LukeParkerno1
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Bet you'd have been thrilled if that Marti pick turned into pick 8...or Cotchin Turning into pick 6...and you missing both!
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Opinion Is it time for a draft lottery?
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Bet you'd have been thrilled if that Marti pick turned into pick 8...or Cotchin Turning into pick 6...and you missing both!
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If there was a lottery thats obviously the risk.
There are always quality players in the top 10
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What if these 2 teams are 3-8 at the half way mark and team A puts the cue in the rack wins 3 games for the year and team B continue to fight and win 6 more games for the year??
LukeParkerno1
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It comes as zero shock that you are for this lottery the minute your team is in the top 4 and is contending and any move up via a lottery is a bonus. If you are in the bottom four you need access to the elite talents. The only lottery I'd somewhat support would be one in the bottom 4, but even then it's silly, the team coming 5th last would tank to come 4th last. It works in the US as there are twice the amount of teams.
It'll have zero affect on the perceived tanking IMO, teams could tank to get more balls in the lottery or to get into the lower group that goes into the lottery for the possible number 1 selection. The tanking issue is way over stated IMO, the last team in the competition should get the number 1 selection.
L_W_P
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Hard NO to the lottery.
Big YES to the 'WHEEL" - http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...g-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel/
http://www.nbadraftwheel.com/
Also I would drop the minimum on the Salary Cap to 80% and allow teams to bank the difference for a 3-5 year window. Lets the crap teams save money by not having to overpay middle of the road players and then go BANG in free agency (as well as retaining top players) after getting a few picks through the door.
Free agency compo could also be tied to top picks.
When Franklin left the Hawks they could choose when to cash it in. Immediately, to get a player through the door and developing or in a future season, to tie it with a lower pick. They might even decide to use it in a year when they have a number of F/S or NGA options to pay for.
Heaps of room to improve the current system by switching to THE WHEEL
Big YES to the 'WHEEL" - http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...g-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel/
http://www.nbadraftwheel.com/
Also I would drop the minimum on the Salary Cap to 80% and allow teams to bank the difference for a 3-5 year window. Lets the crap teams save money by not having to overpay middle of the road players and then go BANG in free agency (as well as retaining top players) after getting a few picks through the door.
Free agency compo could also be tied to top picks.
When Franklin left the Hawks they could choose when to cash it in. Immediately, to get a player through the door and developing or in a future season, to tie it with a lower pick. They might even decide to use it in a year when they have a number of F/S or NGA options to pay for.
Heaps of room to improve the current system by switching to THE WHEEL
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It won't have "zero" effect, it'll have a negative effect. It'll only lead to more tanking by more teams.
Not IMO.
bungwahl
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With American sports the main issue is that the sport itself is fairly dull, so the basis of the professional competitions centre around the drama. They focus on building up the characters, rivalries and adding dramatic twists like draft lotteries.
It’s great - adds to the theatre etc. Not sure we need it in the AFL just yet.
It’s great - adds to the theatre etc. Not sure we need it in the AFL just yet.
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There are too many variables like Father/Son and Academy picks for a lottery to come in.
Especially now with Free Agency and big F/As going to all the top clubs, the bottom ranked clubs need first dibs on the best young talent.
To sum up, a Lottery shouldn't and won't be brought in, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Especially now with Free Agency and big F/As going to all the top clubs, the bottom ranked clubs need first dibs on the best young talent.
To sum up, a Lottery shouldn't and won't be brought in, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Though Rance was a PP as was Deledio.
Picking kids out of high school rather than college and 18 on the field compared to 5 is the reason we don’t need a lottery.
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Imagine Collingwood somehow finish on the bottom and Sydney get the number 1 pick.
Eddie would flip his lid. Do it for the melts.
Eddie would flip his lid. Do it for the melts.
I’m of a different opinion, I think a team about 12th would be more beneficial of the first round pick, as it means they should be qualifying for finals the following year. Where as the bottom team generally takes 3-5 years to start to propel themselves up the ladder. If you held the lottery before the draft and a higher team gets the first pick, there is a higher chance of it being traded, as the bottom teams are very conservative with trading that pick out. So could open up a lot more options, then what the system currently allows.
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I don't know why people are against a lottery.
We had 4 teams on 12 wins outside the 8 and Geelong the last one in on 13. You reckon any of those teams are going to tank Rd 23 for a 1% chance at getting pick 1?
Drafting 18 year olds is an inexact science and the #1 bring tag brings excessive pressure for club and player.
We had 4 teams on 12 wins outside the 8 and Geelong the last one in on 13. You reckon any of those teams are going to tank Rd 23 for a 1% chance at getting pick 1?
Drafting 18 year olds is an inexact science and the #1 bring tag brings excessive pressure for club and player.
No idea why we need a lottery, give me some reasons for it?
TradeDraft
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No One player can Change a Team like they can do in Basketball.
We don't Need a Lottery
LukeParkerno1
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People just feel different= better. It doesn’t. There’s no reason for a lottery.
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Don't need a lottery. Almost ALL number one picks never end up being the number one player from that draft anyway in every sport. The draft itself is already a lottery. The number one pick is just used to build excitement amongst the holding teams fans that they will get the "best player in the draft". Walsh is the only number one pick from recent years that may live up to the hype of that pick.
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It's not really those teams that would be an issue.
The 'tanking' debate would simply rise from the bottom 1-3 teams to a group of 4-6 teams all in a race to the bottom.
If St Kilda aren't in a position to make finals by say round 15, then the questions becomes "Do we fight it out and get a pick around 8-10 or do we tank and put ourselves in the best spot for a shot at the #1 pick in the draft, even if we dont finish last?"
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Yes! there is no incentive to win the last game if you are on bottom of the ladder.
Bottom teams gets the home game, and they play for picks.
Bottom teams gets the home game, and they play for picks.
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The probabilities are still pretty low.
The NBA system for example is this:
- 140 combinations, 14.0% chance of receiving the No. 1 pick
- 140 combinations, 14.0% chance
- 140 combinations, 14.0% chance
- 125 combinations, 12.5% chance
- 105 combinations, 10.5% chance
- 90 combinations, 9.0% chance
- 75 combinations, 7.5% chance
- 60 combinations, 6.0% chance
- 45 combinations, 4.5% chance
- 30 combinations, 3.0% chance
- 20 combinations, 2.0% chance
- 15 combinations, 1.5% chance
- 10 combinations, 1.0% chance
- 5 combinations, 0.5% chance
If you finish last in the system above you'll get a pick 1-5. 2nd last 1-6, 3rd last 1-7, 4th last 1-8 and 5th last 1-9. If you finish 10th (which would be the highest finishing non finalist in the AFL) then you have a combined chance of getting a pick 1-4, no chance of a pick 5-9 and an 86% chance of a pick 10-12.
Cotchin was pick 2 but Richmond won the spoon that year and should have had pick 1, Carlton got a priority pick and picked Kruezer ahead of us.
Not sure how many times in the history of the draft has the bottom team not been given pick 1 (taking away the years GWS & Gold Coast came on board).
Marc_Remillard
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I think we've already taken this step with academies and all the other ways clubs can get players on their list.
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