Play Nice Is Gil really this much of a fool? Jobe's Brownlow and the commission's "hard" decision.

[jenny61_99]

Can you prove his performances during that year were somehow enhanced?

Can you prove they weren't?

The fact they have been found guilty of doping - because they were injected with a drug/drugs that were banned that year, is all you need to know.

 

[Gypsy King]

Jobe should have the brownlow medal taken off him, and it should be given to Moana Hope. Forget the drugs; he only won it because he's a privileged, white, cis-gender, hetero male.

I'm sure he'll be fine with that outcome.

Mo should get the medal just for being a future Collingwood hall of famer.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

Can you prove they weren't?

The fact they have been found guilty of doping - because they were injected with a drug/drugs that were banned that year, is all you need to know.

All other arguments aside, I don't really think that a person should have to prove their own innocence to a court as a general rule.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

How about - he scored nearly twice as many Brownlow votes as in any other year he has played?

He had more disposals, goals, clearances, contested possessions than any other year.

It's the only year he didn't miss a single game.

Now, this could be co-incidence. Every player has a career year sometime. But......

He's been accused of taking drugs for the 2012 season and the 2012 season only. Sure looks enhanced to me.

I'd argue that most Brownlow medalists had more disposals, goals, clearances etc. in their Brownlow year than other years.

 

[The_Ru]

The dilemma for Gil is he knows they should strip Watson of his medal, but if they do this, for the first time the AFL will be seen to be taking a stance against illicit drugs. Up to now, they've pretended there's no problem.

He thinks doing the correct thing is brave, I think not doing the right thing is gutless.

This has nothing to do with illicit drugs. It's a PED issue.

 

[The_Ru]

Can you prove his performances during that year were somehow enhanced?

That's entirely beside the point. He'd be ineligible even if they hindered his performance.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

That's entirely beside the point. He'd be ineligible even if they hindered his performance.

People still try to argue it as fact. I'm not convinced so easily.

 

[The_Ru]

People still try to argue it as fact. I'm not convinced so easily.

But it has zero bearing on whether he retains the Brownlow and simply deflects the argument.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

But it has zero bearing on whether he retains the Brownlow and simply deflects the argument.

But one might be able to determine who was the best player in 2012. Jobe still holds that title at the very least.

 

[basashi]

Can you prove his performances during that year were somehow enhanced?

That logical step is passed when the drug is banned. Seriously, of all the arguments I have ever heard to make excuses for a guilty, complicit drug cheat this has to take the cake as the most intellectually feeble.

 

[Sprout]

People still try to argue it as fact. I'm not convinced so easily.

Don't ever change your username. It's perfect.

 

[Reppie]

Gil is on about $1.7m a year to talk about footy all day, go to junket after junket, and mingle with the elite. He also married a spunk who's dad owned Spotless and is a deadset multi.

More fool him hey?

Not much use with no testicles.

 

[chiwigi]

But one might be able to determine who was the best player in 2012. Jobe still holds that title at the very least.

And fairest.

 

[The_Ru]

But one might be able to determine who was the best player in 2012. Jobe still holds that title at the very least.

In the same way that Lance Armstrong was the best cyclist in the TDF.

 

[JeffDunne]

If Jobe's moral compass was pointing in the right direction then he'd just give it back.

 

[Gypsy King]

If Jobe's moral compass was pointing in the right direction then he'd just give it back.

Given the club he plays for - are you surprised he is a little loose with his morals?

 

[fleabitten]

Taking away the brownlow is an easy decision. The hard one is whether Essendon take away his club B & F. It's time for this club to stand up.

So Zaharakis wins by default?

 

[Bomberblitzer]

That logical step is passed when the drug is banned. Seriously, of all the arguments I have ever heard to make excuses for a guilty, complicit drug cheat this has to take the cake as the most intellectually feeble.

A drug might be banned but won't necessarily provide a tangible benefit. I'm not making excuses, simply asking whether people think Essendon was better in 2012 than other years as a result of PEDs.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

A drug might be banned but won't necessarily provide a tangible benefit. I'm not making excuses, simply asking whether people think Essendon was better in 2012 than other years as a result of PEDs.

They were better in 2012 than in 2016, as a direct result of taking PEDs. Is this what you mean?

 

[Armadeo]

A drug might be banned but won't necessarily provide a tangible benefit. I'm not making excuses, simply asking whether people think Essendon was better in 2012 than other years as a result of PEDs.

Pretty weak sauce answer. There is no qualification necessary for your point so it is moot. A PED is by definition, performance enhancing.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

Pretty weak sauce answer. There is no qualification necessary for your point so it is moot. A PED is by definition, performance enhancing.

Why were we significantly better in 2013 than in 2012 then?

 

[Abomination]

If Jobe's moral compass was pointing in the right direction then he'd just give it back.

Jobe decided he wanted to cheat his way to a premiership and take performance enhancing drugs while captain, thus enabling a sickening cheating culture for teammates to follow his morally bankrupt leadership.

What moral compass?

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Why were we significantly better in 2013 than in 2012 then?

Maybe your skills got better. I don't think you can take "whatever" and expect your kicking to be better without doing anything else.

 

[Armadeo]

Why were we significantly better in 2013 than in 2012 then?

Im not sure what your point is. The point is no one knows how good Essendon were supposed to be in 2012. We can't turn back time and do a comparison.

 

[Armadeo]

Maybe your skills got better. I don't think you can take "whatever" and expect your kicking to be better without doing anything else.

Nor can you take whatever and fall short of winning the whole thing, point and say "Well we weren't that good!"