How many chances does Finch get???

[western royboy]

Voges for tests?

Not in my lifetime - congrats to him for getting a ODI hundred but there are six blokes overseas at the minute and Voges was in form and cashed in when given a chance in a meaningless game - well done to him.

Finch - is not up to international standard - he will dominate domestic short form - but realistically he will be lucky to play Sheffield Shield for the Vics when everyone is available. When he doesn't have to think he's at this best, as soon as he has to engage the grey matter - that's it.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I think that top 7 that was posted earlier is the go - watson, warner, hughes, clarke, bailey, wade, maxwell

after yesterday voges first in line, khawaja after him, and finsh third. hughes, khawaja, finch next in line for an opening spot.

anyone overlooked?

EDIT: Sean marsh probably thereabouts somewhere as well. ferguson is unlucky not have earnt a recall in the short form. he was doing very well for oz before injury. its a long time ago now. i haven't followed his domestic short form too closely to be honest.

Ferguson is unlucky I agree. He plays like Voges, kind of busy and neat looking.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Voges is the kind of man we need right now heading to India and England. He's experienced, a good player of spin and aware of his own game. I think Dave Hussey is in the same mould. He can also bowl spin of much greater quaility than Maxwell. And, dare I say it, Haddin. When compared to Wade anyway. Haddin's glovework is superior to Wade, which I dont think has shown any remarkable improvement. Haddin knows his game. Wade is all over the shop with his batting. People forget that during his ton in Sydney he was dropped three times. And the ton in the Carribean he was lucky to not be out first ball. Look at all our recent batting collapses and Wade is in the middle of most of them. No rearguard from him at all.

Kawajha is too raw and inexperienced and Hughes doesnt have the technique to thrive over there, yet. Down the track potentially, but not at the moment. There is always the view of playing thse guys in India for experience and counting India as just another series 'to get ready for the Ashes', but if we want to be serious about becoming number 1 in the world they dont make our best possible 11 at the moment I dont believe if they play together. India is probably the hardest place to bat. I watched Pieterson and Cook over there recently - sersiously was some of the best batting I've seen, and that was just enough for them to scrape through the series with a win, along with Jimmy Anderson's mastery.

As for Maxwell, seriously, who's knob has he sucked.

Shaun Marsh when he is on song I believe is the second best batsmen in the country. Thats when everything is going well in his head. He thrived in Sri Lanka on the turning low pitches. Probably not a popular opinion, but I think he is the man who should be coming in at number 3. I know he is having a poor season in the Shield, but his technique is impeccable. And he has experience in England and India. I remember him making at least one hundred for Australia over there in an ODI, as well as several IPL and county seasons.

I know the selectors are big on playing players who are in form domestically and fair enough. But playing against state quality bowlers on firm Australian pitches in conditions not condusive to swing against up and down bowling is a lot different to facing masters like Jimmy Anderson and Graeme Swann, or bowling that spins around corners in the sub-continent. Experience and knowledge of conditions has surely got to count for something. Sending batsmen over a week eariler wont make up for that I dont think.

My Test XI:

Watson, Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Voges, D Hussey, Haddin, Johnson, Pattinson, Starc, Lyon

Doherty as the second spin option, and Bird as the unlucky seamer only cos of his lack of experience.

 

[Patron]

Voges is the kind of man we need right now heading to India and England. He's experienced, a good player of spin and aware of his own game. I think Dave Hussey is in the same mould. He can also bowl spin of much greater quaility than Maxwell. And, dare I say it, Haddin. When compared to Wade anyway. Haddin's glovework is superior to Wade, which I dont think has shown any remarkable improvement. Haddin knows his game. Wade is all over the shop with his batting. People forget that during his ton in Sydney he was dropped three times. And the ton in the Carribean he was lucky to not be out first ball. Look at all our recent batting collapses and Wade is in the middle of most of them. No rearguard from him at all.

Kawajha is too raw and inexperienced and Hughes doesnt have the technique to thrive over there, yet. Down the track potentially, but not at the moment. There is always the view of playing thse guys in India for experience and counting India as just another series 'to get ready for the Ashes', but if we want to be serious about becoming number 1 in the world they dont make our best possible 11 at the moment I dont believe if they play together. India is probably the hardest place to bat. I watched Pieterson and Cook over there recently - sersiously was some of the best batting I've seen, and that was just enough for them to scrape through the series with a win, along with Jimmy Anderson's mastery.

As for Maxwell, seriously, who's knob has he sucked.

Shaun Marsh when he is on song I believe is the second best batsmen in the country. Thats when everything is going well in his head. He thrived in Sri Lanka on the turning low pitches. Probably not a popular opinion, but I think he is the man who should be coming in at number 3. I know he is having a poor season in the Shield, but his technique is impeccable. And he has experience in England and India. I remember him making at least one hundred for Australia over there in an ODI, as well as several IPL and county seasons.

I know the selectors are big on playing players who are in form domestically and fair enough. But playing against state quality bowlers on firm Australian pitches in conditions not condusive to swing against up and down bowling is a lot different to facing masters like Jimmy Anderson and Graeme Swann, or bowling that spins around corners in the sub-continent. Experience and knowledge of conditions has surely got to count for something. Sending batsmen over a week eariler wont make up for that I dont think.

My Test XI:

Watson, Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Voges, D Hussey, Haddin, Johnson, Pattinson, Starc, Lyon

Doherty as the second spin option, and Bird as the unlucky seamer only cos of his lack of experience.

This is not a bad post. Its actually a pretty good one and you raised some valid points that i for one agree with. But no siddle?

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

This is not a bad post. Its actually a pretty good one and you raised some valid points that i for one agree with. But no siddle?

Sh*t how did I forget! Siddle for Johnson I reckon.

 

[Hellgood]

Voges is the kind of man we need right now heading to India and England. He's experienced, a good player of spin and aware of his own game. I think Dave Hussey is in the same mould. He can also bowl spin of much greater quaility than Maxwell. And, dare I say it, Haddin. When compared to Wade anyway. Haddin's glovework is superior to Wade, which I dont think has shown any remarkable improvement. Haddin knows his game. Wade is all over the shop with his batting. People forget that during his ton in Sydney he was dropped three times. And the ton in the Carribean he was lucky to not be out first ball. Look at all our recent batting collapses and Wade is in the middle of most of them. No rearguard from him at all.

Kawajha is too raw and inexperienced and Hughes doesnt have the technique to thrive over there, yet. Down the track potentially, but not at the moment. There is always the view of playing thse guys in India for experience and counting India as just another series 'to get ready for the Ashes', but if we want to be serious about becoming number 1 in the world they dont make our best possible 11 at the moment I dont believe if they play together. India is probably the hardest place to bat. I watched Pieterson and Cook over there recently - sersiously was some of the best batting I've seen, and that was just enough for them to scrape through the series with a win, along with Jimmy Anderson's mastery.

As for Maxwell, seriously, who's knob has he sucked.

Shaun Marsh when he is on song I believe is the second best batsmen in the country. Thats when everything is going well in his head. He thrived in Sri Lanka on the turning low pitches. Probably not a popular opinion, but I think he is the man who should be coming in at number 3. I know he is having a poor season in the Shield, but his technique is impeccable. And he has experience in England and India. I remember him making at least one hundred for Australia over there in an ODI, as well as several IPL and county seasons.

I know the selectors are big on playing players who are in form domestically and fair enough. But playing against state quality bowlers on firm Australian pitches in conditions not condusive to swing against up and down bowling is a lot different to facing masters like Jimmy Anderson and Graeme Swann, or bowling that spins around corners in the sub-continent. Experience and knowledge of conditions has surely got to count for something. Sending batsmen over a week eariler wont make up for that I dont think.

My Test XI:

Watson, Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Voges, D Hussey, Haddin, Johnson, Pattinson, Starc, Lyon

Doherty as the second spin option, and Bird as the unlucky seamer only cos of his lack of experience.

Also agree that Marsh is hugely talented and should be thereabouts, but I reckon Hughes has done a pretty good job at three this summer and even if it was against a fairly slow Sri Lankan attack he deserves to be the incumbent until he shows otherwise.

 

[BarneyBent]

Voges is the kind of man we need right now heading to India and England. He's experienced, a good player of spin and aware of his own game. I think Dave Hussey is in the same mould. He can also bowl spin of much greater quaility than Maxwell. And, dare I say it, Haddin. When compared to Wade anyway. Haddin's glovework is superior to Wade, which I dont think has shown any remarkable improvement. Haddin knows his game. Wade is all over the shop with his batting. People forget that during his ton in Sydney he was dropped three times. And the ton in the Carribean he was lucky to not be out first ball. Look at all our recent batting collapses and Wade is in the middle of most of them. No rearguard from him at all.

Kawajha is too raw and inexperienced and Hughes doesnt have the technique to thrive over there, yet. Down the track potentially, but not at the moment. There is always the view of playing thse guys in India for experience and counting India as just another series 'to get ready for the Ashes', but if we want to be serious about becoming number 1 in the world they dont make our best possible 11 at the moment I dont believe if they play together. India is probably the hardest place to bat. I watched Pieterson and Cook over there recently - sersiously was some of the best batting I've seen, and that was just enough for them to scrape through the series with a win, along with Jimmy Anderson's mastery.

As for Maxwell, seriously, who's knob has he sucked.

Shaun Marsh when he is on song I believe is the second best batsmen in the country. Thats when everything is going well in his head. He thrived in Sri Lanka on the turning low pitches. Probably not a popular opinion, but I think he is the man who should be coming in at number 3. I know he is having a poor season in the Shield, but his technique is impeccable. And he has experience in England and India. I remember him making at least one hundred for Australia over there in an ODI, as well as several IPL and county seasons.

I know the selectors are big on playing players who are in form domestically and fair enough. But playing against state quality bowlers on firm Australian pitches in conditions not condusive to swing against up and down bowling is a lot different to facing masters like Jimmy Anderson and Graeme Swann, or bowling that spins around corners in the sub-continent. Experience and knowledge of conditions has surely got to count for something. Sending batsmen over a week eariler wont make up for that I dont think.

My Test XI:

Watson, Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Voges, D Hussey, Haddin, Johnson, Pattinson, Starc, Lyon

Doherty as the second spin option, and Bird as the unlucky seamer only cos of his lack of experience.

Hughes should thrive in India. His technique is unorthodox, but he's comfortable with it, and it allows him to play very, very late to spinners. On slow, dusty decks, it will give him more time to adjust to variations in spin and a constant source of runs between cover and backward point, even if he's just bunting it through there for a single. I'm backing him to be our most successful batsman over there.

As for Voges, his last innings aside, he, like Finch, has never been international standard. As nice as it was to see, one great innings against a demoralised and inconsistent bowling attack (featuring none other than Tino Best) does little to change that.

I kinda agree about Khawaja. He's also useless against spin, which doesn't help in India. If he plays in India, it needs to be as an opener so he can at least get his eye in against the seamers on a flat track. That won't happen unless there are injuries to at least two of Watson, Warner and Cowan (and maybe Hughes), so it's unlikely.

I do think we should have given Duss a trial in India, but oh well.

 

[Kram]

As for Voges, his last innings aside, he, like Finch, has never been international standard. As nice as it was to see, one great innings against a demoralised and inconsistent bowling attack (featuring none other than Tino Best) does little to change that.

He was 80 not out in the last ODI he played and averaged 40+ before Sundays game, hardly comparable to Finch..

 

[gbatman]

He's not an opener, can not face a moving or bouncing ball. Needs to be dropped down the order or out of the team.

 

[Kram]

Out of the team sounds good.

 

[BarneyBent]

He was 80 not out in the last ODI he played and averaged 40+ before Sundays game, hardly comparable to Finch..

Shit, you're right. I'd never noticed what a good record Voges has accumulated over his career. He's always looked kinda ordinary, but ****...

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Voges has to be the most underrated player in recent history, noone really cares for him...

 

[mediumsizered]

Wade is all over the shop with his batting. People forget that during his ton in Sydney he was dropped three times. And the ton in the Carribean he was lucky to not be out first ball. Look at all our recent batting collapses and Wade is in the middle of most of them. No rearguard from him at all.

Wade's century against the West Indies was made after coming to the wicket at 5-157.
His 68 against South Africa was made after coming to the wicket at 6-45.
His most recent century was made whilst batting exclusively with tailenders.

Perhaps you would prefer the type of rearguard effort Haddin displayed when coming to the wicket at 4-13 against South Africa & playing a disgraceful shot to get out for 0, leaving Australia at 6-18 & ultimately bowled out for 47.

 

[King Elvis]

Voges has to be the most underrated player in recent history, noone really cares for him...

He looks like a nerd.

His stats are hard to argue with though, which I never realised until this thread

 

[Phone]

it's nice people are finally thinking about voges (i wanted voges to be in aus a game against nz and pointed out it made little sense to include klinger over him for the aus a series against england last year), but i can't help be worried why you guys are now thinking about him - one good innings.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Wade's century against the West Indies was made after coming to the wicket at 5-157.
His 68 against South Africa was made after coming to the wicket at 6-45.
His most recent century was made whilst batting exclusively with tailenders.

Perhaps you would prefer the type of rearguard effort Haddin displayed when coming to the wicket at 4-13 against South Africa & playing a disgraceful shot to get out for 0, leaving Australia at 6-18 & ultimately bowled out for 47.

I stand corrected. Still I feel more confident in Haddin than Wade over there.

I still can't understand why Dave Hussey has never played a test match. 12468 first class runs @ 53.28 with 41 hundreds.

Did he have a falling out with Michael Clarke? Like Katich? Rumour is that M Hussey did after he retired. He wanted to do quiet stuff the night of his last match just a beer in the changerooms and dinner. Clarke organised a boat tour but Huss didnt want a fuss and told them he wanted to be with his family that night, and didnt show up. Clarke did his nut.

 

[Phone]

It's because every time people start thinking about Dussey playing a test match, he receives short pitched bowling and everyone remembers why Dussey should not play a test match. See: SL OD series.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

It's because every time people start thinking about Dussey playing a test match, he receives short pitched bowling and everyone remembers why Dussey should not play a test match. See: SL OD series.

Surely you cant make over 12000 FC runs not being able to play short pitched bowling

 

[Phone]

sure you can. see brad hodge

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Brad Hodge: 6 Tests, 2 50's, 1 double hundred, average of 55.88. He was dropped cos they didnt like him....

 

[Phone]

uh oh...

 

[Selective Retention]

sure you can. see brad hodge

See also MG Bevan.

 

[Phone]

PJ Hughes on a smaller level too.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Back of the queue Finch. You have to start all over again.

 

[Phone]

unless he has another good T20 run?