racing minister made a comment about "horse tracking" after the animals have finished racing. For now it's about making the right noises until it goes away.

I think the highlighted is it, I'd expect there to be protests of some sort today for Melbourne and Sydney, if not then I guess the Flemington Carnival will be targeted and rightly so in my book. I don't think they have a snowflake's chance in hell of every having it banned outright but make enough of a stink to make some decent reforms.

The whole industry needs a shake-up.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

This, the greyhound fiasco and live exports and changing attitudes amongst the younger generation are, imo, the reason that down the track, vegans will win a lot more than they'll lose.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Racing Australia does have some responsibility for these horses, they should be ensuring the people connected to the sport are of good character because if they can treat these horses like this in their retirement, then what else are they doing. Racing Australia should either take that responsibility seriously or the sport should be regulated to ensure that it is looking after its meal ticket.

I think person of good character and gambling industry don't go well together. Horse racing is not a sport, it is primarily a form of gambling.

 

[Nikita Blue]

As an aside another reason we should be grateful for the ABC. Does anyone believe this would come to light via commercial media who are in bed with the racing industry.

 

[Admiral Byng]

As an aside another reason we should be grateful for the ABC. Does anyone believe this would come to light via commercial media who are in bed with the racing industry.

Call me cynical but I reckon there would be a few who would see this as further reason to abolish the ABC for being "too PC'.

 

[Lethality]

Hopefully the next time a horse is killed during a race, people join the dots between that and the ABC730 report, and realise it's all inhumane.

 

[evo]

I spend a few months a year in a Japanese village and horse meat is a pretty popular fare in the restaurants.

They generally serve it raw - the Japanese word for raw horse meat is sakuraniku, literally translated as "cherry blossom meat". Who could possibly object to a such a cute sounding food?

 

[evo]

If they are genetically fine-tuned for racing, why do over 50% of race horses suffer bleeding in the lungs, and 85% suffer gastrointestinal lesions?

I don't particularly have a dog in this fight, and didnt see the ABC report, but wouldn't it be in the interests of someone who had horse sometimes worth many millions to avoid such maladies? Surely bleeding lungs is not very conducive to fast and efficient running in future events.

 

[Power Raid]

Cruelty to animals
Money laundering
Corruption and fixing

There is too much wrong with the industry to tolerate and reforms won’t work without a fight

 

[Cuzz09]

Do you think the world would miss horse/dog racing?

The money from the industry would be put into other areas of society.



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[Ron The Bear]

Do you think the world would miss horse/dog racing?

The money from the industry would be put into other areas of society.

Another way of looking at it is that without racing, punters would squander their money elsewhere, perhaps illegally, whereas the industry returns millions each year to the public purse through gambling taxes.

It is also a major employer and the third-biggest spectator sport in the country. That's a lot to dismiss with the stroke of a pen because someone found a certain undercover report to be distasteful.

Racing works.

 

[James1970]

Gotta love all the recent articles and interviews with 'horse racing identities' who are suddenly shocked and dismayed at the thousands of horses tortured and killed thanks to their love of the 'sport'.

Even Bruce McAvaney felt ashamed at it all - someone who's spent his life in the industry - confessing he didn't know what went on.

Sorry Bruce - you're full of shit. Or you're a dumb f***. Let's make a bet - 2-3 odds on, it's both.

Racing Australia’s chief executive Barry Dumb-F*** O'Farrell also said he’s 'appalled' but remained 'reasonably confident' in Racing Australia’s official data which shows just 34 horses annually end up at slaughterhouses. The ABC reported over 200 a week, Barry. What a prick.

The trainer of Winx gave an interview saying it was all wrong - 'we love our horses.' He didn't seem to give a shit about Bareul Jeong, brother of Winx, who wasn't as fast as his sister, so was shipped off to South Korea - where hundreds of other Aussie horses go - to be tortured and killed.

An industry full of scum and sanctimonious arse-wipes too ashamed to admit it's all about the money - that's all it's about - nothing else.

Those who go along for the fun, the fashions and 'colour' are just the usual numb-nuts too thick to see through the PR bullshit the industry has spent tens of millions of dollars on over the decades to keep the money rolling in.

The PR continued this year with Rachel Dumb-F*** Griffiths and her shit-stain of a movie 'Ride Like a Girl', partly financed and heavily promoted by Racing Victoria, released just in time for school-holidays and the Spring Carnival. A family feel-good film, unless ofcourse, your family has slow or old relatives being tortured and slaughtered.

Oh, don't forget, gamble responsibly.

 

[Cuzz09]

it's all about the money - that's all it's about - nothing else.

Describing literally every industry on Earth.


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[Lebbo73]

Gotta love all the recent articles and interviews with 'horse racing identities' who are suddenly shocked and dismayed at the thousands of horses tortured and killed thanks to their love of the 'sport'.

Even Bruce McAvaney felt ashamed at it all - someone who's spent his life in the industry - confessing he didn't know what went on.

Sorry Bruce - you're full of shit. Or you're a dumb f***. Let's make a bet - 2-3 odds on, it's both.

Racing Australia’s chief executive Barry Dumb-F*** O'Farrell also said he’s 'appalled' but remained 'reasonably confident' in Racing Australia’s official data which shows just 34 horses annually end up at slaughterhouses. The ABC reported over 200 a week, Barry. What a prick.

The trainer of Winx gave an interview saying it was all wrong - 'we love our horses.' He didn't seem to give a shit about Bareul Jeong, brother of Winx, who wasn't as fast as his sister, so was shipped off to South Korea - where hundreds of other Aussie horses go - to be tortured and killed.

An industry full of scum and sanctimonious arse-wipes too ashamed to admit it's all about the money - that's all it's about - nothing else.

Those who go along for the fun, the fashions and 'colour' are just the usual numb-nuts too thick to see through the PR bullshit the industry has spent tens of millions of dollars on over the decades to keep the money rolling in.

The PR continued this year with Rachel Dumb-F*** Griffiths and her shit-stain of a movie 'Ride Like a Girl', partly financed and heavily promoted by Racing Victoria, released just in time for school-holidays and the Spring Carnival. A family feel-good film, unless ofcourse, your family has slow or old relatives being tortured and slaughtered.

Oh, don't forget, gamble responsibly.

Nice melt. See you next year when the Spring Carnival is in full flight.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The PR continued this year with Rachel Dumb-F*** Griffiths and her shit-stain of a movie 'Ride Like a Girl', partly financed and heavily promoted by Racing Victoria, released just in time for school-holidays and the Spring Carnival. A family feel-good film, unless ofcourse, your family has slow or old relatives being tortured and slaughtered.

Hey hey hey, you'll upset the feminists.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Another way of looking at it is that without racing, punters would squander their money elsewhere, perhaps illegally, whereas the industry returns millions each year to the public purse through gambling taxes.

It is also a major employer and the third-biggest spectator sport in the country. That's a lot to dismiss with the stroke of a pen because someone found a certain undercover report to be distasteful.

Racing works.

Distateful really?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Distateful really?

Haven't seen it myself. Substitute your own word.

 

[Bombermania]

Another way of looking at it is that without racing, punters would squander their money elsewhere, perhaps illegally, whereas the industry returns millions each year to the public purse through gambling taxes.

It is also a major employer and the third-biggest spectator sport in the country. That's a lot to dismiss with the stroke of a pen because someone found a certain undercover report to be distasteful.

Racing works.

Just as **** fighting was once a major sport in many western countries.

Punters would probably be better off if they had put all their money on Richmond for the 2019 flag and Dusty for the 2019 Norm Smith instead of trying to pick winners in some race held in a place they had never heard off.

Horse racing as a sport is one thing and how the horses are being managed is another.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Just as **** fighting was once a major sport in many western countries.

Punters would probably be better off if they had put all their money on Richmond for the 2019 flag and Dusty for the 2019 Norm Smith instead of trying to pick winners in some race held in a place they had never heard off.

Horse racing as a sport is one thing and how the horses are being managed is another.

Just replying to a suggestion that racing should be dispensed with because it's not necessary.

Weir and McLean have been sent up on cruelty charges. It's not like the industry turns a blind eye within its circle of influence.

 

[Bombermania]

Just replying to a suggestion that racing should be dispensed with because it's not necessary.

Weir and McLean have been sent up on cruelty charges. It's not like the industry turns a blind eye within its circle of influence.

I knew that but after Rance went down with his season ending injury, the odds on the Tigers winning the premiership would have blown out.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I knew that but after Rance went down with his season ending injury, the odds on the Tigers winning the premiership would have blown out.

There are plenty of people who bet on other sports and not racing, and vice versa. Each to their own.

Back in the day they used to have greyhound racing at North Melbourne with monkeys as jockeys. Wouldn't get to the starting post today!