Investigation into Essendon Fitness Program

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I'm not sure how Essendon are going to prove it's not performance enhancing, when there are hundreds of clinical trials accessible on google which explain that AOD9604 works on the concept that obese people are often low on 'growth hormones'. All AOD9604 does is release synthesized growth hormones into the body to help those with deficiencies. So please explain how taking synthesized human growth hormones isn't cheating?

Now to clear up a confusion that's widespread on this board; AOD helps trims fat BUT also builds muscle... So there is a direct correlation between AOD9604 and a perceived benefit from the drug which Essendon would want to gain.

source: http://endo.endojournals.org/content/142/12/5182.long
 

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What's everyone going to do following the anti climax of no loss of draft picks, no player suspensions, Jobe keeps his gong and no loss of points get handed down? Will you;

A. Ask yourself what Essendon where actually guilty of in the first place;

B. Re read carefully the way some of the "senior football writers" have worded their articles and in most cases added a clause indicating they are "not suggesting" exactly what they are suggesting as they may have been legally advised Essendon may have grounds for litigation at the conclusion of any findings;

C. Dam the fact that Essendon had remained dignified through the whole shitstorm forcing you to believe the silence was an admission of guilt whilst all along having pivotal information that cleared them of any wrongdoing. Or;

D. Get uber feral and go on an outer-suburbs-paedophilia-headline-induced style rampage.

Or all the above?

Please turn off any phones and remove any prohibited items (including AOD9604) off your desk until you have either finished answering or you begin to feel added outrage that in all this Essendon's bootstudder has remained completely blameless, not been told his position is untenable and has not been asked to fall on his sword (the pointy sharp one he uses to pick the hard to shift bits out with).
 
mxett said:
I'm not disputing it isnt under the catch all phrase. But people are claiming it isnt approved for human use which seems odd given I can buy it at stores in Australia to use on humans
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For the 4th time in just a couple of pages..........as an anti obesity drug
 
As has been stated over, and over ad bloody nauseum ASADA/WADA do NOT need to prove it had any performance enhancing effect! It could have had a detrimental effect, it simply doesn't matter!

Could anyone with any doubt please read the code(s): http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Play_AFL/AFLAnti-DopingCode2010ASADA.pdf
(this is essentially a carbon copy of the WADA code http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf)

Pay extra special attention to section 11.2 (a) and (11.2 b) (section 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 of the WADA code).

2.2 Use or Attempted Use by an Athlete of a
Prohibited Substance or a Prohibited Method

2.2.1 It is each Athlete’s personal duty to ensure that
no Prohibited Substance enters his or her body.
Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent,
fault, negligence or knowing Use on the
Athlete’s part be demonstrated in order to
establish an anti-doping rule violation for Use
of a Prohibited Substance or a Prohibited Method.

2.2.2 The success or failure of the Use or Attempted
Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method
is not material. It is sufficient that the
Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method
was Used or Attempted to be Used for an antidoping
rule violation to be committed.

- It does not matter if the player intended to break the rules or not.
- It does not matter if it worked or not, unless they can prove AOD-9604 was NOT banned (not sure how many more times WADA can confirm it is indeed banned under S0).
- If they listed AOD-9604 on consent forms, which were signed by the players, and then injected any substance which the players thought was the substance AOD-9604, that would almost certainly meet the 'attempted use' clause even if they only ended up giving them saline

The only other way out is to plead to ASADA/WADA for leniency which so far they have shown virtually zero in recent history.
 

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broden said:
For the 4th time in just a couple of pages..........as an anti obesity drug
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According to the HUN that was discontinued in 2007 as no significant weight-loss resulted, but since 2011 Metabolic Pharmaceuticals have been investigating the use to repair cartilage and treat joint disease. Also since 2011 used under licence in tropical cellulite cream.
 
Bazzar said:
According to the HUN that was discontinued in 2007 as no significant weight-loss resulted, but since 2011 Metabolic Pharmaceuticals have been investigating the use to repair cartilage and treat joint disease. Also since 2011 used under licence in tropical cellulite cream.
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So not approved?
 
Mixed Results said:
Now to clear up a confusion that's widespread on this board; AOD helps trims fat BUT also builds muscle... So there is a direct correlation between AOD9604 and a perceived benefit from the drug which Essendon would want to gain.

source: http://endo.endojournals.org/content/142/12/5182.long
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And for those that can't be bothered reading the entire study, the important bit in that study for Bomber's fans is:
"Both AOD9604 and, to a greater extent, hGH increase body weight in lean mice, compared with saline-treated animals. This is in the absence of an increase in fat mass, which suggests an increase in lean body mass occurs with these compounds. This supports previous work with hGH in rodents and humans."

So in mice that are not obese AOD9604 appears to improve lean body mass, which is essentially the same thing as saying it is muscle building.

It seems the only way these players can claim they haven't breached anti-doping laws is to try to argue AOD9604 wasn't banned when they used it. Arguing it is not performance enhancing (which sounds like it may be a questionable defence anyway given the way the WADA/ASADA laws are written) will likely not cut it.
 
It seems to be commonly accepted that Hird and Essendon have engaged PR firms to manage their image throughout this saga. I personally find it increasingly amusing how bad a job they have done, or at least how little they have done to help. Outside of a majority of Essendon's supporters, the general perception appears to be that they have cheated and are trying to get off on a technicality. That is a lose-lose perception. Engaging Carlton supporters to do Essendon's PR could not save produced a worse result.
 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/w/story-fni0fit3-1226669739324
THE world anti-doping boss has laid down the law to crisis-hit Essendon, declaring: "The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop."

"Ninety-five per cent of athletes blame someone else," Mr Fahey said.

"There's strict liability here ... if it's in your system, you take the consequences."

Mr Fahey said WADA would become involved in the Essendon doping probe only if it thought there had been an injustice.

"If we believe someone did not deal with the case appropriately, we've got a right of appeal on behalf of the sporting body or on behalf of the athlete," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/w/story-fni0fit3-1226669739324
 
Sidebottom2Beams said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/w/story-fni0fit3-1226669739324
THE world anti-doping boss has laid down the law to crisis-hit Essendon, declaring: "The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop."

"Ninety-five per cent of athletes blame someone else," Mr Fahey said.

"There's strict liability here ... if it's in your system, you take the consequences."

Mr Fahey said WADA would become involved in the Essendon doping probe only if it thought there had been an injustice.

"If we believe someone did not deal with the case appropriately, we've got a right of appeal on behalf of the sporting body or on behalf of the athlete," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/w/story-fni0fit3-1226669739324
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So WADA is playing hard ball, Essendon are so far gone it's not funny.
 
doppleganger said:
It was an ORAL trial, it and your site lists AOD as a peptide.


-- AOD9604 is an orally active, 16-amino acid, peptide drug, based on a
fragment of human Growth Hormone (hGH).

Essendon weren't administering the drug orally, they were injecting it. Jobe's words "The experience of having that many injections was something I had not experienced in AFL football".
Many advantages to injecting than consuming orally....

It seems you are in favour of your club undertaking a 'pharmacological experiment' on its players, including your captain undertaking a regime of 'shooting up' to try and gain an advantage against the rest of the league....because you think you have a loophole.
Whatever it takes indeed.
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I've posted results of an iv trial before
 
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