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HerculesRockefeller said:
If we did cheat, which is seeming highly unlikely. We will get away with because we are just that good.

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A proposed deal between ASADA and Essendon whereby Bombers players would escape doping sanctions with zero penalty, while Cronulla players would be given a minimum six-month ban, was aborted following protests from lawyers acting for ASADA and Cronulla.

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ASADA cannot sanction anyone but merely make recommendations on penalty, said: ‘‘ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person.’’

YOu know your a quality troll/journalist when the last sentence of your article debunks everything that has come before it.

In closing, there was no deal you morons.
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Um, so are you saying the Bombers were not trying to minimise damage by discussing a deal? Pretty sure ASADA have already said penalties can be reduced if club / players dob in others etc. Just because ASADA has not offered a zero sanction deal doesn't mean deals haven't been discussed with Essendon.

It sounds like ASADA and Essendon were doing a deal that involved much lighter penalties than was being imposed against NRL players and Cronulla, thats what upset the ASADA legal reps, the NRL and Cronulla.

As for your first statement about not cheating, Essendon has already stated it actually doesn't know for sure what happened. Thats one of the problems and major issues here. The club employed sports science people under contract and they injected your player 50 times and your club doctors were excluded to the extent that the club isn't sure what went on.
 
whiteoak,
I also assume that since you believe so strongly in the presumption of innocence and due process :rolleyes: that you will now be defending Essendon, Dank and Cronulla to the death.

It's just very strange that considering the 100's of posts from you on the subject I have not seen one post from you actually defending anyone from Essendon.
 
Bloodstained Bomber said:
How about what ASADA say. Any honesty or integrity there or is it just the Rugby journos that are the pillars of honesty?
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I haven't seen anyone from ASADA state the AFL didn't try to broker a deal with them, read the article again.
 

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PieBeast said:
I haven't seen anyone from ASADA state the AFL didn't try to broker a deal with them, read the article again.
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I know what the article says and you're just splitting hairs.

ASADA say they haven't offered anyone a zero penalty and Masters states that it was proposed deal. Is the EXACT wording of anything written important or is the premise of what is said important?
 
Daytripper said:
whiteoak,
I also assume that since you believe so strongly in the presumption of innocence and due process :rolleyes: that you will now be defending Essendon, Dank and Cronulla to the death.

It's just very strange that considering the 100's of posts from you on the subject I have not seen one post from you actually defending anyone from Essendon.
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Again. Your words are cheap.

Back it up with something of relevance.

You've got a hard on for me, I realise that.

But it's because I won't accept you labelling everyone who holds a differing point of view to you as a conspiracy theorist.

It's an offensive and derogatory term in my opinion, and I will not personally accept it when I have posted nothing to even go close to your accusation.
 
Bloodstained Bomber said:
I know what the article says and you're just splitting hairs.

ASADA say they haven't offered anyone a zero penalty and Masters states that it was proposed deal. Is the EXACT wording of anything written important or is the premise of what is said important?
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Mother of Gawd.
ASADA didn't deny the AFL approaching them and seeking deals, they've only denied offering the players no penalty option. We're well within our rights to doubt anything that comes out of Vlad's mouth.
Couple of days ago he said he's getting a positive vibe about the Essendon's case now he says he doesn't even know what the findings will be.

Have a good Easter break everyone.
 
PieBeast said:
Mother of Gawd.
ASADA didn't deny the AFL approaching them and seeking deals, they've only denied offering the players no penalty option. We're well within our rights to doubt anything that comes out of Vlad's mouth.
Couple of days ago he said he's getting a positive vibe about the Essendon's case now he says he doesn't even know what the findings will be.

Have a good Easter break everyone.
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Mother of Gawd.

So now we have established that for you the importance is the EXACT wording of what is said. Duly noted and i'm very sure i will be reminding you about this at a later stage.

Happy Easter.
 
PieBeast said:
Mother of Gawd.
ASADA didn't deny the AFL approaching them and seeking deals, they've only denied offering the players no penalty option. We're well within our rights to doubt anything that comes out of Vlad's mouth.
Couple of days ago he said he's getting a positive vibe about the Essendon's case now he says he doesn't even know what the findings will be.

Have a good Easter break everyone.
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Doubt all you like but it makes perfect sense for AD to meet with ASADA in order to gain information about how to minimise damage. How this is then construed as a special deal is beyond me.

What's even more confusing is how any document describing a special deal between Essendon and ASADAs lawyer could be freely handed to another party.....that just doesn't add up.

I'd say the document, if in fact there was one, may have been a letter from ASADA to the AFL or Essendon giving them advice on how to best cooperate, and that cooperation was the clubs best chance of a lenient sentence.

Well, derrrr.... :rolleyes:
 
Daytripper said:
You have been all over Essendon since Day 1. Don't even pretend to deny it.

You have been trolling Essendon supporters since Day 1 who had the temerity to ask others to be mindful of the presumption of innocence.

Your lecturing about 'due process' on the Jurrah thread is simply laughable considering your involvement in all the Essendon ASADA threads.

The trolling on both threads from you is now blatantly obvious.
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Don't forget his religious vilification. ;) Happy Easter. :D
 
CharacterFirst said:
Nor you sadly. :(
Anyway, its more about embracing Jesus himself, than his "teachings", isn't it?

Yep. Right day, but wrong thread (as if that could ever be the case :rolleyes:). ;)
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Don't be sad. I'm sure I'll be fine.
HerculesRockefeller said:
didn''t even read your post because my sources confirm that you are an idiot.

Bombers are in the clear. All you braniacs will figure it out sooner or later.
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Wow. Just wow.
 

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whiteoak said:
Don't be sad. I'm sure I'll be fine.


Wow. Just wow.
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I know, i know.. i found a heap of eggs under my tree..

Being an oak tree i was sure you would have found some...if not more!

But like you said mate you'll be fine :thumbsu:

:p
 
snax said:
Any Bunny's?
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Plenty i heard ;)
 
Plugger35 said:
Whether Roy's article is 100% factual or not, Essendon and the AFL now know they can't negotiate any secret special deals with ASADA because the NRL media will be all over it and be screaming blue murder if their clubs get treated more harshly than an AFL club for similar offences, and rightly so.
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This is the story within the story, over the year's the AFL has done a good sweeping anything that's damages the "brand" under the proverbial carpet. Allowing themselves to be a better product for corporate sponsorship, the NRL has lost this race and now is acting in a manner to highlight the negatives/deficiencies of the AFL brand. People like Masters will be heard more often commenting on such issue's at the AFL's expense.
 
mxett said:
Doubt all you like but it makes perfect sense for AD to meet with ASADA in order to gain information about how to minimise damage. How this is then construed as a special deal is beyond me.

What's even more confusing is how any document describing a special deal between Essendon and ASADAs lawyer could be freely handed to another party.....that just doesn't add up.

I'd say the document, if in fact there was one, may have been a letter from ASADA to the AFL or Essendon giving them advice on how to best cooperate, and that cooperation was the clubs best chance of a lenient sentence.

Well, derrrr.... :rolleyes:
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Well considering that ASADA's own lawyers were walking out on them because of it certainly indicates that "something interesting" was going on between the AFL / Essendon and ASADA.

The fact that ASADA's own laywers thought it necessary to inform the NRL and Cronulla of the particulars indicated something "special" was being done.

The fact that the NRL took this specific issue to the Prime Ministers office also gives us a bit of a hint that something strange was going on.

A letter from ASADA to Essendon on how best to cooperate doesn't cause that much upheaval, unless it favours one club / code over another.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Well considering that ASADA's own lawyers were walking out on them because of it certainly indicates that "something interesting" was going on between the AFL / Essendon and ASADA.

The fact that ASADA's own laywers thought it necessary to inform the NRL and Cronulla of the particulars indicated something "special" was being done.

The fact that the NRL took this specific issue to the Prime Ministers office also gives us a bit of a hint that something strange was going on.

A letter from ASADA to Essendon on how best to cooperate doesn't cause that much upheaval, unless it favours one club / code over another.
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You need to learn the difference between a fact and an article written by a journo...

None of Masters' article has been shown to be fact and for all we know the whole lot could be BS or just bits and pieces. The whole lot could also be completely accurate, we just don't know.

I'm sure when your club was in the headlines for the wrong reasons there was plenty written about you that was wrong...
 
Obeanie1 said:
Well considering that ASADA's own lawyers were walking out on them because of it certainly indicates that "something interesting" was going on between the AFL / Essendon and ASADA.

The fact that ASADA's own laywers thought it necessary to inform the NRL and Cronulla of the particulars indicated something "special" was being done.

The fact that the NRL took this specific issue to the Prime Ministers office also gives us a bit of a hint that something strange was going on.

A letter from ASADA to Essendon on how best to cooperate doesn't cause that much upheaval, unless it favours one club / code over another.
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One could completely disect this :rolleyes:
 
Bloodstained Bomber said:
You need to learn the difference between a fact and an article written by a journo...

None of Masters' article has been shown to be fact and for all we know the whole lot could be BS or just bits and pieces.
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If so, he will enjoy his banz and his poverty.

The article is poorly written, as has been discussed, and, thus, difficult to understand.

But I think that the premise is very clear.

I like semantic arguments.
 
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