Is Buckley A Good Coach?

[jathanas]

The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5

 

[Doc1763]

If it helps you process then keep stamping your feet.

My feet are getting bloody sore!!
They will feel good when I stop though.
=<18 games to go.

 

[cityslick1]

Mitchell, Voss and Leppitsch all hate collingwood, so just can’t see them coming with any great passion to do the job. Might sound weird, but I honestly believe that.

Brad Scott won’t bother with coaching anytime soon, and Bucks is destined to follow his path to an admin role with the AFL.

it has to be a team of people, and I personally think Matthew Boyd

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will make a great head coach one day. A team of Pyle, Burns, Boyd and Kingsley would be my absolute shangri-la...

 

[Collingwood2022]

“Till then” posters will continue to call for his head after every loss.

This is true. Therefore I would suggest that the "fall on his sword" option with all the pomp and ceremony is the best course of action. For everyone.

 

[jmac70]

My feet are getting bloody sore!!
They will feel good when I stop though.
=<18 games to go.

Well you’ve got something to look forward to. Nice.

 

[jmac70]

This is true. Therefore I would suggest that the "fall on his sword" option with all the pomp and ceremony is the best course of action. For everyone.

Why would he do that?

 

[Magnanimous]

Don't think I've ever once called for Bucks to be gone, but I think I'm into that territory now.

In 2018-19 every time you heard Bucks talk at a press conference you left more impressed than what you were beforehand. All of the players were glowing in their praise for Bucks and one another.

That seems non-existent now, and the list is now in such an awkward position that we're now all growing more and more frustrated about the selection committee whenever there are failures.

As an aside however the last thing you want to do is sack a coach or have them walk away mid-season and be stuck a) with an incompetent caretaker coach (Harvey) or or b) be in desperation to find a replacement coach and potentially making the wrong call long term.

For me it has to be Sam Mitchell or Clarko. I've got no doubt Mitchell will want to coach the Hawks once Clarko is gone. Whether Clarko will want to coach elsewhere is anyone's guess. Force the Hawk's hand and get one of them to sign a contract for the 1st of October.

Wonder if the Hawks are watching the train wreck of having an ex player come back to coach.
It is inevitable that one day the relationship will sour.

Might be in Mitchell’s best interest to forge his coaching at another club.

The only way is up here, c’mon down


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[Magnanimous]

If Buckley goes, who will be the interim coach for the rest of the season?

Sanderson? Harvey? awesome


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Rather see Skipworth


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[stormskye]

Bucks ain’t getting sacked mid season. But, hopefully atleast they get in his ear and tell him play kids, you aren’t being offered another contract but feel free to stay as an assistant

 

[Magnanimous]

I agree with you, hard for a rookie coach to walk into the pressure cooker that is the Pies. Lethal had to take over earlier than planned when Rose stood down but it was a little different back then with no social media for example.

Even though many would object I would not rule out Ross Lyon as he is an utter hard ass, gets the players to play for him and won't be pushed around. Big issue is whether he can modernise his game plan as his defensive approach does not cut it anymore. He also has a tendency to not want to use the draft.

When it comes to getting a rookie, you would only consider people who have been in the gig a long time, as often these guys are hardened and very hungry to succeed. Sumich has been looked over many times, bit like Hinkley and a few others.

Would Ross Lyon come on board with a Gia or Caracalla as an understudy whilst rebuilding happens for 1-2 years and manage the rebuild then oversee the coaching when said understudy is ready to take the reigns?


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[No SPIN]

He can't coach.

he’s done everything but win a flag -and that loss was a travesty as any neutral will tell you.
He will have many Coaching offers when he leaves - so it’s just a BS statement to say he can’t Coach.

Lift your game Doc.

 

[Collingwood2022]

Why would he do that?

Well mate, bar yourself and a few other diehards out there, the consensus is that his reputation as a senior coach is well somewhat questionable. However no one can question his status as a past champion player and if we are to be genuinely honest here, many have argued/leveraged of that player status in support of his original and ongoing coaching appointments. But even that is now wearing thin. So taking the option of "falling on his sword" again with all the pomp and ceremony of his services to the club would seem to be the cleanest exit. Personally I don't really care whether he leaves early or later as his departure is now inevitable. Just thinking this might be the cleanest exit strategy.

 

[No SPIN]

Would Ross Lyon come on board with a Gia or Caracalla as an understudy whilst rebuilding happens for 1-2 years and manage the rebuild then oversee the coaching when said understudy is ready to take the reigns?


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I doubt Gia or Cara would join Lyon he has a bad reputation in how he treats assistants.

 

[Collingwood2022]

he’s done everything but win a flag -and that loss was a travesty as any neutral will tell you.
He will have many Coaching offers when he leaves - so it’s just a BS statement to say he can’t Coach.

Lift your game Doc.

I agree I think he could be offered another senior coaching gig but not so much because of his coaching prowess but rather his high level AFL profile for a club that is need of such a profile ie Gold Coast, GWS

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

I am going left field here but is Mark Williams still viable? Has the experience and has stayed in the system and been around some successful clubs since he finished as a senior coach. In the NFL he would almost be seen as in is prime.

He would be able to attract talented assistants.

Worst case if we went the rookie type, best available he would be a great assistant/mentor. Loves the Pies and always wanted to coach us.

 

[SnakePlisskin]

Bucks ain’t getting sacked mid season. But, hopefully atleast they get in his ear and tell him play kids, you aren’t being offered another contract but feel free to stay as an assistant

Agree with everything except the assistant coach part .

 

[jmac70]

Well mate, bar yourself and a few other diehards out there, the consensus is that his reputation as a senior coach is well somewhat questionable. However no one can question his status as a past champion player and if we are to be genuinely honest here, many have argued/leveraged of that player status in support of his original and ongoing coaching appointments. But even that is now wearing thin. So taking the option of "falling on his sword" again with all the pomp and ceremony of his services to the club would seem to be the cleanest exit. Personally I don't really care whether he leaves early or later as his departure is now inevitable. Just thinking this might be the cleanest exit strategy.

He doesn’t need an exit strategy, he has a contract.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

He's a sub-par match day coach.

 

[jmac70]

I am going left field here but is Mark Williams still viable? Has the experience and has stayed in the system and been around some successful clubs since he finished as a senior coach. In the NFL he would almost be seen as in is prime.

He would be able to attract talented assistants.

Worst case if we went the rookie type, best available he would be a great assistant/mentor. Loves the Pies and always wanted to coach us.

Mark Williams? That is way beyond left field!

 

[jmac70]

He's a sub-par match day coach.

Still has a winning record though.

 

[Matt_352]

In a perfect world:

Head Coach: Clarko
with Adam Kingsley

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(midfield), Dean Soloman(development), Steve Johnson(forwards) and Scott Burns

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(defence) as assistants.

 

[jmac70]

In a perfect world:

Head Coach: Clarko
with Adam Kingsley(midfield), Dean Soloman(development), Steve Johnson(forwards) and Scott Burns(defence) as assistants.

Perfect world, that’s actually funny.

 

[Rusty Beam]

In a perfect world:

Head Coach: Clarko
with Adam Kingsley(midfield), Dean Soloman(development), Steve Johnson(forwards) and Scott Burns(defence) as assistants.

I reckon that’s a really experienced group. Probably too experienced as a whole given Kingsley, Solomon and Burns would be keen to be the second banana.

I think we could look at bringing in some younger coaching talents.

Personally, in light of the ‘Do better report’, I hope we can be leaders in helping indigenous coaching aspirants break into the AFL ranks.

After hearing Jennings (I think?... or maybe it was Choco) talk about Aaron Davey he sounds really impressive and I hope we could consider him. Alwyn Davey is another.

There are also quite a few others coaching regionally who are keen to get a fair go.

 

[Collingwood2022]

He doesn’t need an exit strategy, he has a contract.

This is true but I am talking about the optics. You and I know that he won't be renewed and given that you are a clear fan of Buckley, I would have thought you would want him to exit from the club in a dignified manner. This is unlikely the longer he stays. As I said earlier, I don't care whether he stays or goes short term. The damage to the fabric of this club has already been long done and it will take many years to restore so staying another 3-4 months is irrelevant in the scheme of things.

 

[bunter]

That’s a very personal question Matt, and also a little creepy.

I agree, very creepy. You should read some of the posts from people in last weeks post game thread, really creepy as well.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

This is my early shortlist. Doesn't neccessarily mean I endorse all of them but they will be mentioned I'm sure.

Coaches with senior AFL coaching experience

• Alastair Clarkson
• Don Pyke
• Ross Lyon
• Brad Scott
• Michael Voss
• Justin Leppitsch

Assistant coaches

• Sam Mitchell
• Adam Kingsley
• Blake Caracella
• Scott Burns
• Adem Yze

Clarkson is unlikely, but it's worth asking the question.

I think Pyke and Kingsley are appealing prospects.