Investigation into Essendon Fitness Program

[Satan]

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James Hird

14 October 2012
hello to all fans, i am currently extremely busy and have not been able to check messages for a long time i am sorry. i will get back to you as soon as possible.
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Dont think Stephen Danks is his friend

 

[GarnerSmash]

So PR and spin perhaps.

That's what you get whe you have a vested interest in the outcome, hey?

 

[CroZwell]

He recommended a whole range of odd supplements. Pigs brains, mothers first milk etc. can anyone find any scientific basis for the use of these substances in sport?

Anyway, science and research suggest AOD is a placebo at best. But it kept Dank in employment so he was happy

You do know how to do your own research don't you? Its fairly easy to look this information up in the peer reviewed literature.

Your second point is incorrect and misleading

I am very disappointed in you

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

They are pushing the "Dank went rogue and acted outside our instructions and authorisation chain' angle.

What about tomorrow?

 

[jenny61_99]

He recommended a whole range of odd supplements. Pigs brains, mothers first milk etc. can anyone find any scientific basis for the use of these substances in sport?

Anyway, science and research suggest AOD is a placebo at best. But it kept Dank in employment so he was happy

I've already told you what those drugs are - the pigs brain (cerebrolysin) is prescribed for dementia patients or those with brain trauma. The colostrum - isn't from a human - it's from a cow who's just given birth. It is also recommended by WADA for athletes NOT to ingest it due to it having high levels of IGF-1 (a banned substance). Nobody appears to have worried about this little tid bit at all!

 

[mxett]

You do know how to do your own research don't you? Its fairly easy to look this information up in the peer reviewed literature.

Your second point is incorrect and misleading

I am very disappointed in you

Yes I have published numerous times so I know how to undergo research.

What are you basing your second comment on?

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

"ANY Essendon player found guilty of taking banned substances could mount a compelling case to avoid suspension, a leading Melbourne sports solicitor said yesterday."

http://www.sportslawyer.com.au/lawyer-sets-out-a-defence-for-essendon.htm

But what would he know right? Delusional?

That's fantastic news for our competition, doped up players running around.

You'd be all for that wouldn't you mxett?

You certainly follow the right team.

 

[mxett]

I've already told you what those drugs are - the pigs brain (cerebrolysin) is prescribed for dementia patients or those with brain trauma. The colostrum - isn't from a human - it's from a cow who's just given birth. It is also recommended by WADA for athletes NOT to ingest it due to it having high levels of IGF-1 (a banned substance). Nobody appears to have worried about this little tid bit at all!

Essendon players haven't tested positive so obviously a high level of IGF-1 wasnt an issue, and as you've stated colostrum isn't specifically banned. Without looking it up I thought cerebrolysin was for the treatment of Parkinson's disease primarily.

 

[mxett]

That's fantastic news for our competition, doped up players running around.

You'd be all for that wouldn't you mxett?

You certainly follow the right team.

Doped up with a placebo

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Doped up with a placebo

And the size of gorillas over one per-season

 

[mxett]

And the size of gorillas over one per-season

Anecdotally speaking of course.

 

[jenny61_99]

Essendon players haven't tested positive so obviously a high level of IGF-1 wasnt an issue, and as you've stated colostrum isn't specifically banned. Without looking it up I thought cerebrolysin was for the treatment of Parkinson's disease primarily.

No, it's showing promising signs for dementia and alzheimers patients. Colostrum isn't banned but WADA says they recommend athletes DON'T TAKE IT. So what does Essendon do?

 

[maculosus]

I know it's been a long time but remember back to the beginning, when we were first introduced to AOD-9064. The head of the Aust. Co. manufacturing it said it seemed to be a failure, but then he started learning of a huge black-market for a Chinese version, and it was being bought by body-builders.

I can't believe that this happened if the drug wasn't producing results. It might have failed at what it was designed for, but it was sure improving something for the body-building fraternity. (Maybe that's how Charters learned of it)

 

[mxett]

No, it's showing promising signs for dementia and alzheimers patients. Colostrum isn't banned but WADA says they recommend athletes DON'T TAKE IT. So what does Essendon do?

They take it at levels that don't result in positive IGF-1 tests. That's wada compliant isn't it?

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I'm not sure what lawyers you've ever met but lawyers are extremely pessimistic - not optimistic.

They will always talk a case down so they look like geniuses if they do end up winning it. And if they lose it, then it was mission impossible anyway.

Hence why the positive vibes coming from Essendon are extremely comforting.

Lol yeah you're right. It's not like lawyers wanna take on any new business or anything.

But by all means, you can keep on taking comfort from little nothings

 

[Saint Shags]

It matters because people are claiming AOD is the reason essendon are 6-0.

It's also interesting that wada let Vijay Singh off for taking a clearly banned substance after realising it wasn't performance enhancing.

And yet announced his retirement once the finding was announced.....

 

[mxett]

And yet announced his retirement once the finding was announced.....

Relevance?

 

[jenny61_99]

They take it at levels that don't result in positive IGF-1 tests. That's wada compliant isn't it?

Ah yes, the famous "edge". See, got to be careful you don't misjudge or you'll end up crossing the line... oh wait...

 

[Hearts to hearts]

You do know how to do your own research don't you? Its fairly easy to look this information up in the peer reviewed literature.

Your second point is incorrect and misleading

I am very disappointed in you

You are new here, to have expectations of better.

 

[Saint Shags]

Relevance?

Seriously? Just mere coincidence? Singh has a very good rep by folders of not being the fairest of golfers.

 

[mxett]

Ah yes, the famous "edge". See, got to be careful you don't misjudge or you'll end up crossing the line... oh wait...

Indeed. I reckon it'll be a while until another afl or NRL club tries that again.

 

[mxett]

Seriously? Just mere coincidence? Singh has a very good rep by folders of not being the fairest of golfers.

Call me simple but I'm not following.

 

[Saint Shags]

Call me simple but I'm not following.

Sorry stupid autocorrect. Folders = golfers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/dev...-exactly-news-fox-sports-on-msn.htm?m_n=true#


Interesting article on the man. Oh and he got of by means of a technicality.

 

[Kickit2brown]

Apparently some bombers fans are getting "Stand By Hird" tattoos on their chests, pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Doped up with a placebo

Your smug looking avatar could almost be a poster child, but somehow I keep seeing the ashen faced version that was in the original press conference.
It is quiet obvious that Essendon have no moral scruples about using performance enhancing drugs if they can get away with it. Ie : ignore recommendations. Look for loopholes in the legislation etc etc.
Its not tax laws here, we are talking about the health of players.
Rumours suggest that the club sanctioned injections of materials sourced from dodgy chinese suppliers, that hadn't been trialed in injection form , into your players. Potential risk??? pah who cares if you get a shot at the flag and we get to look smug.