Is Buckley A Good Coach?

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The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

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Look at our situation without prejudice.

We have lost 2 games this year by 1 point (to top sides) have beaten 2 weak sides, and have lost without a lot of leeway to the others.

We are fielding teams that don't look very good at all from the centre forward. The trade debacle and the cleanout of depth players left us with no leeway for injuries, and we have had injuries to our best players.

Our three best midfielders are gone, or past their peak. We are left with Adams as the sole top line midfielder. Daicos is developing, but a year away from this standard.

Despite these things, the team has a real go each week. There is a lack of confidence in team mates, that goes with a poor win loss ratio. The team is far more competitive than I would expect. Our team sheet would suggest regular floggings with the occasional decent showing. (Look at North Melbourne). Instead, we always look threatening, and each week we can finger a couple of events that could have given us a win if they went the other way. (Missed shots at goal, errant passes etc).

All of this suggests to me that Buckley is a far better match day coach than is generally believed. Especially since he has not had a single year without major injuries to key (rather than reasonable) players.

There is a lot wrong at Collingwood, but the coach is not one of these things.
 
kickitolachie said:
Look at our situation without prejudice.

We have lost 2 games this year by 1 point (to top sides) have beaten 2 weak sides, and have lost without a lot of leeway to the others.

We are fielding teams that don't look very good at all from the centre forward. The trade debacle and the cleanout of depth players left us with no leeway for injuries, and we have had injuries to our best players.

Our three best midfielders are gone, or past their peak. We are left with Adams as the sole top line midfielder. Daicos is developing, but a year away from this standard.

Despite these things, the team has a real go each week. There is a lack of confidence in team mates, that goes with a poor win loss ratio. The team is far more competitive than I would expect. Our team sheet would suggest regular floggings with the occasional decent showing. (Look at North Melbourne). Instead, we always look threatening, and each week we can finger a couple of events that could have given us a win if they went the other way. (Missed shots at goal, errant passes etc).

All of this suggests to me that Buckley is a far better match day coach than is generally believed. Especially since he has not had a single year without major injuries to key (rather than reasonable) players.

There is a lot wrong at Collingwood, but the coach is not one of these things.
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I agree,
Buckley has gotten the best out of our list,
Also lost some great assistants along the way,
Having no plan to look to the future and player contracts surly that's part of his job.
EG:Ben Reid should have been de listed years ago,as should have others.
Perhaps Bucks got greedy thinking he had a plan for short term success,after 2018.
Who knows.
 
magpie_marty said:
I agree,
Buckley has gotten the best out of our list,
Also lost some great assistants along the way,
Having no plan to look to the future and player contracts surly that's part of his job.
EG:Ben Reid should have been de listed years ago,as should have others.
Perhaps Bucks got greedy thinking he had a plan for short term success,after 2018.
Who knows.
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I have a feeling that the keeping of some players could be attributed to two things... one was trying to get the best outcome with that group of players and the second is probably loyalty by buckley. I put scharenberg, broomhead and Reid on that list. Had we won a premiership, you wouldnt have heard a squeak.
However, I think the pro-buckley people are forgetting that he has gathered a lot of baggage to carry around over the last decade. A new coach might give everyone a chance to start afresh. The debate about whether buckley shoulders responsibility for list decisions etc, will become a non-event if someone new takes over.
 

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Markfs said:
I have a feeling that the keeping of some players could be attributed to two things... one was trying to get the best outcome with that group of players and the second is probably loyalty by buckley. I put scharenberg, broomhead and Reid on that list. Had we won a premiership, you wouldnt have heard a squeak.
However, I think the pro-buckley people are forgetting that he has gathered a lot of baggage to carry around over the last decade. A new coach might give everyone a chance to start afresh. The debate about whether buckley shoulders responsibility for list decisions etc, will become a non-event if someone new takes over.
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Would keeping such players on the list clogged the salary?
As you mentioned Reid,Broomhead,Sharenburg etc
 
jathanas said:
I largely agree but also feel that this is greatly simplifying things. We were defensively minded in 2018 as well, just exponentially more effective in attack.

Bottom line, we are currently favouring a possession style game in instances when it is to the team's detriment to do so. We all agree.

I'm open to a coaching change but shifting all the blame to Buckley for every single thing that we don't like during games is wrong.
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I think we more attacking by necessity that year, we were using scharenberg, howe and Langdon as undersized kpd's for a lot of the year
 
kickitolachie said:
Look at our situation without prejudice.

We have lost 2 games this year by 1 point (to top sides) have beaten 2 weak sides, and have lost without a lot of leeway to the others.

We are fielding teams that don't look very good at all from the centre forward. The trade debacle and the cleanout of depth players left us with no leeway for injuries, and we have had injuries to our best players.

Our three best midfielders are gone, or past their peak. We are left with Adams as the sole top line midfielder. Daicos is developing, but a year away from this standard.

Despite these things, the team has a real go each week. There is a lack of confidence in team mates, that goes with a poor win loss ratio. The team is far more competitive than I would expect. Our team sheet would suggest regular floggings with the occasional decent showing. (Look at North Melbourne). Instead, we always look threatening, and each week we can finger a couple of events that could have given us a win if they went the other way. (Missed shots at goal, errant passes etc).

All of this suggests to me that Buckley is a far better match day coach than is generally believed. Especially since he has not had a single year without major injuries to key (rather than reasonable) players.

There is a lot wrong at Collingwood, but the coach is not one of these things.
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The only reason why we haven't lost by very much or given leeway to other sides.. is Buckley has made his defensive style of game his entire ethos.. when it should only be used as a permit.. hence why we never score highly.. nor do we ever concede highly.. but the ascendancy will always be with the opposition side.

If he's made it his entire ethos.. what are the costs? Play safe.. no risk.. no surprise.. no gifts.. no ballet.. he has set himself limits on the players.. when he should just let them rip.

I've never felt in the course of the 10 yrs he's been coaching.. that he has ever really truly allowed the players the opportunity to trust each other.. and what happens when a player doesn't trust another player.. you're lost. Are the players to blame.. no.. it's not their fault.

It's been like that for a hell of a long time.
 
BringouttheGimp said:
The only reason why we haven't lost by very much or given leeway to other sides.. is Buckley has made his defensive style of game his entire ethos.. when it should only be used as a permit.. hence why we never score highly.. nor do we ever concede highly.. but the ascendancy will always be with the opposition side.

If he's made it his entire ethos.. what are the costs? Play safe.. no risk.. no surprise.. no gifts.. no ballet.. he has set himself limits on the players.. when he should just let them rip.

I've never felt in the course of the 10 yrs he's been coaching.. that he has ever really truly allowed the players the opportunity to trust each other.. and what happens when a player doesn't trust another player.. you're lost. Are the players to blame.. no.. it's not their fault.

It's been like that for a hell of a long time.
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Hold on here - let's get this right-- are you somehow suggesting that the head coach should be held accountable for the team's performance?

You're getting a bit radical here- surely the assistant s (those paid less) should be held responsible for team performance?

Nathan is accountable for the main things - diversity, social justice, equity etc..
 
BringouttheGimp said:
I miss Monte Carlo.. so will head back there for a yr.. en route.. back home.. to Greece. I'll still support the lads.. the black and white.. but I will not support Buckley. So time away without spending time away more or less.
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Didn’t realise they had back backers hostel in Monte Carlo. Take care. Watch the bedbugs.
 
kickitolachie said:
Look at our situation without prejudice.

We have lost 2 games this year by 1 point (to top sides) have beaten 2 weak sides, and have lost without a lot of leeway to the others.

We are fielding teams that don't look very good at all from the centre forward. The trade debacle and the cleanout of depth players left us with no leeway for injuries, and we have had injuries to our best players.

Our three best midfielders are gone, or past their peak. We are left with Adams as the sole top line midfielder. Daicos is developing, but a year away from this standard.

Despite these things, the team has a real go each week. There is a lack of confidence in team mates, that goes with a poor win loss ratio. The team is far more competitive than I would expect. Our team sheet would suggest regular floggings with the occasional decent showing. (Look at North Melbourne). Instead, we always look threatening, and each week we can finger a couple of events that could have given us a win if they went the other way. (Missed shots at goal, errant passes etc).

All of this suggests to me that Buckley is a far better match day coach than is generally believed. Especially since he has not had a single year without major injuries to key (rather than reasonable) players.

There is a lot wrong at Collingwood, but the coach is not one of these things.
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Google “without prejudice”


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sideswipe said:
Exactly. It’s a term of art. It has no other meaning.


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exactly not!
The term "without Prejudice" is a legal term when written in a legal context. Not outside of that.
The two words "without" and "prejudice" existed well before they were ever put on a legal letter. The two words put into a non legal context still mean exactly what they say. e.g. "try to think about it "without prejudice"". Sorry Lawyers but you can't own our words.
Plus: Another word for "term of art" is Jargon and indeed a term of art can have multiple meaning... Google it: "a term a word or phrase that has a specific or precise meaning within a given discipline or field and might have a different meaning in common usage":
 
Scritchyscroony said:
exactly not!
The term "without Prejudice" is a legal term when written in a legal context. Not outside of that.
The two words "without" and "prejudice" existed well before they were ever put on a legal letter. The two words put into a non legal context still mean exactly what they say. e.g. "try to think about it "without prejudice"". Sorry Lawyers but you can't own our words.
Plus: Another word for "term of art" is Jargon and indeed a term of art can have multiple meaning... Google it: "a term a word or phrase that has a specific or precise meaning within a given discipline or field and might have a different meaning in common usage":
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Language changes - the legal jargon killed other WP off. Good work though.


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sideswipe said:
Language changes - the legal jargon killed other WP off. Good work though.


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no it didn't.
Proof of life is right here in the original post you responded to.

I'm going to say it all the time now to annoy you.
If only you could look at this from a non lawyerly perspective you could be without prejudice on the issue. So Indigent!
 
NMBB said:
Hold on here - let's get this right-- are you somehow suggesting that the head coach should be held accountable for the team's performance?

You're getting a bit radical here- surely the assistant s (those paid less) should be held responsible for team performance?

Nathan is accountable for the main things - diversity, social justice, equity etc..
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😂
 
magpie_marty said:
Would keeping such players on the list clogged the salary?
As you mentioned Reid,Broomhead,Sharenburg etc
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i think a lot of them are overpaid... i think that collingwood does that.... i dont know why i say that. I haven't got any evidence but I just think the browns would be overpaid, nathan murphy and most of the players who have been there for a few years. i would be paying a lot of them bargaining agreement salaries, and if they want to look elsewhere, feel free...

treloar wasnt the only one who was overpaid...and if you believe the story about phillips, what were they thinking?

you would think that with the players that were traded or dropped off the list last year, the club would have to give some players bonuses to get the cap up to 95%.... but it doesnt seem that way.
 
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