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pstew2dstew said:
My problems with the term nazi is that blue team throws this at people who disagree with them,
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Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numpty.
 
pstew2dstew said:
First off, thank you the response is very cordial which is appreciated in these discussions.


"If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different"

You are, you're both capable of destruction hatred and produce the same level of evidence for bias conspiracies. Obama/Joan rivers, Hillary emails podesta bros/jon bennet pizza gate eyes wide shut blue team behaviour. Instead of throwing nazi salutes blue teams throwing up devil/freemason signs.

the ideologies are a complete mirror image.



"Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews."

Trumps racist now. Stop with this. If you said Trump treats women like s"" this would be more accurate and adds credibility to your presentation, but it's these baseless accusations which degrades what is a very cordial post.

"You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing"

Jan 6th riotors. If this is the standard for the fear you feel you should fear your own side, they did the same s"" with people who took over cities and burnt them down. Not one day of burning....months of burning down cities.
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We're not going to agree and there's no point trading tit for tat accusations between sides and supporting what seems to me to be a fairly straightforward statement that Trump is, among other things, racist. Agree, disagree, feel it's a problem or don't, whatever.

There's just one thing I'll push back on - ideologies are mirror images. If you value a society where there's more empathy, less marginalisation and demonization of minorities, less state sponsored political violence and peaceful transfers of power after democratic elections, not to mention the world's big problems (pandemics, climate) require global action, they are not mirror images. An America under Biden/Clinton/even AOC vs one under Trump are very very different in all these regards, even if you quite reasonably don't like democrats or their politics.

Trump, specifically Trump, is a unique threat and to not see it is to be willfully looking away
 

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tribey said:
Demanding California — which has propped up the destitute red states of the south since the cost of picking cotton shot up — accept a raft of ideologically-driven conditions before releasing federal funds for wildfire recovery and relief, and signing an EO to override their existing state laws, doesn’t sound like ‘ceding power to the states’ to me.

It’s ‘state’s rights’ for Republican governors, and federal overreach for Democratic governors.

They’re not even pretending to hide it.
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Holding the Californian officials to account and pushing them to let the effected people back to their land and rebuild asap, oh the horror. He's giving them cash (just like he did previously) and he also wants to the states to directly fix issues with fed money not have a fed org in the middle of it all slowing it down. California is woefully run and broke, the people there are with him on this one, a weird choice to hang your hat on that he's a fascist.
 
StrappingTape said:
Holding the Californian officials to account and pushing them to let the effected people back to their land and rebuild asap, oh the horror. He's giving them cash (just like he did previously) and he also wants to the states to directly fix issues with fed money not have a fed org in the middle of it all slowing it down. California is woefully run and broke, the people there are with him on this one, a weird choice to hang your hat on that he's a fascist.
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You literally argued against that by saying he was effectively letting states govern themselves.

Not true.

Just curiously specific ones.
 
tribey said:
You literally argued against that by saying he was effectively letting states govern themselves.

Not true.

Just curiously specific ones.
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It is true. Both can be true, some states need a helping hand to save them from themselves and California would have some of the most inept leadership in the western world at all levels of it's government. Victoria comes close as our outlier of moronic decisions and swimming in debt of their own making. The only difference here is the fed gov would keep negotiations much more private, I mean is Marise Payne (think that's who it was at the time) a fascist because she had to step in and cancel their deals with China?
 
StrappingTape said:
It is true. Both can be true, some states need a helping hand to save them from themselves and California would have some of the most inept leadership in the western world at all levels of it's government. Victoria comes close as our outlier of moronic decisions and swimming in debt of their own making. The only difference here is the fed gov would keep negotiations much more private, I mean is Marise Payne (think that's who it was at the time) a fascist because she had to step in and cancel their deals with China?
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Wasn't Marise part of the same government that leased the Port of Darwin for 100 years?
 
StrappingTape said:
sounds like a dumb idea the fed gov would have.
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Except that it wasn't.

It was the Country Liberal Party controlled Northern Territory Government that negotiated and agreed to a 99 year lease for the strategic Port of Darwin to the Chinese PRC controlled Landbridge Group in 2015
StrappingTape said:
I'd have no idea
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:thumbsu:
 
Festerz said:
Except that it wasn't.

It was the Country Liberal Party controlled Northern Territory Government that negotiated and agreed to a 99 year lease for the strategic Port of Darwin to the Chinese PRC controlled Landbridge Group in 2015


:thumbsu:
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Yeah I know right, not much difference between a lease and the Belt and Road Program :rolleyes:. If Victoria had leased a Port (probably has) I doubt anyone gave a ****.
 
pstew2dstew said:
I mentioned previously I'm have no doubt theres less than 1% of people who are fit for description.

Is it more than this? Is it a % worth worrying about?
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"Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Hess, Goering etc. are less than 1% of the German population. It's 1933 for god's sake, we aren't living in the middle ages. Those people investing in glazier businesses are going to lose their shirts."
 

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philthy05 said:
Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numpty.
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I agree with this mostly, but it has been for years. Part of the issue with all the hyperbole we've endured for over a decade is that its all so boy who cried wolf that now even with someone doing literal nazi salutes people are just going to ignore it.
 
philthy05 said:
Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numnumpty
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You can keep repeating this, it's not going to make this delusion real.

There is no Nazis coming to get you, I promise you. They ain't coming back into power or taking over the US. No one is getting marched into camps or being gassed. The fact I even have to say this is....ridiculous.




Yes it is you guys call everyone who disagrees with you nazi, none of you made any reference to Elon being Nazi, until he turned, this is real.
 
Cam1870 said:
We're not going to agree and there's no point trading tit for tat accusations between sides and supporting what seems to me to be a fairly straightforward statement that Trump is, among other things, racist. Agree, disagree, feel it's a problem or don't, whatever.

There's just one thing I'll push back on - ideologies are mirror images. If you value a society where there's more empathy, less marginalisation and demonization of minorities, less state sponsored political violence and peaceful transfers of power after democratic elections, not to mention the world's big problems (pandemics, climate) require global action, they are not mirror images. An America under Biden/Clinton/even AOC vs one under Trump are very very different in all these regards, even if you quite reasonably don't like democrats or their politics.

Trump, specifically Trump, is a unique threat and to not see it is to be willfully looking away
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I dont like any of your ideologies. The blue team and red team they've both lost their minds. I don't fear nazis, I don't have fears for satinists. I do have genuine concerns about what both ideologies are doing to people psyche.


I dont believe majority of the people who follow either of them are evil people and go into these ideologies genuinely wanting to make the world a better place.

But both sides believe they're the good guys. This is where the mirror image develops. I promise, how you feel about them they feel the exact same about you.

For example

You say they hate Jews.
They say you hate Christians.
The same s"" follows in every talking point.

Vax vs unvaxxed abortion
My body my choice.

Mirror image.

I hope you see this a battle neither of you are going to win and both of you are constantly going to lose.

thanks for cordial discussion.
 
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