Is Geelong more of a failure than University, St Kilda and Freo?

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I kind of liken Geelong as the subject of that little piece quoted to Rabbi Krustovski by Lisa in the episode where Krusty the clown meets his father. Substituting Geelong for the Jews as mentioned in that little trieste by Sammy Davis Jr, Geelong by and large have always faced the bigger (Melbourne) clubs bravely and put up the good fight. Always daring to be different, maybe eccentric, maybe falling at more hurdles recently than some sides...although Pie fans should realise they have lost many more than six Grand Finals in the period encompassing 40 years or so from our most recent respective flags.

But Geelong has come through. Crap being spouted that Geelong has won just a single flag in this era is pretty limp given that we have only traversed two and a third seasons. We have done weel enough to have our own stadium that earns us money rather than forking out big bucks for the priviledge of playing at Telstra Dome (I will always refer to it as that, just as i call 'Westfield' Bay City Plaza instead). We also play all our home games in the same state as well. We have finished no lower than 12th ever in our history, and have won no fewer than six games in a season since 1971. Other clubs whinge about missing out on priority picks and lament bad draft picks, while we score with a handful of 7's and 8's players like Selwood, Bartel, Corey and Mackie.

We are also a club that obviously breeds sons of players that are keen to play for the jumper. We embrace the father-son rule, and apart from Ben Cousins, we generally succeed in having the son play for us. Some good, some bad, but most will have a go. And Geelong gives them a go as well.

And for those Demon fans who measure celebrate victories like a vagrant picking up a $1 coin from the ground outside a bus stop, the fact we have currently got 50 wins in 53 games is a source of pride to me and i bet all Cat fans. Yes, the 50's and 60's were a grand old time for the Dees, but we have never had to wait 23 years to even make the finals from 1965 to 1987. We at least have got within 10 goals of several of our Grand Final losses, unlike the Dees. And we at least are Geelong, born and bred in our own town, and still there to this day, as we have been for now 150 years. At worst Geelong is like the good samaritan getting a punch in the nose and a kick in the head for piping up having a go, whereas some other clubs's supporters simply like to run with the bully, and be yes men, unwilling to live for their own glories, but merely to ride the coat-tales of the big man on campus, claiming for themselves empty victories devoid of honour.

I'll gladly take my Cats thanks, irrespective of whatever slings and arrows arae tossed at us.
 
The only thing that matters is the premiership cup in the trophy cabinet. Dominate all you want in the H&A but by god don't trip up in the finals.

Geelong supporters would just about start barracking for the Solomon Dockers if they didn't win this year.

St Kilda supporters should not be knocking any team in regards to success. Was Molly even born when you won your last :D ? With the Saints history of stuffing things up, I'd be keeping a lid on it down at Moorabbin!
 

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I kind of liken Geelong as the subject of that little piece quoted to Rabbi Krustovski by Lisa in the episode where Krusty the clown meets his father. Substituting Geelong for the Jews as mentioned in that little trieste by Sammy Davis Jr, Geelong by and large have always faced the bigger (Melbourne) clubs bravely and put up the good fight. Always daring to be different, maybe eccentric, maybe falling at more hurdles recently than some sides...although Pie fans should realise they have lost many more than six Grand Finals in the period encompassing 40 years or so from our most recent respective flags.

But Geelong has come through. Crap being spouted that Geelong has won just a single flag in this era is pretty limp given that we have only traversed two and a third seasons. We have done weel enough to have our own stadium that earns us money rather than forking out big bucks for the priviledge of playing at Telstra Dome (I will always refer to it as that, just as i call 'Westfield' Bay City Plaza instead). We also play all our home games in the same state as well. We have finished no lower than 12th ever in our history, and have won no fewer than six games in a season since 1971. Other clubs whinge about missing out on priority picks and lament bad draft picks, while we score with a handful of 7's and 8's players like Selwood, Bartel, Corey and Mackie.

We are also a club that obviously breeds sons of players that are keen to play for the jumper. We embrace the father-son rule, and apart from Ben Cousins, we generally succeed in having the son play for us. Some good, some bad, but most will have a go. And Geelong gives them a go as well.

And for those Demon fans who measure celebrate victories like a vagrant picking up a $1 coin from the ground outside a bus stop, the fact we have currently got 50 wins in 53 games is a source of pride to me and i bet all Cat fans. Yes, the 50's and 60's were a grand old time for the Dees, but we have never had to wait 23 years to even make the finals from 1965 to 1987. We at least have got within 10 goals of several of our Grand Final losses, unlike the Dees. And we at least are Geelong, born and bred in our own town, and still there to this day, as we have been for now 150 years. At worst Geelong is like the good samaritan getting a punch in the nose and a kick in the head for piping up having a go, whereas some other clubs's supporters simply like to run with the bully, and be yes men, unwilling to live for their own glories, but merely to ride the coat-tales of the big man on campus, claiming for themselves empty victories devoid of honour.

I'll gladly take my Cats thanks, irrespective of whatever slings and arrows arae tossed at us.

Well said, Catsace :thumbsu::thumbsu:
I particularly liekd the bit about being proud of winning 50 out of 53. It is very easy in the light of the devastating loss in 2008 to try and sully our achievements, but to go and watch the group of young men perform so well, week in week out over 2.5 years so far is remarkable, enjoyable and envieable.
FYI to the Hawks supporter who said it's all about the Trophy Cabinet. To some degree it is, I agree...and we have been filling it up of late, and hope to continue...but there is more to a team than that.
It is pride, flair, a refusal to "bottom out" like some clubs (that is one thing I respect Sheedy and Essendon for over the last 20 odd years as well), and the way the club conducts itself on and off the field. I am as proud of Steve Johnson and the way the club handled him when he was misbehaving as I am of the 2007 flag.
So Geelong is not a failure...far from it...it is a financially viable, competitive football club with a bright future.
So in closing...you'se can all get ****ed!
 
The only thing that matters is the premiership cup in the trophy cabinet. Dominate all you want in the H&A but by god don't trip up in the finals.

Going by that, Geelong is more of a success than University, St Kilda and Fremantle combined. Easily answered.
 
oh please... we have won a premiership with this current side plus only lost 3 games in almost 2.5 years! We will be top 2 this year with only losing maybe 2 or 3 games (again) and revenge last year's GF loss. EASY as that!
 
oh please... we have won a premiership with this current side plus only lost 3 games in almost 2.5 years! We will be top 2 this year with only losing maybe 2 or 3 games (again) and revenge last year's GF loss. EASY as that!

Just name the club and margin so we can bookmark it :thumbsu:
 

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We have dominated short time periods, but we've been the most consistent premiership winners in the comp with little time between drinks. Our current dry strech would be one of the longest - a testament to our continual competitiveness.

Collingwood and Melbourne absolutely dominated, but have been useless for 50 years. Carlton has always been up there.

Save for 2002 to 2008. 2009 still a ?

Looking at this thread, the Cat nuffy's are correct.

Possibly the greatest H & A team in history.

Try debating what matters more to Essendon and carlton supporters.
 
Comrades.

I have never warmed to Geelong. Perhaps my dislike is attributable to their moniker ‘The Cats’ (could it be any worse?), their Plain-Jane jumper and all the yokels who live in the village itself.

Etc.

Biffinator.

Quite true they have never dominated an era and despite being in the competition for longer than Fitzroy they still have fewer premierships. And you are also correct when you point out how disappointing they are with respect to their immeasurable home-ground advantage.

The mediocrity did bubble away and may have surfaced briefly in 2007 but the mediocrity returned with vengeance last year? A 49 point victory in 1963 followed by 43 years of nothing. Does this mean that their 119 pt victory will be followed by 113 years of nothing. Well, we’ve had 1 year of nothing and we only have 112 more years to wait.

Upon reflection, and considering their entire history, they are a failure.
 
Quite true they have never dominated an era and despite being in the competition for longer than Fitzroy they still have fewer premierships. And you are also correct when you point out how disappointing they are with respect to their immeasurable home-ground advantage.

The mediocrity did bubble away and may have surfaced briefly in 2007 but the mediocrity returned with vengeance last year? A 49 point victory in 1963 followed by 43 years of nothing. Does this mean that their 119 pt victory will be followed by 113 years of nothing. Well, we’ve had 1 year of nothing and we only have 112 more years to wait.

Upon reflection, and considering their entire history, they are a failure.

A power supporter lecturing on failure? Must be like the sting of so many wet lettuce leaves to Geelong supporters.
 
Quite true they have never dominated an era and despite being in the competition for longer than Fitzroy they still have fewer premierships. And you are also correct when you point out how disappointing they are with respect to their immeasurable home-ground advantage.

As opposed to Port since they've been in the AFL who consistently finished top only to not go on with it, despite having an immeasurable home ground advantage.

I would also like to point out how disappointing they have been.

BTW, you could be the first Port supporter to troll Geelong and mention 119 in the same sentence.
 
Being the only club from a one team town for the best part of 85 years in the VFL for starters

This is the stupidest argument ever from a Hawk supporter and that is saying something.

The G21 area (geelong) has a population counted in 2008 as 211,000.

Melbourne and surrounds has a population of almost 4,000,000.

Do the sums that means the 9 Melbourne teams have a greater populace per team than Geelong - that is of course if it is all geographically based and anybody whose arms have evolved to a point where their knuckles don't drag behind them will know it's a flawed argument.

Geelong have small home attendances due to the size of their ground but still make a $650,000 profit (not turnover...profit) from a 15,000 strong crowd. The poor suckers at Etihad stadium don't get that return with a 35,000 crowd.

And the cats, unlike a club you'd be very familiar with, haven't had to sell their soul in a whole new state to earn a few bucks. We have at least kept our heritage.
 
Quite true they have never dominated an era and despite being in the competition for longer than Fitzroy they still have fewer premierships. And you are also correct when you point out how disappointing they are with respect to their immeasurable home-ground advantage.

The mediocrity did bubble away and may have surfaced briefly in 2007 but the mediocrity returned with vengeance last year? A 49 point victory in 1963 followed by 43 years of nothing. Does this mean that their 119 pt victory will be followed by 113 years of nothing. Well, we’ve had 1 year of nothing and we only have 112 more years to wait.

Upon reflection, and considering their entire history, they are a failure.

In Port Power's 12 years they've accomplished what no other has in the 112 years of VFL/AFL...and 100+ point Grand Final defeat. Its a shame that Port, with such a rich history (albiet in the equivalent of a ressies league), lost all the tradition in three hours. Its clear they've never recovered. The crowds have had enough, the sponsors have had enough. Its time to pull the plug on this failed enterprise known as Port Power est 1996.
 
Please continue on naming the 'many many' players who chose Geelong because it's a country town. (and don't make them up)

Ken Hinkley, Billy Brownless, Brian Peake, Ronnie Burns, Mark Bairstow, Polly Farmer, John Barnes, Brad Ottens, Mitchell White, Bruce Lindner, Denis Marshall and every young player they ever recruited from the Western Districts and Riverina

Plus the hundreds (thousands?) of players Geelong has been able to recruit from local leagues

Hoffy's argument is bogus.

Which players knocked back an offer from Geelong because it was a hick town and full of bogans?
 
Ken Hinkley, Billy Brownless, Brian Peake, Ronnie Burns, Mark Bairstow, Polly Farmer, John Barnes, Brad Ottens, Mitchell White, Bruce Lindner, Denis Marshall and every young player they ever recruited from the Western Districts and Riverina

Plus the hundreds (thousands?) of players Geelong has been able to recruit from local leagues

Hoffy's argument is bogus.

Which players knocked back an offer from Geelong because it was a hick town and full of bogans?

Who knows? You'd have to ask the individuals themselves. Did all the players you name knock back offers from city clubs deliberately to play 'country' football at Geelong (despite Geelong being hardly country at all)?

For what it's worth, my older brother knocked back an AFL career at Geelong for that reason. Pretty sure he wouldn't be the only one.

Also, again, there's no reason why other clubs couldn't poach players from local leagues around Geelong. There's as much football (per capita) played out in the sticks around Geelong as there is in metro Melbourne, not to mention the outskirts as well for the Melbourne clubs to take advantage of.
 
Ken Hinkley, Billy Brownless, Brian Peake, Ronnie Burns, Mark Bairstow, Polly Farmer, John Barnes, Brad Ottens, Mitchell White, Bruce Lindner, Denis Marshall and every young player they ever recruited from the Western Districts and Riverina

Plus the hundreds (thousands?) of players Geelong has been able to recruit from local leagues

Hoffy's argument is bogus.

Which players knocked back an offer from Geelong because it was a hick town and full of bogans?


add Mark Jackson to that list
 
Who knows? You'd have to ask the individuals themselves. Did all the players you name knock back offers from city clubs deliberately to play 'country' football at Geelong (despite Geelong being hardly country at all)?
Look, we're just arguing semantics. All I'm saying is that for every 15 players who were lured to the "big smoke" to play football, you'd get at least one country kid who preferred to base himself around the less hectic Geelong/Ocean Grove/Barwon River/Torquay region.

Fair comment?

For what it's worth, my older brother knocked back an AFL career at Geelong for that reason. Pretty sure he wouldn't be the only one.
I was just trying to wind people up when I described Geelong as a hick town, full of bogans...

I have friends who live there! :D

Also, again, there's no reason why other clubs couldn't poach players from local leagues around Geelong. There's as much football (per capita) played out in the sticks around Geelong as there is in metro Melbourne, not to mention the outskirts as well for the Melbourne clubs to take advantage of.
The point is, Geelong's relative geographic isolation has worked in their favour when it comes to recruiting good, young footballers. Guns like Hocking, Couch, Bews, Stoneham... right under your noses.

Other clubs might've been able to poach players, except clubs didn't have the resources and recruiting networks to cover all regions around Australia. Your club had all the past players and diehard fans living in the area and kept a close eye on all the likely kids.

It's like the SA and WA clubs right now. No reason why Victorian clubs don't recruit gun ruckmen like Dean Cox, Aaron Sandilands, Brendon Lade and Dean Brogan from the rookie pool.... but for some reason, it just doesn't happen....

I hate all the whiny talk about where clubs get their players from. All the bullshit directed at my club for "tanking" and "bottoming out". All the crap directed at Geelong for "father son" picks. Our clubs have both profited in different ways from the AFL rules, but who gives a shit? It's not like either of our clubs have rorted the system.

My initial post was more of a clarification of your idea that the Geelong has suffered because of it's location, or had to work harder at recruiting players. Untrue, in my opinion.
 

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