Is Hawthorn's performance this year tainting last years flag?

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I wouldn't go that far. He has still been more than servicable this year. Fringe AA contention.

Are you serious? No where near it.
 
Are you serious? Forget the fact that Hawthorn are playing like crap. Mitchell has been pretty good considering they are shit.

Since when is the quality of a team a consideration? He has been horrendously inconsistent.
 

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No, it just shows how important attitude is.

If we lost the GF, and Crawford played on, we would be at least 8 - 6 rather than 6 - 8.
 
Does anyone truly believe the doggies will win a flag before hawthorn ?

Fact is theres a few other teams which won't either. Many supported by posters in this thread
 
Hawthorn 'fluked' winning the Premiership last year.

Beating the Cats on Grand Final day was a fluke.

So to was beating the Bulldogs in the finals - they should have bought a tatts ticket after that one.

Thrashing the Saints in the Prelim was just 'a bit of luck'.

Finishing 2nd on the ladder at the end of the home and away season was 'good fotune'.

And Buddy's 100 goals - 'pure arse' :)
 
Hawthorn 'fluked' winning the Premiership last year.

Beating the Cats on Grand Final day was a fluke.

So to was beating the Bulldogs in the finals - they should have bought a tatts ticket after that one.

Thrashing the Saints in the Prelim was just 'a bit of luck'.

Finishing 2nd on the ladder at the end of the home and away season was 'good fotune'.

And Buddy's 100 goals - 'pure arse' :)

Yeah - doggies didn't win tonight - we lost. (sarcasm by the way)
 
I think the Hawks had a dream draw in 2008, they really didn't play many games of note until about the half way mark of the season, didn't have many injuries and that allowed the main group of players to build up confidence, in the end they were a fairly solid side with a high amount of confidence and quite a few sides struggled with their rolling zone.

Geelong's grand final performance was one of the worst games the Cats have played in years and the Hawks made the most of it.

Their draw is much tougher this year and they are having injury issues and the kids in the 30-40 range of the squad are not as well drilled and a zone crumbles when you start to expose the weak links in it. Now they are playing with no confidence and the confidence was a huge element of the game and there isn't the same kind of hunger this year.
 

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Are they being exposed as just a side that were fortunate on the day? That they are not the "Still upcoming" young side that we thought they would be for a while but rather a flash in the pan? People are thinking less and less of them every week.

Nothing can taint last years flag - this years side has no heart or soul (sorry Cyril and Sewelly).... The other top three in the next month - we will end up bottom 4 or 5.
 
I think the Hawks had a dream draw in 2008, they really didn't play many games of note until about the half way mark of the season, didn't have many injuries and that allowed the main group of players to build up confidence, in the end they were a fairly solid side with a high amount of confidence and quite a few sides struggled with their rolling zone.

Geelong's grand final performance was one of the worst games the Cats have played in years and the Hawks made the most of it.

Their draw is much tougher this year and they are having injury issues and the kids in the 30-40 range of the squad are not as well drilled and a zone crumbles when you start to expose the weak links in it. Now they are playing with no confidence and the confidence was a huge element of the game and there isn't the same kind of hunger this year.

Pretty Good assessment
 
I think the Hawks had a dream draw in 2008, they really didn't play many games of note until about the half way mark of the season, didn't have many injuries and that allowed the main group of players to build up confidence, in the end they were a fairly solid side with a high amount of confidence and quite a few sides struggled with their rolling zone.

Geelong's grand final performance was one of the worst games the Cats have played in years and the Hawks made the most of it.

And how is that different from most premiers ?

No injuries, confidence, top 2 finish, leading edge tactics, played better than finals opponents, Luck

How ?

Geelong are a choking club - and theres another 3 like them in the top4 this year.

Any one of them could 'fluke' the 2009 flag
 
Their dismal performances in 2009 do not diminish their 2008. They deserved to win the 2008 premiership and were the best side, what happens this year can't change what they did last year
 
I think the Hawks had a dream draw in 2008, they really didn't play many games of note until about the half way mark of the season, didn't have many injuries and that allowed the main group of players to build up confidence, in the end they were a fairly solid side with a high amount of confidence and quite a few sides struggled with their rolling zone.

Geelong's grand final performance was one of the worst games the Cats have played in years and the Hawks made the most of it.

Their draw is much tougher this year and they are having injury issues and the kids in the 30-40 range of the squad are not as well drilled and a zone crumbles when you start to expose the weak links in it. Now they are playing with no confidence and the confidence was a huge element of the game and there isn't the same kind of hunger this year.

You don't beat two top 4 teams by over 50 points in the finals if your just a "fairly solid side"
 
Does anyone truly believe the doggies will win a flag before hawthorn ?

Fact is theres a few other teams which won't either. Many supported by posters in this thread

Dogs are a key forward away from being a genuine flag chance i feel, none the less i don't think you will ever be the same team as you were in 2008 i be surprised if you made the finals in 2010.
 
I think they will approach and handle the upcoming pre-season alot better. That and the fact that the pressure will be off them next year should see them improve dramatically.
 
Their dismal performances in 2009 do not diminish their 2008. They deserved to win the 2008 premiership and were the best side, what happens this year can't change what they did last year

I concur with this.

The only way their 2008 flag could be tainted is if it emerged they were breaking the salary cap, using steroids, or other such cheating activities during 2008. What happens after the completion of the 2008 competition shouldn't taint it.
 
Are they being exposed as just a side that were fortunate on the day? That they are not the "Still upcoming" young side that we thought they would be for a while but rather a flash in the pan? People are thinking less and less of them every week.
Last year was maybe a bit of a shock, but they deserved the flag full stop. One of my sons is sitting around screaming blue murder about this year .I said shut the F up and think.
This year they have had to use a great deal of fill in first year players, because of injury.
Perhaps last year was a flash in the pan and the flag came from a determination that they can't muster up anymore ,they are young whatever you think, and they did happen to give your doggies a thrashing in the finals last year. Please spare us the expertise on
how to win footy games. You did not play the same side in "personel" as well as in "mindset" today Sat 4th July 2009. As you did last September.
Yes they have fallen away, well they'll just have to reload, and they will. Remember its footy. The team that beat us last week the Eagles, lost to Melbourne today, the team that belted us in Tassie two weeks ago got flogged by the "Mr hot and cold" team of the AFL, Port and Lions today. There are 3 probables that can make the grand final this year I think. Geelong StKilda and you Doggies, and good on you I always have a soft spot for
Footscray. Collingwood I don't think are the real deal, but who can tell, with them, either they really surprised me with essendon on friday.. For the Hawks, well, back in 1962 after their first flag (1961) I won't mention their apponant, but the following year(1962) they were shit. So this has happened before and not just to us.
For me ,I know what they have at that club, and bad times are not something the culture of that club allows to remain, and they'll improve and be a continuing power in the AFL FOR THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS maybe longer.Point being, we know their best is there, we saw them produce it last year, at the moment they have lost form. But it comes back ,you and your dogs have experienced us at our very nasty best. Enjoy Dogs, don't be smarties, every dog has his day, but the sun sets on everyone brother!
 
Well, that has to be stating the bleeding obvious.

It certainly looks like in 2008, Geelong lost the game rather than the Hawks winning the game.

But at the end of the day, the record books still show 2008 Premiers Hawthorn.
Hawthorn WON the game. Geelong couldn't go near the ball without huge pressure, so stop the bullshit. They got jitters, and always are worried about Hawthorn no matter what. But we will prevail over the years, and you who hate, don't know much about footy, kick a great team when its down is shit footy supporting in general by other teams supporters, its petty, and nasty, remember the worm will turm smarties.
 

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