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[Grave Danger]

Getting a bit of this vibe ITT

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I think it's a bot.

 

[StrappingTape]

Demanding California — which has propped up the destitute red states of the south since the cost of picking cotton shot up — accept a raft of ideologically-driven conditions before releasing federal funds for wildfire recovery and relief, and signing an EO to override their existing state laws, doesn’t sound like ‘ceding power to the states’ to me.

It’s ‘state’s rights’ for Republican governors, and federal overreach for Democratic governors.

They’re not even pretending to hide it.

Holding the Californian officials to account and pushing them to let the effected people back to their land and rebuild asap, oh the horror. He's giving them cash (just like he did previously) and he also wants to the states to directly fix issues with fed money not have a fed org in the middle of it all slowing it down. California is woefully run and broke, the people there are with him on this one, a weird choice to hang your hat on that he's a fascist.

 

[tribey]

Holding the Californian officials to account and pushing them to let the effected people back to their land and rebuild asap, oh the horror. He's giving them cash (just like he did previously) and he also wants to the states to directly fix issues with fed money not have a fed org in the middle of it all slowing it down. California is woefully run and broke, the people there are with him on this one, a weird choice to hang your hat on that he's a fascist.

You literally argued against that by saying he was effectively letting states govern themselves.

Not true.

Just curiously specific ones.

 

[StrappingTape]

You literally argued against that by saying he was effectively letting states govern themselves.

Not true.

Just curiously specific ones.

It is true. Both can be true, some states need a helping hand to save them from themselves and California would have some of the most inept leadership in the western world at all levels of it's government. Victoria comes close as our outlier of moronic decisions and swimming in debt of their own making. The only difference here is the fed gov would keep negotiations much more private, I mean is Marise Payne (think that's who it was at the time) a fascist because she had to step in and cancel their deals with China?

 

[TazD]

It is true. Both can be true, some states need a helping hand to save them from themselves and California would have some of the most inept leadership in the western world at all levels of it's government. Victoria comes close as our outlier of moronic decisions and swimming in debt of their own making. The only difference here is the fed gov would keep negotiations much more private, I mean is Marise Payne (think that's who it was at the time) a fascist because she had to step in and cancel their deals with China?

Wasn't Marise part of the same government that leased the Port of Darwin for 100 years?

 

[StrappingTape]

Wasn't Marise part of the same government that leased the Port of Darwin for 100 years?

I'd have no idea but sounds like a dumb idea the fed gov would have.

 

[Festerz]

sounds like a dumb idea the fed gov would have.

Except that it wasn't.

It was the Country Liberal Party controlled Northern Territory Government that negotiated and agreed to a 99 year lease for the strategic Port of Darwin to the Chinese PRC controlled Landbridge Group in 2015

I'd have no idea

 

[StrappingTape]

Except that it wasn't.

It was the Country Liberal Party controlled Northern Territory Government that negotiated and agreed to a 99 year lease for the strategic Port of Darwin to the Chinese PRC controlled Landbridge Group in 2015

Yeah I know right, not much difference between a lease and the Belt and Road Program . If Victoria had leased a Port (probably has) I doubt anyone gave a ****.

 

[Papa G]

The Elon Trump bromance will blow up sooner or later. Nothing surer. Trump doesn't want anybody taking the limelight away from him.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I mentioned previously I'm have no doubt theres less than 1% of people who are fit for description.

Is it more than this? Is it a % worth worrying about?

"Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Hess, Goering etc. are less than 1% of the German population. It's 1933 for god's sake, we aren't living in the middle ages. Those people investing in glazier businesses are going to lose their shirts."

 

[Contested Marx]

podesta bros/jon bennet pizza gate eyes wide shut blue team

the actual frig this

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numpty.

I agree with this mostly, but it has been for years. Part of the issue with all the hyperbole we've endured for over a decade is that its all so boy who cried wolf that now even with someone doing literal nazi salutes people are just going to ignore it.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

The Elon Trump bromance will blow up sooner or later. Nothing surer. Trump doesn't want anybody taking the limelight away from him.

The fact Altman and Bannon already hate Elon means the cracks are already showing.

 

[Festerz]

Don't ascribe to the notion of karma. But if I did...

"A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said."

Indiana man pardoned by Trump for Jan. 6 riot is shot and killed by deputy during arrest

Matthew Huttle was among more than 1,500 people pardoned by President Donald Trump stemming from the Capitol attack Jan. 6, 2021.

www.usatoday.com

 

[pstew2dstew]

Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numnumpty

You can keep repeating this, it's not going to make this delusion real.

There is no Nazis coming to get you, I promise you. They ain't coming back into power or taking over the US. No one is getting marched into camps or being gassed. The fact I even have to say this is....ridiculous.




Yes it is you guys call everyone who disagrees with you nazi, none of you made any reference to Elon being Nazi, until he turned, this is real.

 

[pstew2dstew]

We're not going to agree and there's no point trading tit for tat accusations between sides and supporting what seems to me to be a fairly straightforward statement that Trump is, among other things, racist. Agree, disagree, feel it's a problem or don't, whatever.

There's just one thing I'll push back on - ideologies are mirror images. If you value a society where there's more empathy, less marginalisation and demonization of minorities, less state sponsored political violence and peaceful transfers of power after democratic elections, not to mention the world's big problems (pandemics, climate) require global action, they are not mirror images. An America under Biden/Clinton/even AOC vs one under Trump are very very different in all these regards, even if you quite reasonably don't like democrats or their politics.

Trump, specifically Trump, is a unique threat and to not see it is to be willfully looking away

I dont like any of your ideologies. The blue team and red team they've both lost their minds. I don't fear nazis, I don't have fears for satinists. I do have genuine concerns about what both ideologies are doing to people psyche.


I dont believe majority of the people who follow either of them are evil people and go into these ideologies genuinely wanting to make the world a better place.

But both sides believe they're the good guys. This is where the mirror image develops. I promise, how you feel about them they feel the exact same about you.

For example

You say they hate Jews.
They say you hate Christians.
The same s"" follows in every talking point.

Vax vs unvaxxed abortion
My body my choice.

Mirror image.

I hope you see this a battle neither of you are going to win and both of you are constantly going to lose.

thanks for cordial discussion.

 

[wannabejack]

Russian President Vladimir Putin spent many years trafficking in imagined grievances and illusory threats to Russian sovereignty. As it often has been in history, this language was a prelude to launching his ruthless wars. Even Trump’s language about the Panama Canal, which he called a "foolish gift that should have never been made,” was a direct reprise of Putin’s statements on Crimea, which he repeatedly described as having been a gift to Ukraine from Nikita Khrushchev in the 1950s. As is his way, Trump is moving faster than his role model. No sooner had he introduced the idea of wounded sovereignty than he promised that "the United States will once again consider itself a growing nation — one that increases our wealth, expands our territory.” Totalitarian leaders, leaders who want to stay in power forever, undertake expansionist wars.

 

[Contested Marx]

I dont like any of your ideologies. The blue team and red team they've both lost their minds. I don't fear nazis, I don't have fears for satinists. I do have genuine concerns about what both ideologies are doing to people psyche.


I dont believe majority of the people who follow either of them are evil people and go into these ideologies genuinely wanting to make the world a better place.

But both sides believe they're the good guys. This is where the mirror image develops. I promise, how you feel about them they feel the exact same about you.

For example

You say they hate Jews.
They say you hate Christians.
The same s"" follows in every talking point.

Vax vs unvaxxed abortion
My body my choice.

Mirror image.

I hope you see this a battle neither of you are going to win and both of you are constantly going to lose.

thanks for cordial discussion.

Endocrine harvesting beneath a pizza and table tennis shop but it's Team Blue jumping at conspiracy shadows

 

[TazD]

Endocrine harvesting beneath a pizza and table tennis shop but it's Team Blue jumping at conspiracy shadows

Marx.... you sound like a Satanist.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Holding the Californian officials to account and pushing them to let the effected people back to their land and rebuild asap, oh the horror. He's giving them cash (just like he did previously) and he also wants to the states to directly fix issues with fed money not have a fed org in the middle of it all slowing it down. California is woefully run and broke, the people there are with him on this one, a weird choice to hang your hat on that he's a fascist.

Chortle

 

[StrappingTape]

Chortle

? Surely you'd be keeping quiet these days considering you've been wrong on close to everything for the last 8 years+? He just sent in the army to sort out the water there considering the local officials are unable to organise themselves even during one of their biggest emergencies ever. Chortle chortle.

 

[Festerz]

Trump tells his followers he sent in the military to California to 'sort out the water' citing 'fake environmental' arguments about water shortages. Anyone from or who has visited South Western US, including the Hoover Dam, in the past decade (including me) knows how laughably ignorant that comment is.

 

[OneGreatClub]

? Surely you'd be keeping quiet these days considering you've been wrong on close to everything for the last 8 years+? He just sent in the army to sort out the water there considering the local officials are unable to organise themselves even during one of their biggest emergencies ever. Chortle chortle.

OMG Fooled yet again

 

[TazD]

This Trump stuff would be so funny if we had our own nukes.

 

[Festerz]

Trump hates criminals - home grown ones who were convicted of doing crimes in his name are all ok though.

America First!

Jan 6 rioter pardoned by Donald Trump sought on charges of child sex solicitation

Andrew Taake, 36, was released from federal prison despite a formal request by Texas prosecutors to keep him in custody to stand trial on

www.independent.co.uk