is brad ottens the 2nd best ruckman in the game ?

[geelong_crazy26]

No .
Cox then Lade .
Ottens has had 1 good yr .These other 2 are very consistent.

ottens might not be as consistant but he played a bigger role in his side winning the premiership than any other ruckman in the history of the game.How can people rate lade and mcintosh ahead of ottens when he gave them a absolute bath in the finals.

this theory is a load of crap about you need to be consistant over a number of years , how does that show who is currently better ? thats like saying that wc and sydney are currently a better side than geelong becuase they have performed better over a period if time.

players should be judged on current performance and how they are likely to play in the near future.There may be a few exceptions to this method as no method is perfect but this is only when the formula would lead to a ridiculous outcome.

 

[sexyhunk]

I rate Robbie Campbell more high then Ottens, however, might be a little bias. The work ethic in him, regardless of how the game is going is top notch. Just look at the Elimination Final last yr. Buddy gets the credit, but who started most of the run forward? it was big bob

fair enough thats your opioion, but just to let your know in case you didnt that ottens lead the league(ruckman) for hard balls gets at one stage.

pretty sure campbell is only warming the seat for renoulf and bailey anyway but you know more than me in regarding your ruck situtation....

 

[AGC]

In my opinion Ottens was the 3rd best ruckman in the season last year, behind Lade and Cox.

But Ottens has definately been inconsistant.

THis year however, with Lade another year older, and McIntosh starting to peak, McIntosh will become second best ruck (who knows, he might actually move to first- apparently he's been doing a lot of fitness/mobility work this pre-season).

Ottens will be on par with Lade as the 3rd and 4th (but that all depends on how well Sandi and White do). Consider also that Ottens impact up forward was heightened by the increadible Cats midfield, a luxury some of the other rucks don't have.

And just quietly, David Hale will usurp Brogan, Seaby and Everitt as the best backup ruckman.

 

[AGC]

ottens might not be as consistant but he played a bigger role in his side winning the premiership than any other ruckman in the history of the game.How can people rate lade and mcintosh ahead of ottens when he gave them a absolute bath in the finals.

this theory is a load of crap about you need to be consistant over a number of years , how does that show who is currently better ? thats like saying that wc and sydney are currently a better side than geelong becuase they have performed better over a period if time.

players should be judged on current performance and how they are likely to play in the near future.There may be a few exceptions to this method as no method is perfect but this is only when the formula would lead to a ridiculous outcome.

Mckernan might have something to say about that.

 

[popathon]

this is ridiculous

MATE!...grab a tape of the 2007 prelim and watch Ottens singlehandedly put Geelong into the Grand Final...and he did it around the ground...especially in the final 10 minutes

I was there and yes he was impressive but this is one game, one game where his direct opponants were Bryan and Richards. Fraser has been good around the ground since he was 18 Ottens hasn't done that. If Ottens and Fraser played further forward I would Tip Fraser to be the better player. However i'm not questioning his tap work.

 

[Partridge]

Ottens will be on par with Lade as the 3rd and 4th (but that all depends on how well Sandi and White do). Consider also that Ottens impact up forward was heightened by the increadible Cats midfield, a luxury some of the other rucks don't have.

And just quietly, David Hale will usurp Brogan, Seaby and Everitt as the best backup ruckman.

I'd actually argue Ottens had only a minimal impact up forward in 2007. He kicked 21 goals, which was nice (and incidentally, more than Cox, Lade, McIntosh, Fraser or Hale) but not outstanding. For instance he kicked 23 goals in 2005 for Geelong in 13 games, in which he was universally (and erroneously) referred to as being "disappointing".

Certainly the 21 goals were nice, but 7 other Geelong players kicked more, it was his ruckwork that made all the difference.

People can argue all they want about where he is on the pecking order. I'm just very, very happy he's playing for us.

 

[Prem87]

Ottens was a barometer for Geelong in 07. He concetrated on being a ruckman and i agree that he contributed significantly to Geelong being the 2007 premiers.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I'd actually argue Ottens had only a minimal impact up forward in 2007. He kicked 21 goals, which was nice (and incidentally, more than Cox, Lade, McIntosh, Fraser or Hale) but not outstanding. For instance he kicked 23 goals in 2005 for Geelong in 13 games, in which he was universally (and erroneously) referred to as being "disappointing".

Disagree, I reckon he was disappointing at Geelong prior to 2007. Someone definitely got into his ear last year - he showed some aggression for the first time in his career.

 

[stfan]

lade is,

Ottens handa very good one year asa ruckman come forward though, but is not the second best ruckmen in 2007.

 

[benpower]

nah mate not at all, i just put a lot of emphasis on finals performance

If thats the case, Lade would be miles ahead, as he has played many good finals, even when our finals record was bad.
You may remember his 4 first half goals against you guys in 2004 that pretty much set the tone for our finals series.
But yes Ottens is very good.

 

[Partridge]

Disagree, I reckon he was disappointing at Geelong prior to 2007. Someone definitely got into his ear last year - he showed some aggression for the first time in his career.

Fair enough. I'm not saying he was brilliant in 2005 and 2006, I'm saying he was on average good. Not great, not crap, good. Some great games, some poor ones. It seems that if he isn't dominating games, it automatically means he's substandard. People can't seem to accept that he can be a solid performer and still provide value. It's as if he doesn't star he's not worth anything.

Still, who cares. He can turn to the entire media contingent and wave a little premiership medal at them. One thoroughly deserved.

 

[Geelong2k9]

McIntosh will pwn Ottens any game this year. Then you've already got Lade as an AA so he'd be 4th at best.

Watch Qualifying Final 2007 Gold Coast Kangaroos vs. Geelong; open your eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Geelong2k9]

No it doesn't. The number one ruckman in the shittest team is still the number one ruckman. Ottens wasn't even the best ruckman in the grand final and King certainly is not the best ruckman in the league.

Who was the best ruckman then???

 

[Geelong2k9]

so that would make aaron keating a living great and the greatest ruckmen at the time in 1997 with your logic right? he hasnt been consistent for years only 2 out of his 9 where he played superbly. the rest have been mediocre at best. needs a few in a row before you can consider him 2nd best, lade, white, and fraser are better than him in terms on consistency and their eliteness.

key note here: Lade was injury prone for years, has his body right, top 2 ruck in comp; White, when body was right, one of top mobile bigmen in comp, Fraser, well.........

Ottens has his body in good nick again after a bad couple of years, see if he has another good year, then we will actually start to compare him against Cox and Lade.....


Fraser...well.....

 

[Ron The Bear]

Fair enough. I'm not saying he was brilliant in 2005 and 2006, I'm saying he was on average good. Not great, not crap, good. Some great games, some poor ones. It seems that if he isn't dominating games, it automatically means he's substandard. People can't seem to accept that he can be a solid performer and still provide value. It's as if he doesn't star he's not worth anything.

People assessed him as disappointing because they thought he was capable of better. Last year, he showed that he was.

Still, who cares. He can turn to the entire media contingent and wave a little premiership medal at them. One thoroughly deserved.

You're right about that. In the space of six months, Geelong's gone from being behind on the trade, to well ahead.

 

[MarkT]

Ottens was the second best ruckman at Geelong. Now he’s the only ruckman at Geelong – well subject to some (make that a lot of) development from Blake at least.

 

[Partridge]

Ottens was the second best ruckman at Geelong. Now he’s the only ruckman at Geelong – well subject to some (make that a lot of) development from Blake at least.

Ottens has been our number 1 for a while now. The last time it was King was in 2005.

Question: Which player out of Ottens or King played every game for Geelong in 2006, therefore shouldering the majority of the ruckwork? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't King.

Quite happy with Blake's development. Still got a lot to learn around the ground, but his tapwork is getting better all the time.

 

[MarkT]

I realise who the first chosen was but that isn’t what I said. That Ottens played as the main ruck all year is due to a combination of things not the least of which was King’s early injuries and a desire to develop Blake keeping King out later in the year. Pttens own form certainly helped. As a pure ruckman King is better. Ottens is nowhere near the second best ruckman in the comp but he does make up ground because he has agility and gets the ball around the ground and up forward.

That said if I had to keep one of King or Ottens it would have been Ottens due to versatility and age. Whether I’d let Blake dictate the list composition is another matter. He was dropped because he wasn’t good enough. If he can’t hack that and doesn’t think he could get over King and/or Ottens then I have doubts he will ever be good enough.

Blake has a LONG way to go in every department. He might get there but he’s a baby in ruck terms. I reckon Geelong are a bit vulnerable now. Geelong nearly lost the PF when Ottens rested. If he gets injured and he has had injuries in the past, Geelong will lose a fair bit of drive.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

keating didnt play as big a role as ottens did in the finals and he wasnt as good a player.

but you said whoever wins a premiership all their past is thrown in the bin and theyre arguably the best in the league. right? unless youre backpedalling.

 

[Big Nasty]

Ottens made Mcintosh look like a second rate dud in the games he played against the Kangaroos last year. So how is Mcintosh better than Ottens?

 

[LongBomb]

As a pure ruckman King is better.

4 years ago yes, but not now. Not by a long stretch.

King could barely get a game last year - was #3 behind Ottens and Blake.

 

[catempire]

The only ruckman I'd happily swap Ottens for is Cox.

Ottens has now proven an ability to turn it on in finals matches and, in the case of the Preliminary final, all but win the match of from own efforts. To have that from a ruckman is priceless.

Lade was also outstanding, but I think he might be over the crest from his best.

 

[The Casey Cat]

I realise who the first chosen was but that isn’t what I said.

Ottens was the second best ruckman at Geelong.

That is what you said.

As a pure ruckman King is better. Ottens is nowhere near the second best ruckman in the comp but he does make up ground because he has agility and gets the ball around the ground and up forward.

King can barely jump for heaven's sake! He is handy at ball ups but ranges from ordinary to useless when he needs to leap (because he can't). Go and start a poll on who people think is a 'pure ruck' (whatever that means) these days between the two and see who wins.

Whether I’d let Blake dictate the list composition is another matter. He was dropped because he wasn’t good enough. If he can’t hack that and doesn’t think he could get over King and/or Ottens then I have doubts he will ever be good enough.

Blake dictated the list? He was obviously bitterly disappointed to miss the GF (fair enough too) but as for not being able to 'hack it' after the GF - where has that seemed true? He looks noticeably bigger and stronger than last year and showed far more confidence in his disposal by foot this preseason. Looks like he has put his head down to me. As for Blake having the power to have King traded that is just ridiculous and a troll like comment. You know where to take that rubbish.

Blake has a LONG way to go in every department. He might get there but he’s a baby in ruck terms. I reckon Geelong are a bit vulnerable now. Geelong nearly lost the PF when Ottens rested. If he gets injured and he has had injuries in the past, Geelong will lose a fair bit of drive.

And finishing with a great captain obvious comment. Or the first part anyway. Geelong are no more vulnerable than at the start of last year (Ottens had been disappointing, King could not get out on the park, could not jump when he was out there) and Blake very inexperienced.

As for the prelim, yes Blake has a stinker. Like I said he has improvement in him and you will see that. He can not become complacent with his spot now King is not there. If he does Trent West (damn good young ruck we have a lot of belief in and time for) will be all over his spot and I think he knows it.