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How long will the players go along with the Essendon hierachy

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BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!! said:
See that's ****n bullshit the players told everything they could possibly know to Asada when they had their interviews,you then have Mcnuggets come on radio offering players to come forward so so their bans can get reduced imo that would of pissed of the players he's basicly calling them liars and they didn't tell the whole truth during their interviews.
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Calm down.

Two things. First, when questioned by Whately, McDevitt said that players saying what they were thought to have said in their interviews (not sure, don't know) could count as co-operation. He did not say they need to lie or guess or add anything or shop anyone else to ASADA or the ADVRP to be eligible for that discount.

Second, all I have heard him say anywhere is that discounts on the standard two years may be available if players co-operate AND are found not to have been responsible, with follow up comments that make it sound like he's keen to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So from all I can tell, he has tried to bypass the Essendon monopoly on informing players to make sure they understand that they may well be eligible for discounts that take their bans down to six months, by doing nothing more than going along with the process. There is no overt or veiled demand that they say or do any more than that. If anyone else has seen or heard one, it would be good to know.
 

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I would think it possible that McD knows that some players are not giving them the full story. Perhaps there is ACC evidence that shows players know more than they have let on in their interviews.

It may not be evidence that ASADA can use directly, and it may not be evidence that shows the player are complicit. It could be evidence that sheds greater light on admin and support staff, or supply chain members, and their involvement.

So McD reminds players that reduced bans are likely for info such as described above. It may not have anything to do with what they were injected with.

Perhaps it's a possibility?
 
Hearts to hearts said:
Calm down.

Two things. First, when questioned by Whately, McDevitt said that players saying what they were thought to have said in their interviews (not sure, don't know) could count as co-operation. He did not say they need to lie or guess or add anything or shop anyone else to ASADA or the ADVRP to be eligible for that discount.

Second, all I have heard him say anywhere is that discounts on the standard two years may be available if players co-operate AND are found not to have been responsible, with follow up comments that make it sound like he's keen to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So from all I can tell, he has tried to bypass the Essendon monopoly on informing players to make sure they understand that they may well be eligible for discounts that take their bans down to six months, by doing nothing more than going along with the process. There is no overt or veiled demand that they say or do any more than that. If anyone else has seen or heard one, it would be good to know.
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*sigh* don't know what to think any more.
 
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CharacterFirst said:
I would think it possible that McD knows that some players are not giving them the full story. Perhaps there is ACC evidence that shows players know more than they have let on in their interviews.

It may not be evidence that ASADA can use directly, and it may not be evidence that shows the player are complicit. It could be evidence that sheds greater light on admin and support staff, or supply chain members, and their involvement.

So McD reminds players that reduced bans are likely for info such as described above. It may not have anything to do with what they were injected with.

Perhaps it's a possibility?
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If that's the case then it should be the clubs coaching and admin staff that should cop bans not the players,all the players were doing was following club protocols like what every player in the league does.
 
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!! said:
If that's the case then it should be the clubs coaching and admin staff that should cop bans not the players,all the players were doing was following club protocols like what every player in the league does.
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Nah. If they took them, they have got to go.

Besides, my scenario didn't rule out the possibility that the players are partly complicit.
 
I am more inclined to think that the players both current and ex are more likely to march lock step with EFC right up to the moment that infractions are handed down. Until then, if they can somehow winkle their way through it all, apart from a few sleepless nights there is no harm done.

We as a society don't have a great track record for supporting whistle blowers or those who report on their mates - in fact they tend to end up getting pretty ferociously burnt one way or another. Blackcat has linked the case of the track athlete who spilled the beans prior to the 2000 olympic. Didn't end well for him at all.

Given how strong the culture of loyalty (sacrificing yourself for the club etc etc) is within the football world I don't think any person would lightly go down the path of providing substantial assistance - which in ASADA world means telling them everything that you know to the finest of detail. They would probably have to walk away from all involvement in football for the rest of their lives.

Much, much safer to wait for whatever happens to happen and then join a group action against EFC if one can be mounted.
 
When will the point be reached when the playing group is seen as complicit in the club sanctioned court case against ASADA and completely burn their bridge to the 6 months option?

Dangerous game they are playing, worse than double or nothing.

Maybe they might think that if they cop the two year ban then they can sue the club?

Bit speculative. Would think players want to play.

If they stick with the club they are praying for the hail mary on long odds.
 
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!! said:
If that's the case then it should be the clubs coaching and admin staff that should cop bans not the players,all the players were doing was following club protocols like what every player in the league does.
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The club protocols at the other clubs are that the player is ultimately responsible for what the club are providing to them, as per the AFL policies. By the way at the Adelaide Football club there is a Science and Medicine committee that meets regularly with minutes/notes etc to discuss what is going on at the club and the information forwarded to the head of the footy department. So, no, Essendon were not following the protocols that other clubs have in place. If they were then they would know EXACTLY what was provided to the players and this matter would have been cleared up very early on.

The players are at fault as per the guidelines they signed up to and were regularly educated about from the AFL and the players association about their own responsibility. I am sure that Essendon club officials will have their own series of Show Cause notices at a later date and some serious questions to answer.
 

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FootyGeek said:
When will the point be reached when the playing group is seen as complicit in the club sanctioned court case against ASADA and completely burn their bridge to the 6 months option?

Dangerous game they are playing, worse than double or nothing.

Maybe they might think that if they cop the two year ban then they can sue the club?

Bit speculative. Would think players want to play.

If they stick with the club they are praying for the hail mary on long odds.
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As I said earlier its certainly influencing any sympathy they will receive outside the club. But I understand why they are...its just not the right decision if it went down like they claim.
 
FootyGeek said:
When will the point be reached when the playing group is seen as complicit in the club sanctioned court case against ASADA and completely burn their bridge to the 6 months option?
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The only other option if they don't get 6 months is to get nothing at all

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You have to wonder why Stephen Dank has not been issued with a disclosure notice and if he has then why have the penalties for non-disclosure(up to $5100 per day) not been applied.
 
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!! said:
If that's the case then it should be the clubs coaching and admin staff that should cop bans not the players,all the players were doing was following club protocols like what every player in the league does.
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How come you don't understand this simple rule?

The Athlete is wholly responsible for what goes into their body

Surely its not that difficult?
 
topgossip said:
You have to wonder why Stephen Dank has not been issued with a disclosure notice and if he has then why have the penalties for non-disclosure(up to $5100 per day) not been applied.
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This has been covered...ASADA requested Dank's presence, he turned them down and then supplied an sworn statement that he has no records.

What more do you want ASADA to do? Get out the pliers and rusty hacksaw?
 
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Sounds good to me. :p
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Might be the only way!

Do you think if Dank did a tell-all Oprah style (and denied any PEDs) it would change anything? I don't think it would, I think we're past that, I think ASADA believe they have a case and would continue anyway...

The only way I think Dank could put an end to this is by producing verifiable records of what was administered and really, if he has them (and they exonerate the Bombers) why wouldn't he just produce them?
 
Chameleon75 said:
I know I'm jaded, but I'm not buying the innocent lamb defence.
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I suspect that most of the players (especially the older ones) knew they were pushing the lines at best and a few of the smarter ones didn't really want to know more.
 
Sydney Bloods said:
Time to come clean is before the first court case.

Basically players have to choose now, if the case is thrown out ASADA will come hard.

People are dreaming if they think players will fight this until the end of the year and then put their hand up and say yeap I admit guilt and consider me serving a self ban.

You don't tie up an investigation with legal fees and waste time for trying to avoiding missing games, the risk is too great if players did this then ASADA could use it as proof of systematic doping (they need 4 players) that would be 4 years out each and the team gone for 2 years.

They either take the honey now or stick with it for the long haul. And hope they can get away with retro active bans, because you thought you "did nothing wrong" blatant time wasting could result in a massive bitch slap.
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Littles attitude in public is not going to do the clubs chances much good eh Syd ... the club going for the high jump has to be a real chance the way things are looking, bloody well said there Syd !! All the spotlight on the 34 players when the club faces a ban in its entirety.
 

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