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mxett said:
Doubt all you like but it makes perfect sense for AD to meet with ASADA in order to gain information about how to minimise damage. How this is then construed as a special deal is beyond me.
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It sure does. Which is exactly why Essendon "came forward" in the first place, some would assume.

The AFL are all about minimising damage.
 
Echols said:
It sure does. Which is exactly why Essendon "came forward" in the first place, some would assume.

The AFL are all about minimising damage.
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Haha

I see what you did there ;)

They came forward to be investigated not declare guilt. If the latter was the case this would be over by now. As far as Essendon are concerned theyve done nothing wrong. If they have inadvertently broken WADA guidelines then full cooperation should work in their favour.
 
mxett said:
If Essendon confessed to ped use why investigate Further? There's the whistle blow right there.
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Well You said they had come forward to be investigated. They don't know what it was that was being injected as I understand it.

Given the number of avenues of enquiry that could be made, I can't see why a bad result for Essendon would necessarily come quickly.
 
Messenger said:
Well You said they had come forward to be investigated. They don't know what it was that was being injected as I understand it.

Given the number of avenues of enquiry that could be made, I can't see why a bad result for Essendon would necessarily come quickly.
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They didnt know what they injected into their own players? Rubbish

- the players demanded consent forms guaranteeing the supplements were WADA compliant.

- They were supposedly given information sessions covering the content of the supplements.

- essendons medical team were fully involved in the process and its their job to know exactly what medications or supplements are given to players

The ACC then informed the AFL/Essendon that their players may have taken WADA banned substance without knowing (according to GM) so they invited ASADA to come and fully investigate their practices.

ASADA have said all along that players who come out and confess will be rewarded with more a lenient penalty because it helps speed up the investigation process. If Essendon said to WADA at the start "we're guilty" why would they need a 6 month investigation?
 
Daytripper said:
And what about Dank then?

18 months worth of investigations apparently and NOT ONE SINGLE CHARGE.

Not even a parking ticket.
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So this has all been a beatup has it? Just a juicy story to get through the off-season.Nothing at all for the club/administration to be concerned about?
The sad thing is this will die of attrition,with a cursory statement in the press around July
 
Echols said:
It sure does. Which is exactly why Essendon "came forward" in the first place, some would assume.

The AFL are all about minimising damage.
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They've protected Buddy, why not the Bombers?
 
mxett said:
They didnt know what they injected into their own players? Rubbish

- the players demanded consent forms guaranteeing the supplements were WADA compliant.

- They were supposedly given information sessions covering the content of the supplements.

- essendons medical team were fully involved in the process and its their job to know exactly what medications or supplements are given to players

The ACC then informed the AFL/Essendon that their players may have taken WADA banned substance without knowing (according to GM) so they invited ASADA to come and fully investigate their practices.

ASADA have said all along that players who come out and confess will be rewarded with more a lenient penalty because it helps speed up the investigation process. If Essendon said to WADA at the start "we're guilty" why would they need a 6 month investigation?
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Were they?

Then why is there reports that Essendon doctors were excluded from some facets of this program and why has Essendon come out and asked to be investigated because "new information recently came out" that has put doubt in their minds. The club came out and stated they are not 100% sure what occured?

If Essendon and its doctors came out, put their hands on their hearts and provided evidence that they were totally on top of this and knew 100% what happened then the players and the club would be cleared and have nothing to worry about.

Does this look like the case? No it isn't.

The Essendon doctors are not 100% sure of what happened and neither is the club. All this happened 12+ months ago so a "smoking gun positive test" may never result but ASADA has already stated that this is not needed to make a finding against a player / club. Just ask Lance Armstrong and Ben Cousins. This is why the club is doing a reveiw of its internal governance and in particular its sports science practices. By not being sure of what occurred Essendon has acknowledged that its administration wasn't good enough and must be improved.

As for the "special deal" when lawyers start exchanging letters as proof of what occured its a reasonable assumption that a journalist isn't "making stuff up". If the Prime Minister is informed about it thats also a pretty fair indication as well. But hey, Demertriou has come out with his normal spin job on a bad news story so we should just beleive Vlad that everything is fine and there's nothing to see here folks.:cool:
 
Obeanie1 said:
Were they?

Then why is there reports that Essendon doctors were excluded from some facets of this program and why has Essendon come out and asked to be investigated because "new information recently came out" that has put doubt in their minds. The club came out and stated they are not 100% sure what occured?

If Essendon and its doctors came out, put their hands on their hearts and provided evidence that they were totally on top of this and knew 100% what happened then the players and the club would be cleared and have nothing to worry about.

Does this look like the case? No it isn't.

The Essendon doctors are not 100% sure of what happened and neither is the club. All this happened 12+ months ago so a "smoking gun positive test" may never result but ASADA has already stated that this is not needed to make a finding against a player / club. Just ask Lance Armstrong and Ben Cousins. This is why the club is doing a reveiw of its internal governance and in particular its sports science practices. By not being sure of what occurred Essendon has acknowledged that its administration wasn't good enough and must be improved.

As for the "special deal" when lawyers start exchanging letters as proof of what occured its a reasonable assumption that a journalist isn't "making stuff up". If the Prime Minister is informed about it thats also a pretty fair indication as well. But hey, Demertriou has come out with his normal spin job on a bad news story so we should just beleive Vlad that everything is fine and there's nothing to see here folks.:cool:
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Can you show me evidence the Essendon medical staff were excluded from the supplement regime? This is contrary to what has been reported
 

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Posted by: Ellen Feely | 28 March, 2013 - 8:01 AM


The battle between AFL and NRL has spilled into the performance-enhancing drug affair domain, with the Rugby League chief executive speaking to Prime Minister Julia Gillard about his frustrations at an alleged deal between the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and Essendon.
Speaking with 3AW Breakfast, Roy Masters, a former rugby league coach and Fairfax Media columnist who broke the story, said it appeared the issue boiled down to a misunderstanding.
"If you look at it from the most benign way of all, you would have to say that it's a misunderstanding perhaps,” he said.
"Essendon were given a range of sanctions, of which zero sanction right down the bottom was a possibility, but never believed to be an option by the Bombers."
However upon hearing the prospect of Essendon players not receiving any sanction when the NRL’s Cronulla Sharks faced a minimum six-month ban, NRL chief Dave Smith took his complaint to the top – the Prime Minister.
Mr Masters told Ross and John the NRL became aware of the possibility of no sanction for Essendon players, they put their enquiry to a lawyer acting for ASADA who denied that to be the case.
ASADA counsel, John Marshall SC, the next day phoned Cronulla’s legal team to say he had misled them, supplied them with the appropriate documentation and withdrew his representation of ASADA – for whom he had acted for 20 years.
"Nonetheless, this so-called zero sanction for Essendon and the minimum of six months for the NRL, and the various versions of it... the in between is the confusion," Roy Masters said.
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http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breakin...d-asada-to-prime-minister/20130328-2gvaw.html
 
As soon as I noticed a big time pro rugby league supporter had done the article i knew it would be 110% pro rugby leagueand any/every chance he wold have he would of course make the AFL & Essendon look worse than they really are.

I wouldn't take anything seriously what old man Roy Masters writes about on this topic. Unless it's an official release by Essendon or theAFL then take NO notice.
 
BomberFan355 said:
They've protected Buddy, why not the Bombers?
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I shouldn't need to explain the difference between players doing coke in their own time, and a club being investigated for widespread doping.
 
Jobe Watson said:
Andy D was on Triple M this arvo, and once again said that Roy's article, and the implication that the AFL sought favourable treatment, was "garbage".

Ahhh, and now Roy has said his article was all a 'misunderstanding'. What a tool of the highest order he is.
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I guess it's too much to expect an apology from all the posters who were clutching desperately to Masters' bowel movement claiming the club and the AFL were trying to get guilty players off.
 
Lil Kim Il sung said:
I guess it's too much to expect an apology from all the posters who were clutching desperately to Masters' bowel movement claiming the club and the AFL were trying to get guilty players off.
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Meh, it's the AFL. They were and still are all about keeping all 18 teams on the park for the entirety of the television deal. They say whatever they want to say, and expect people to buy it.

Masters may have gotten confused, but don't think for a second that the AFL weren't exploring every possibility of minimising any fallout from ASADA.
 
Echols said:
Meh, it's the AFL. They were and still are all about keeping all 18 teams on the park for the entirety of the television deal. They say whatever they want to say, and expect people to buy it.

Masters may have gotten confused, but don't think for a second that the AFL weren't exploring every possibility of minimising any fallout from ASADA.
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Lot of words for a simple no to his question mate.
 
Echols said:
Huh? He obviously was, leading him to retract his statement somewhat.
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Which means that the people here hanging on to his every word should maybe go down on a big slab of humble pie and retract theirs??
 
Lil Kim Il sung said:
Which means that the people here hanging on to his every word should maybe go down on a big slab of humble pie and retract theirs??
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People are fine to discuss and speculate around what's been reported in the papers, media and public record. It is a discussion board after all.
 
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