Hot Pies - the new premiership favourites? *MB Thread*

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Re: Hot Pies - the new premiership favourites?

Nah, rubbish knee-jerk thread is at home at the Bay. Saints lose one game and no longer favourites? LOL.

They are no longer the form team. IMO they are no longer outright favorites.

 

[Fadge]

Re: Hot Pies - the new premiership favourites?

Collingwood will be lucky to win a single final this year.

I'd suggest we have more chance than Hawthorn.

 

[wer2big4qld]

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i hope the pies make it to the G.F !!!!!! my employer has taken $600 of me this year . i will get it back on the G.F .......... pies always choke on the big day out

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

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Why don't you donate it to your club instead? I here they need all the money they can get.

 

[Team Chemistry]

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Dogs have better chances than Collingwood.

Fail.
Two losses to WCE in the same year; I don't think it's possible to win a premiership after that (when WCE are in this stage of their development etc.)
A good few of your mates dropped off the wagon after last week, sadly you have decided to hop back on.
Saints are clear favourite, Geelong second and sliding, Collingwood clear thrid.
No one else deserves mention.

TC

 

[Danger Mouse]

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FFS, when you guys brought up the fact that St Kilda might struggle on the MCG, I mentioned they won at AAMI and Subiaco because of the ground size not who they played against.

Bigfooty is filled mainly with bogans, children and journalists who fit both those categories.

The people who can grasp simple concepts are few and far between.

 

[Torchy]

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Pies are nowhere near the cats or the saints.

ummm, yeah ok....

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Re: Hot Pies - the new premiership favourites?

Pity the ladder isn't based around a supporter's selective choice of rounds then, aye?

Here's my go:

Sydney: 2-2 (1 point to the Saints, 5 points to the Cats)

OMG GAIZ! SWANS ARE LIKE, THE BIGGEST PREMIERSHIP CHANCE! WE'VE LIKE, ALMOST BEATEN THE CATS AND SAINTS HU R LIKE RELLY RELLY GOOD!

If you look at our last month, we've had an average winning margin of 36.5, massive percentage of 123%, and run the two other measly challengers to the wire.

Why we aren't favourites for the premiership I dunno.

Oh, derr, wait, we lost to clubs like Freo, Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane and those shit-packers Collingwood earlier in the season.

I agree, you nearly beat them, we beat you. Therefore we are premiership favourites lol. In all seriousness, anyone of the top four teams can beat anyone of the other top four teams on their day so lets just wait and see what happens.

 

[Steve7920]

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Collingwood still have to play against Sydney and Western Bulldogs before finals, big chance for injuries to occur in those two very tough games.

Geelong versus Bulldogs being another tough game, Freo should be a walk in the park for them unless Freo pull something outta their ass again.

StKilda have North Melbourne and Melbourne to practise some rotations and strats on whilst strolling into the finals.


Western Bulldogs to play two very tough games with Collingwood and Geelong, and if they still finish 4th spot they'll be fatigued and/or injured come first finals game against StKilda.

Yeah. I'm feeling quite confident.

 

[KissStephanie]

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Collingwood will be lucky to win a single final this year.

Maybe Collingwood will get lucky three times this September then!

FFS, when you guys brought up the fact that St Kilda might struggle on the MCG, I mentioned they won at AAMI and Subiaco because of the ground size not who they played against.

Firstly, I think the opposition they played is a pretty important point. You don't? Secondly, how is AAMI Stadium and Subiaco comparable to the M.C.G? Both of those grounds are closer in dimensions to Docklands than they are to the M.C.G. The only ground that is sort of similar in size is the Gabba, but St,Kilda haven't played there this season either.

I think the biggest potential issue that faces St.Kilda on the M.C.G in the finals against a good team are the conditions of the ground. The swirly wind at times, and the dew in night matches is something that Collingwood has a lot of experience with while St.Kilda is far more accustomed to the perfect indoor conditions of Docklands.

Collingwood still have to play against Sydney and Western Bulldogs before finals, big chance for injuries to occur in those two very tough games.

Injuries can happen to any team, even at training, and St.Kilda has two more matches as well where that could occur. Are you afraid to play a full strength Collingwood in the finals? If you weren't afraid, then injuries wouldn't have even entered your mind.

Hopefully all teams get through the final two matches without injuries, and if the favourites win on the weekend, then Collingwood has sealed third spot and the final match against Western Bulldogs won't have any meaning for Collingwood. Maybe a couple of players will be rested in that match if that is the case.

StKilda have North Melbourne and Melbourne to practise some rotations and strats on whilst strolling into the finals.

The worst possible finals preparation in my opinion is against teams that have nothing to play for. In my opinion, most coaches would prefer to have challenging matches leading in to the finals.

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

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Collingwood cant be premiership favourites. They could knock the top teams off in the finals, but so could the doggies, and even Brisbane and Adelaide on their day. And any other team in the finals.

 

[EagleMan87]

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Firstly, I think the opposition they played is a pretty important point. You don't? Secondly, how is AAMI Stadium and Subiaco comparable to the M.C.G? Both of those grounds are closer in dimensions to Docklands than they are to the M.C.G. The only ground that is sort of similar in size is the Gabba, but St,Kilda haven't played there this season either.

lolwut?

Subi is bigger than the MCG, and is absolutely nothing like Etihad Stadium.

 

[AG]

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Maybe Collingwood will get lucky three times this September then!
Firstly, I think the opposition they played is a pretty important point. You don't? Secondly, how is AAMI Stadium and Subiaco comparable to the M.C.G? Both of those grounds are closer in dimensions to Docklands than they are to the M.C.G. The only ground that is sort of similar in size is the Gabba, but St,Kilda haven't played there this season either.

What?? You said St Kilda would struggle at the MCG because of the size of the ground. All I'm arguing is that Subiaco and AAMI are large grounds. Forget who they play against, if they can apply their gameplan/style to a larger oval they will be fine on the G. Why would the opposition matter, they have beaten everyone in the comp?

 

[Falchoon]

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The size and the shape of the ground is different, and the surface and the weather conditions are also completely different to the perfect indoor conditions of Docklands. St.Kilda has played a few matches away from their indoor stadium, but none at the M.C.G, and there is no doubt in my mind that is a huge disadvantage. Collingwood has played 13 matches there so far this season.

Collingwood have been playing big games at the MCG for years, and they still keep losing finals against teams that don't play there much.

I judge teams performances over a two year period, and not just one season. I find that more of an accurate guide, so in that case Collingwood has beaten both Geelong and St.Kilda.

cough

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2008/041520080913.html

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

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I judge teams performances over a two year period, and not just one season. I find that more of an accurate guide, so in that case Collingwood has beaten both Geelong and St.Kilda.

Over that time Geelong have beaten everyone - therefore must be favourites.

I love how uppity and excited the Pies supporters get when their team strings together a few wins

 

[absfab]

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I love how uppity and excited the Pies supporters get when their team strings together a few wins

It's one of those things which can provide a lifetime of viewing pleasure, isn't it.

 

[anubis]

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Over that time Geelong have beaten everyone - therefore must be favourites.

I love how uppity and excited the Pies supporters get when their team strings together a few wins

Sounds like Geelongs fans of last year.And i think Geelong should be favourites.

 

[KissStephanie]

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lolwut?

Which language is that?

Subi is bigger than the MCG, and is absolutely nothing like Etihad Stadium.

Subiaco is longer than the M.C.G, but it is not wider. The shape of Subiaco is absolutely closer to Docklands, even though it is longer than both. Subiaco is 175 metres x 122 metres. Docklands is 159 metres x 128 metres. The M.C.G is 160 metres x 143 metres and closer to a circle, so therefore Subiaco is closer to Docklands than it is to the M.C.G. Just as I said the first time.

What?? You said St Kilda would struggle at the MCG because of the size of the ground.

I have not said at any stage that St.Kilda will struggle ay the M.C.G in September because nobody knows for sure. It is my opinion though that St.Kilda are at a huge disadvantage if they play Collingwood at the M.C.G in the finals for all of the reasons that I have previously stated, and not just the size of the ground, although it is unlike any ground dimensions that St.Kilda has played on this season.

All I'm arguing is that Subiaco and AAMI are large grounds.

Both of those two grounds are not like the M.C.G. The dimensions of Subiaco are 175 metres x 122 metres. AAMI Stadium is 165 metres x 132 metres. Docklands dimensions are 159 metres x 128 metres. The M.C.G is much wider than those three grounds though as it is 160 metres x 143 metres.

Forget who they play against

Ha ha ha ha! I'm not going to forget that of course! West Coast were struggling at the time, and it was their 8th loss in 9 matches.

if they can apply their gameplan/style to a larger oval they will be fine on the G.

I believe that Collingwood can beat St.Kilda at the M.C.G. They have played 13 matches there and they are very accustomed to the ground size, the surface, and the weather conditions. St.Kilda are a team that plays well on an narrow indoor stadium in perfect weather conditions because there isn't any wind, rain or dew there of course. They have not shown if they can perform on the far different dimensions and conditions of the M.C.G, and they have not played on a ground that is close to those dimensions this season.

Why would the opposition matter, they have beaten everyone in the comp?

Of course the opposition matters. It's like saying that St.Kilda's game plan worked at Carrara on the Gold Coast because they beat Melbourne by 37 points there in Round 10.

Collingwood have been playing big games at the MCG for years, and they still keep losing finals against teams that don't play there much.

The M.C.G has been Collingwood's home ground since 2000. Since then, Collingwood has won more finals on the M.C.G than St.Kilda has.

cough

Do you have the H1N1 virus? I hope you cover your mouth when you cough! Collingwood has beaten Geelong and St.Kilda at both Etihad Stadium and at the M.C.G in the past two seasons, just as I had said.

Many St.Kilda supporters like to mention last years semi final though for some reason, but Collingwood had six more scoring shots and more inside-50's that night, while Alan Didak and Heath Shaw were sitting in the coaches box serving club suspensions. The previous week Collingwood were the youngest team to win a final since Brisbane in 2000, so it was a great effort just to get that far.

 

[AG]

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Collingwood will beat St Kilda because there is an extra 7.5m of width on each wing. Saints will have no idea how to play.

 

[AG]

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It hasn't been Collingwood's home ground for the past 20 years.

The M.C.G has been Collingwood's home ground since 2000.

Which one is it?

 

[Steve7920]

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The conditions and dimensions of the MCG are just crap arguments to be made by people trying to think of anything they can to say why the saints won't make it.

So far its;
Geelong - have lost their form and are on the downhill such as Essendon 8 years ago.
StKilda - Stadium dimensions/conditions
Collingwood - Colliwobbles
Bulldogs - No tall forwards

etc

Doesn't look like there's gonna be a GF this year folks, everyone sucks

 

[krusden]

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Many St.Kilda supporters like to mention last years semi final though for some reason, but Collingwood had six more scoring shots and more inside-50's that night, while Alan Didak and Heath Shaw were sitting in the coaches box serving club suspensions.

... odds on thats where they will be this year too . ha ha

 

[Pumbi]

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The M.C.G has been Collingwood's home ground since 2000. Since then, Collingwood has won more finals on the M.C.G than St.Kilda has.

Collingwood has beaten Geelong and St.Kilda at both Etihad Stadium and at the M.C.G in the past two seasons, just as I had said.

Many St.Kilda supporters like to mention last years semi final though for some reason, but Collingwood had six more scoring shots and more inside-50's that night, while Alan Didak and Heath Shaw were sitting in the coaches box serving club suspensions. The previous week Collingwood were the youngest team to win a final since Brisbane in 2000, so it was a great effort just to get that far.

This is some great manipulation of the facts.

St Kilda has beaten Collingwood at both Etihad Stadium and at the MCG in the past two seasons. Does that balance your point? Or does Collingwood win that argument too, because the poor Pies were inefficient in a semi-final.

 

[AG]

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You're on my ignore list now so I won't be reading any more of your posts.

That's a shame because I was going to ask you out for dinner in my next post.

 

[KissStephanie]

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They are no longer the form team. IMO they are no longer outright favorites.

The latest odds have tightened up a lot. According to SportingBet, St.Kilda is now out to $2.50 for the premiership. Geelong is $3.00. Collingwood has come in to $4.75 now. Collingwood would probably be shorter except that it has not yet been determined if they will finish 3rd or 4th.

Over that time Geelong have beaten everyone - therefore must be favourites.

They have and they certainly deserve to be second favourites at least. I've not disputed that. I think the current odds are fair for the time being.

I love how uppity and excited the Pies supporters get when their team strings together a few wins

I think Collingwood's membership numbers and crowd totals have shown that Collingwood supporters are the most loyal at all times, and not just when they've strung a few wins together. I felt that Collingwood were still capable of winning the premiership after Round 8 when we were 3 wins and 5 losses after the horror back-to-back losses to St.Kilda and Carlton when the entire forward line was missing through injury.

Collingwood will beat St Kilda because there is an extra 7.5m of width on each wing. Saints will have no idea how to play.

You're on my ignore list now so I won't be reading any more of your posts. You have been wrong on a number of points, but you have no intention of reading all that I have written.

Instead you've decided to patronise me over one point, even though that 15 metres difference is quite significant indeed. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone that is going to do that.

St Kilda has beaten Collingwood at both Etihad Stadium and at the MCG in the past two seasons. Does that balance your point? Or does Collingwood win that argument too, because the poor Pies were inefficient in a semi-final.

Of course it balances my point. There is no doubt that St.Kilda are capable of beating Collingwood. My point is simply that Collingwood is also capable of beating St.Kilda.