Im convinced now wallace is a snake

[the ranger]

Are you including me Tiger?

I was happy to be 100% behind Wallace leading into this year... he was our coach & it appeared that we were well positioned to keep improving.

The round 1 loss & the manner it occurred shocked me. We appeared totally unprepared and unwilling to give a yelp.
(Terry at some stage has said that our inability to get our best team on the park has cost us but in round 1 Cuss & Richo were fit and the only real absences were Coggs & Cotch... an 18 year old with 16 games!)
So we should have been up and ready to go but were utterly crap.

Following this my support for Terry went from the 100% to say 60-70% depending on how we & he went over the next month. (Which is what he himself asked for)

Come the Melbourne loss I was getting ready to jump off totally & the Brisbane game sealed it.

Now that he is moving on, some of the maneuvering Terry has undertaken seems a little premature as he is still coaching us tonight.

FFS... he even cleaned out his office yesterday!

I'm just desperate to close this chapter & look forward...

That pretty much sums it up for me as well.

 

[_RT_]

Watching the interview last night one thing was crystal clear, Wallace was not going to wear any failure in public. He would have been mad to sit there on national TV and say yeah I failed as it would ruin any chances he has of getting a job elsewhere. The thruth is he knows that for the most part he failed in his time at Richmond, but we will never hear it said in public.

 

[Coach_Required]

Watching the interview last night one thing was crystal clear, Wallace was not going to wear any failure in public. He would have been mad to sit there on national TV and say yeah I failed as it would ruin any chances he has of getting a job elsewhere. The thruth is he knows that for the most part he failed in his time at Richmond, but we will never hear it said in public.

To be perfectly honest ruthless, there would be no point in it really, I know it wouldnt make me feel any better as a supporter if he did.

 

[_RT_]

To be perfectly honest ruthless, there would be no point in it really, I know it wouldnt make me feel any better as a supporter if he did.

As of 11pm tonight, I don't want to hear any more from Wallace regarding Richmond, don't want to hear him apologising for his stuff ups and I don't want to hear him taking credit for future successes. After tonight the Wallace era is done and dusted as far as I'm concerned. I'll be focusing on the clubs future from now on.

 

[FSUB10Y]

This interview summed up Wallace's 5 years at Richmond......
Selfish

• Totally Unaccountable for his actions
• A complete fraud
• Absolute failure as a coach
• Selfish

More interested in patching things up with the Bulldogs than anyhting else......

Good riddance effwit!!!!

 

[Roachy8]

As of 11pm tonight, I don't want to hear any more from Wallace regarding Richmond, don't want to hear him apologising for his stuff ups and I don't want to hear him taking credit for future successes. After tonight the Wallace era is done and dusted as far as I'm concerned. I'll be focusing on the clubs future from now on.

Should have been done & dusted last Monday morning or at the very latest, yesterday afternoon when he 'cleaned out his locker'!

 

[deliberate!!]

Yep, Sat 6th June 2009, the RFC starts afresh.

All players are open to staying or going. (Our new Coach will decide this)

Can't wait till the pre-season till a new voice gets at these players.

And that's what excites me.

We've been bitten on the ass for too long by Coaches who could only do the talk.

Time for a doer a Richmond.

Don't be sucked in by the Temp Coach and the last half of the year.

It's 2010 that counts! Year 1. A rebirth.

------------------------------------------------------------
“Here comes the future and you can't run from it,
You've got a blacklist, I want to be on it” – Billy Bragg

 

[deliberate!!]

It’s a common occurrence on the majority of internet forums. Some people are just more comfortable being negative. It’s their perverse way of fitting in. They form alliances in their own little exclusive Critical Club. They don’t have the foresight or intelligence to look at the positive, but find it so easy to bag, criticise and be negative. Notice how it’s the same dozen or so posters who constantly criticise. They need to lighten up and get a life.

Bazzar....Ever thought some people called out Wallace early, because of the way the team was prepared, the skill level, the physical development of players, the changing without any intelligence game plan, the dropping of some players for no reason, the keeping in the Seniors of players who should be dropped, and the promoting of guys from the 2's who didn't deserve promotion.
Stop bundling up this intelligent analysis as being negative. You're showing you own lack of intelligence.

And if you think being positive (a feeling, or possibly a deluded feel-good guess) as being foresight or intelligence....you deserve to stay with the other head-in-the-cloud supporters!

Ever thought 'bagging' actually comes from past events or lack of achievement by those getting bagged?

So in reverse, where does your ill-formed 'positivity' come from?
Not a result....but a hopeful gamble aimed at the future.

Look in your own camp first, before you generalize the other.
I've been critical of Wallace in the past years, and I can't see why it would be, as you call it "their perverse way of fitting in".
I never felt the need to fit in. It actually doesn't help you fit in, if the majority disagree with you.

Wallace is gone.
No more excuses needed. No more slamming people as negative for calling him out.
Were the RFC negative for sacking him?

Bazzar, you really need to reevaluate your understanding of 'positivity' and 'negativity'. Both help in situations. Both can be harmful.

Cheers

 

[coke_zero]

watching that interview alot of my thought on wallace have changed.

 

[RichoRox12]

Yep, Sat 6th June 2009, the RFC starts afresh.

All players are open to staying or going. (Our new Coach will decide this)

Can't wait till the pre-season till a new voice gets at these players.

And that's what excites me.

We've been bitten on the ass for too long by Coaches who could only do the talk.

Time for a doer a Richmond.

Don't be sucked in by the Temp Coach and the last half of the year.

It's 2010 that counts! Year 1. A rebirth.

------------------------------------------------------------
“Here comes the future and you can't run from it,
You've got a blacklist, I want to be on it” – Billy Bragg

I agree - although this story is getting a little old in my book, I'm having a severe case of de ja vu.

 

[Tiger67]

Yep, Sat 6th June 2009, the RFC starts afresh.

All players are open to staying or going. (Our new Coach will decide this)

Can't wait till the pre-season till a new voice gets at these players.

And that's what excites me.

We've been bitten on the ass for too long by Coaches who could only do the talk.

Time for a doer a Richmond.

Don't be sucked in by the Temp Coach and the last half of the year.

It's 2010 that counts! Year 1. A rebirth.

------------------------------------------------------------
“Here comes the future and you can't run from it,
You've got a blacklist, I want to be on it” – Billy Bragg

Agree with all of that Delib but who is the right coach.
We can't possibly have employed nothing but dudd coaches in the last 28 years.... How do we get it right now

 

[deliberate!!]

I agree - although this story is getting a little old in my book, I'm having a severe case of de ja vu.

LOL.....I know what you mean....but what else can we do?

Maybe life is a bad dose of 'de ja vu'.

I wish I was that copper on the TV show 'Life on Mar's.
I'd happily be dropped back to 1973.
First thing I'd do would be to buy Grand Final tickets to watch Royce Hart hold up the cup at the end of the year.
Oops, and I'd have a generous bet on the Tiges to win the flag!
Now that's great 'de ja vu' !!!!!!

 

[tugga]

LOL.....I know what you mean....but what else can we do?

Maybe life is a bad dose of 'de ja vu'.

I wish I was that copper on the TV show 'Life on Mar's.
I'd happily be dropped back to 1973.
First thing I'd do would be to buy Grand Final tickets to watch Royce Hart hold up the cup at the end of the year.
Oops, and I'd have a generous bet on the Tiges to win the flag!
Now that's great 'de ja vu' !!!!!!

I wish I was him too. What a stupid boy he is. he has that hot little blonde Annie after him and he does nothing.

 

[stefoid]

I was one of the people who backed Wallace all the way. I thought it was very disappointing that he was not continuing as coach, but after that interview i totally agree.

He is the ultimate spin master. Not answering about Newman just showed that Hutchy was right on the money.

Saying that he had no hand in the recruiting at the Bulldogs or at Richmond is a f**king joke. I have heard him say (and i quote), 'you only have to look at the list i put together at the Bulldogs...'

I hope so much that we get it right next time...

drafting is the recruiters domain.

trading on the other hand is the coaches domain, and you also have to take into account draft picks burned to make said trades, and development of youngsters that has been stunted at the expense of playing older traded players.

trading is a big part of building a list, - just not as important as drafting.

if you want a depressing/humourous exercise, make a list of all the trades that wallace has presided over at both clubs in the last 10 years

to say he is not resposnsible for the lists at either club is only half true - both lists could have been a lot better without him!

 

[Goldust]

Actually, the more I think about it the fact that he has already cleaned out his office, 24 hours before his final game is really really crap!

AS someone who changed jobs a few years back, it's exactly how you won't to do it.
I gave my however many weeks notice and vowed to work those weeks out, giving the same effort I always had, before moving to my new position elsewhere.
After a few days, management had a change of heart and told me, we'll pay you out, you don't need to come back for the 'x' amount of weeks.
I was told at 8.15pm on a Thursday night when I was the only person left in the building bar my manager.
I came back the next morning at 5am and spent an hour and a half collecting my things and clearing the office.
Roachy, I didn't want to go in there at 9am when there was 40 people around wanting to shake my hand, or pat me on the back, or even ask what was going on - ie. why are you leaving 'x' amount of weeks before time?
It's uncomfortable and you have to remember management have told you are no longer required - too awkward mate!
I had seen countless people leave that workplace over the years and get a decent farewell - speech, gift, chance to say goodbye - my chance was denied as I was shunted out when no one else was around. I desreved that chance more than anyone after giving them a decade's service and God knows how much unpaid overtime.
But I didn't want to be in an awkward position of people askingwhat's going on and me saying 'go ask management'.
Terry did the right thing - and he gets a farewell too!!

 

[emperor]

I can understand TW clearing out his office.

What I don't get is people saying "Now I'm convinced he was a snake/spin doctor..." etc. Last night was a vintage TW performance.

Anyway I have had it with thinking about the faults and failings of TW's reign, let's get on with it

 

[Roachy8]

AS someone who changed jobs a few years back, it's exactly how you won't to do it.
I gave my however many weeks notice and vowed to work those weeks out, giving the same effort I always had, before moving to my new position elsewhere.
After a few days, management had a change of heart and told me, we'll pay you out, you don't need to come back for the 'x' amount of weeks.
I was told at 8.15pm on a Thursday night when I was the only person left in the building bar my manager.
I came back the next morning at 5am and spent an hour and a half collecting my things and clearing the office.
Roachy, I didn't want to go in there at 9am when there was 40 people around wanting to shake my hand, or pat me on the back, or even ask what was going on - ie. why are you leaving 'x' amount of weeks before time?
It's uncomfortable and you have to remember management have told you are no longer required - too awkward mate!
I had seen countless people leave that workplace over the years and get a decent farewell - speech, gift, chance to say goodbye - my chance was denied as I was shunted out when no one else was around. I desreved that chance more than anyone after giving them a decade's service and God knows how much unpaid overtime.
But I didn't want to be in an awkward position of people askingwhat's going on and me saying 'go ask management'.
Terry did the right thing - and he gets a farewell too!!

Yup that's fair enough I guess Goldy, in fact I went through a similar scenario just 5 months ago (redundancy) but I'm wondering how this has effected his preparation for tonight.

On a normal Friday night I would guess Terry would have been at Punt Road during the day before heading out to the stadium directly from his office.

Unless he has been there working from a table in the canteen perhaps, I have to assume his routine is different. (Although, perhaps a different routine might actually help us! )

At the end of the day I'm just a little worried that we have already 'conceded' this game because we are soooooo focusing on beyond the mid-season break & the 'new era' whatever that is.

Just to continue with your work analogy, as Terry is let's say our General Manager, how many firms would agree that their GM had to leave ( & possibly go to the opposition) but still allow them to present the keynote pitch to an important new investor as their final task?

Edit: Oh... & I know I'm being a bit silly but shit, it's Friday arvo & I've had a hell of a week!

 

[astro_toby]

Agree - How do these match-ups compare?

Frawley's last game as coach versus Wallace's last game as coach

Blumfield v Cotchin
Fleming v Deledio
Hall v Rance
Hartigan v Tambo
Hyde v Foley
Marsh v McGuane
Billy Nicholls v Cousins
Weller v Moore

Not a bad list of names Plough developed! (Except for Cousins, but he took a punt and should be commended)

what a pointless comparison!

blumfield was a selection 30 - cotchin pick 2
fleming was a pick in the 70s - deledio pick 1
hall was a pick　in the 50s, rance pick 18
hartigan was a pick in the 50s - tambo pick 3
hyde was a pick in the 60s - foley a rookie
marsh was a psd - mcguane in the 30s
both nicholls and cousins were psd
weller v moore - irrelelvant! frawley was there for both of their recruitments!!

wallace has had brilliant picks to get this side right - and we developed slow as shit

 

[astro_toby]

We

He was 100% correct when he said going by the stats our list at that time would be similar in age and games to that of Gelong at the time!
You can not argue with that.
That is a fact! You just can't argue with that!
Jacko, Foley, Lids, Cotch, McGuane, Moore, Morton, Riewoldt, Thursty, Rance etc etc. It's a fact!!!! Deal with it!!!!!!!

lmao - so that is the key to success is it? having players that are a certain age?

what a pathetic way to plan for success. next time he should probably worry more about having the right team balance and game plan than worring about their birthdays.

WE ARE NOT GEELONG - WE FAILED - TERRY FAILED, 2011 WAS NOT OUR TIME. HE ****ED UP - FACT!!!!

 

[Khan]

Re: We

Stop shouting all of you

 

[Goldust]

Yup that's fair enough I guess Goldy, in fact I went through a similar scenario just 5 months ago (redundancy) but I'm wondering how this has effected his preparation for tonight.

On a normal Friday night I would guess Terry would have been at Punt Road during the day before heading out to the stadium directly from his office.

Unless he has been there working from a table in the canteen perhaps, I have to assume his routine is different. (Although, perhaps a different routine might actually help us! )

At the end of the day I'm just a little worried that we have already 'conceded' this game because we are soooooo focusing on beyond the mid-season break & the 'new era' whatever that is.

Just to continue with your work analogy, as Terry is let's say our General Manager, how many firms would agree that their GM had to leave ( & possibly go to the opposition) but still allow them to present the keynote pitch to an important new investor as their final task?

Edit: Oh... & I know I'm being a bit silly but shit, it's Friday arvo & I've had a hell of a week!

HARD to tell, Roachy! Wallace's preparation has been pretty radical all throughout his career - doubtful he'd be in the office Fridays most weeks.
I recall a few years back while he was coaching the Doggies, he did an interview on 3AW pre-game. It was like 1pm and he wasn't even at the ground, which I found bizarre ... but that was Terry.
I read somewhere this week he basically avoided the pre-match address to all players, rather speaking to them individually. That would be an exception to the rule too I think!
He pretty much pioneered the pre-match and half-time interviews. Whether there were for the better, is debatable. But he was pretty novel in his approach.

I'm non-fussed either way tonight ..... not sure it's of any benefit giving him a swansong, but think he's deserving if that's what he wants!

 

[thecotch]

The spineless ones are the ones who know **** all about someone but come out on here as know it alls.

You hit the nail on the head. Those bagging Wallace, would you yourself come out on national television and knife someone in the back? Some of them I have no doubt would

Well don't come out at all then and waste everyone's time with bullshit. Gave nothing but crap for 20 mins. Loves hearing his own voice.

 

[thecotch]

so what's he meant to do? roll over and cop a reaming from pricks like you? would you sit there and take the blame for things you felt you weren't responsible for? FO

Instead of listening to the fact that we had no recruiters and development coaches for 3 years and perhaps cutting him some slack in his final game, you still play the man. You're one nasty piece of work.

Don't abuse me you ****wit. It's my opinion and if you don't like it you can **** off.

 

[tony_montana]

Don't abuse me you ****wit. It's my opinion and if you don't like it you can **** off.

**** off hypocrite. You're ok with abusing TW, but cant take some back. ****ing spanner