Backing up a grand final loss and winning a flag the next year

[Fadge]

Only 4 teams in the last 34 years have been able to go B2B, but it doesn’t stop a large number of people suggesting that the Premiership side will do it all again when the new season starts.

To be fair, the reigning premier is the most likely team to go back to back each year...

 

[Jables]

A lot of those teams were heavy favourites to win if you look at it in the grand scheme of things, we were the favourites for the 2012 gf, before 2013 started and we were the favourites in the 2013 grand final too. Granted the 08 GF helped with that credibility, Brisbane have never established themselves as that level of team.

Eagles in 05, Sydney were favourites I think but everyone always knew there was nothing in it, West Coast were favourites in 06 against the same team.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

To be fair, the reigning premier is the most likely team to go back to back each year...

They're the only team that can, but it takes very little analysis or courage to just conclude that "the premiers will do it again", when it generally deosn't happen often at all.

 

[WillHayward]

Only 5 teams in the last 34 years have won a premiership after losing a grand final the previous year

Eagles lost 1991 won 1992
North Melbourne lost 1998 won 1999 (as Kangaroos)
Eagles lost 2005 won 2006
Geelong lost 2008 won 2009
Hawthorn lost 2012 won 2013

3 of them, Geelong (1994-1995), St Kilda 2009 (drew 2010, lost replay) and Collingwood (lost 2002, lost 2003) made consecutive Grand Final appearances AFTER a loss the previous year. Geelong 1994-45 were the only team in the 1990s to lose two consecutive grand finals after losing the previous years.

Big task for Chris Fagan and Brisbane after they went down in last year's Grand Final with Hawthorn 2012, 2013 the last team to do so

5/34 seems like pretty decent odds really

Not great but not awful. But it's hard to maintain the high level for two or three years. Even a 1% drop off or a bit of bad luck or injuries means U won't make the GF.

So 5/34 seems about right.

 

[Doc1763]

We lost an interstate Prelim by 1 point, then came out and beat the reigning premier in the first game, then won the flag.
GWS lost an interstate Prelim by 1 point, then came out and beat the reigning premier in the first game............................
Load up on GWS

 

[BigVic]

We lost an interstate Prelim by 1 point, then came out and beat the reigning premier in the first game, then won the flag.
GWS lost an interstate Prelim by 1 point, then came out and beat the reigning premier in the first game............................
Load up on GWS

Also a player with bleached hair and popular on social media.

 

[Freomaniac]

A lot of those teams were heavy favourites to win if you look at it in the grand scheme of things, we were the favourites for the 2012 gf, before 2013 started and we were the favourites in the 2013 grand final too. Granted the 08 GF helped with that credibility, Brisbane have never established themselves as that level of team.

Eagles in 05, Sydney were favourites I think but everyone always knew there was nothing in it, West Coast were favourites in 06 against the same team.

IN the 2005 AFL grand final, both teams were even betting wise.

it was $1.85 each way

 

[BigVic]

2019 following the 2018 grand final and loss we were poor in the regular season and were as low as 6th in Round 20 with 3 games remaining for us.

To make the top 4 that year, West Coast lost to Hawthorn and we defeated Essendon that Friday night to finish 4th in the last round of the season falling short in the preliminary final with a 4 point loss to GWS.

 

[BigVic]

Looks bad for Brisbane despite their win

 

[Dazzler9]

I daresay in the days of a 12 team comp, it was easier to make it back to the GF the following year if you were good enough to have been there already. Just the basic maths when compared to an 18 team comp makes it so.

But also, talent was more concentrated towards the top few teams (no salary caps, draft equalisation measures, etc.), so the same few teams would make it year after year, within certain eras (hope that makes sense). Also, the finals structure favoured the higher finishing sides far more than the current system. So I imagine the better teams with the better talent would consistently finish top 3 and have greater chances of making consecutive GFs.

 

[Freomaniac]

I daresay in the days of a 12 team comp, it was easier to make it back to the GF the following year if you were good enough to have been there already. Just the basic maths when compared to an 18 team comp makes it so.

But also, talent was more concentrated towards the top few teams (no salary caps, draft equalisation measures, etc.), so the same few teams would make it year after year, within certain eras (hope that makes sense). Also, the finals structure favoured the higher finishing sides far more than the current system. So I imagine the better teams with the better talent would consistently finish top 3 and have greater chances of making consecutive GFs.

Debateable.

When University was round in 1908-14, It was 4 finals spots and 10 sides.

If we are talking about between 1925-71 when it was only 4 finals spots from 12 sides... I can debate on both fronts.

Saints made a grand final in 1965, won a flag in 1966 then dropped out of the 4 in 1967.

Tigers won a flag in 1967, 6th in 1968 and flag in 1969.

But if you wanna talk about 1972-1986 when it was 5 finals spots for 12 teams. North Melbourne made finals each year from 1974-78. Mind you they had a good core of players at the time and Had Ron Barrassi as coach.

Saying that... Adding tassie as a 19th team and a 20th side means 8 finals spots for 20 teams.