Is Buckley A Good Coach?

[jathanas]

The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5

 

[NMBB]

The 2010 premiership team had 2226 games combined.

The 2021 team that lost to GWS had 2686 combined.....

After 2010 Buckley said words to the effect - "this team has only just begun to realise its potential".
Thanks for the dynasty Cwood.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

1 good yr in 10.
1 good game in 11.
11-1 = 10 bad games. 10 yrs later.

Very very interesting.

Sack him!!!

 

[jackcass]

Why have we played like this for about 2 years?

Yep, played the same way in 2019 and 2020. Got us to a PF and a SF. Difference is cattle and the ability to execute.

 

[gouki88]

Yep, played the same way in 2019 and 2020. Got us to a PF and a SF. Difference is cattle and the ability to execute.

I also think the new rule changes (chiefly the man on the mark rule) have mitigated the effectiveness of defensive gameplans. Geelong get away with it because they've got two of the best KPFs of the generation and a stacked midfield, but I can't think of any other winning team that plays defensively

 

[jackcass]

The 2010 premiership team had 2226 games combined.

The 2021 team that lost to GWS had 2686 combined.....

Yep. So? Are you saying we should be a grand finalist with this team?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Yep. So? Are you saying we should be a grand finalist with this team?

No..

He's saying we missed out on a dynasty with the 2010 team.. and missed out on at least 1 more premiership yrs later.

No guessing who steared us away from both.

 

[makethat2]

Yep, played the same way in 2019 and 2020. Got us to a PF and a SF. Difference is cattle and the ability to execute.

2019 was shocking. Cost us a grand final spot against GWS in the preliminary.

 

[jackcass]

I also think the new rule changes (chiefly the man on the mark rule) have mitigated the effectiveness of defensive gameplans. Geelong get away with it because they've got two of the best KPFs of the generation and a stacked midfield, but I can't think of any other winning team that plays defensively

No doubt that rule change has impacted. I think what get's ignored is that teams can be forced to play a certain way by their opposition. Richmond Q1 against Adelaide, Doggies against the Dees both examples. Nobody questions the gameplans of either of those sides even though they were forced to play exactly as we do for periods of games. I think we have the capacity to play attacking footy, just as the Cats do, and it's what the coaches are trying to implement. Our 1st quarter against Port, our last quarter against the Cats. But hitting that switch relies on the on-field decision making of the player group, and the sustained workrate to maintain it, and skill execution. I think a lot of the ebb and flow in our movement is largely dictated by that decision making and our execution, not game plan as many BF experts suggest.

 

[jackcass]

2019 was shocking. Cost us a grand final spot against GWS in the preliminary.

Our inability to capitalise from periods of sustained dominance in the last quarter cost us a spot in the GF. Ball was anchored in our half of the ground and we couldn't manufacture a goal from it.

 

[jackcass]

No..

He's saying we missed out on a dynasty with the 2010 team.. and missed out on at least 1 more premiership yrs later.

No guessing who steared us away from both.

Bloody MM!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Bloody MM!

Beautiful people.. NB and EM.

 

[Maggie5]

No doubt that rule change has impacted. I think what get's ignored is that teams can be forced to play a certain way by their opposition. Richmond Q1 against Adelaide, Doggies against the Dees both examples. Nobody questions the gameplans of either of those sides even though they were forced to play exactly as we do for periods of games. I think we have the capacity to play attacking footy, just as the Cats do, and it's what the coaches are trying to implement. Our 1st quarter against Port, our last quarter against the Cats. But hitting that switch relies on the on-field decision making of the player group, and the sustained workrate to maintain it, and skill execution. I think a lot of the ebb and flow in our movement is largely dictated by that decision making and our execution, not game plan as many BF experts suggest.

Think the decision making by some of our players would improve greatly if not for having another 18 opposition players out there.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

The entire football world is criticising our game plan.. parking the bus and moving it like slugs sideways and backwards looking for 100% assurities.. apparently the opposition is responsible for our dog's breakfast of a game plan.. apparently it's all too difficult to take a punt and launch the pill forward to a one on one.. how dare we do that.. football sacrilege.

 

[Mooresome]

For all you lovely pie supporters who are struggling with the correct answer to this thread,
The answer is NO !!!! , you are welcome.

 

[Maggie5]

Everyone in the world reads Big Footy?

 

[Maggie5]

For all you lovely pie supporters who are struggling with the correct answer to this thread,
The answer is NO !!!! , you are welcome.

I don't like the word no, you miss out on so much.

 

[ZEV]

Yep. So? Are you saying we should be a grand finalist with this team?

Nope just pointing out the experience differential

 

[frizzle]

So you think, spending his entire career at Haw working with the greatest Coach of a generation gives him no insight in what’s needed in a Coach.

If he’s not qualified with that background then who is?

Yes I like Sam Mitchell for the same reason, but apparently it doesn't work that way if it's Sam Mitchell.

 

[kickitolachie]

This thread has long been at a stalemate. There is a group who blame the coach for our parlous situation and seem to believe that a change of coach will change our fortunes. There is a group that doesn't see the coach as the main cause of the malaise, but looks at the other factors that are in play. Neither of these groups take any notice whatsoever of the opposing group's arguments.

Then there is the bulk of Collingwood supporters that realizes that none of us know. We hear the noisy fallout, and wonder if there is fire where there is so much smoke, but all we really are looking for is improvement. We have few facts. We can see that the list is in dire straits, but have to guess where the fault lies.

It was perhaps instructive to watch the skills of Footscray fall apart under Melbourne's pressure. Our team is like that every week and fails in similar ways. Perhaps the message is that the problem is simply not enough talented players. Beveridge certainly wasn't telling his players to chip across the field to go slow. It was to find a way past the crush. Even his players failed.

I would love to see our players blast past opponents with pace and sublime skills. Unfortunately, they have to try and grind their way past because not enough of them have the ability to do that. The answer lies in recruiting better players, and that is a slow process, made worse by our management failings.

Clarkson's reputation is built on the star players that Hawthorn recruited and bought in. He had a lot of them for a long time. He would not, I suspect, have had the same success with North Melbourne's list. Players make coaches.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

2 premiership windows.. gone!

Extend his contract for a 3rd crack?

Players wasted by the coach * 2.

Let's not make it 3.

If we extend his contract.. it should be with the view of building towards a premiership.. snow flakes chance in hell I'd give him a 3rd crack at it.. has any coach in vfl/afl history been given that chance?

2 attempts at it.. micromanagement of players over creativity and flair = 0/10.

You've had your chance Buckley.. and we're fed up with your game plan.. it's not only this yr.. the writing was on the wall going all the way back to 2012.

 

[loki04]

Yep, played the same way in 2019 and 2020. Got us to a PF and a SF. Difference is cattle and the ability to execute.

Played pias poor both years and never really in it, bloody relied on another team losing to make the 8 ffs.

 

[jackcass]

Nope just pointing out the experience differential

Interesting you cherry picked the GWS game when we had the least number of <50 players (6) for the season and 9 >150 games players, in fact every player on our list with over 150 games.

 

[magpie_marty]

2019 was shocking. Cost us a grand final spot against GWS in the preliminary.

I felt pain we missed the GF in 2019,but at the same time felt relief.

 

[stormskye]

Remember everyone. 2018 was all bucks. But 2020 and 2021 and all the other shit ones have nothing to do with him.

 

[Maggie5]

Remember everyone. 2018 was all bucks. But 2020 and 2021 and all the other sh*t ones have nothing to do with him.

Gee how long have you been posting in this thread? When the succession plan was first announced it has always been Buckley's fault.