Is Judd a great leader now?

[Jesse Custer]

He is a player that lets his actions do the talking. Nev is right, the Freo game for example when Murph got roughed up, Judd just walked away. Judd is an expert at getting the ball, thats how he leads.

Tbh, its pretty sad carlton had to recruit a captain and couldn't give it to someone who has been at the club longer than he has. (Anybody else).

And for the love of god, don't compare the mercenary to a loyal champion in James Hird. Judd is no where near worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Judd isn't a natural leader for mine. Leads with his actions and dedication on the track, but not the kind of guy that inspires and lifts his team on match day.

 

[Haydos]

Now 2 years on, with 2 seasons at the Blues behind him, I think that Judd is really showing his true leadership qualities.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you haven't actually given any reasons as to why you think he is a better leader.

I don't see any difference in the way Judd goes about the role of captain now compared to when he was at the Eagles.

 

[Shangalang]

And just as quick to abandon his team in their hour of need in search of lining his pocket.

He is great player, not a great leader.

Judd is being paid market value for aplayer of his ilk... If he stayed at WC he would command a very similar salary. He left becasue of the go home factor not money.. He would be compenasted similary at any of the 16 AFL clubs......

 

[Jesse Custer]

Judd is being paid market value for aplayer of his ilk... If he stayed at WC he would command a very similar salary. He left becasue of the go home factor not money.. He would be compenasted similary at any of the 16 AFL clubs......

Only one club has the VISY dollars. No other club could compete with that.

 

[Shangalang]

he's one of those types of people, that lead by example, but isn't a vocal or great leader.

he just doesn't know how to express himself, and he has said, footy is just a game, and that there are more important things to do ... he has also stated that once he retires that's it, no more involvement in the game.

if you need sources, there have been various news articles actually pointing this out.

And what is the problme with any of that.. Does the fact that he doens't want to reamin in football once he retires make him any less of a leader. How dare an AFL player have a brain and consider exploring other opportuniteis inthier life after football... What is your point here birdbrain ??

I would say being able to lead by example is one of thee most important attributes a leader can have. Any one can rant and rave but owrds mean little if there is no substance behind them. Actions speak louder than words my friend

 

[JeffDunne]

Far be it for me to go into bat for Carlton but anyone that suggests Judd is a poor leader knows nothing about what makes footballers tick.

Leadership isn't gabbing off. It's convincing the blokes around you that there's a non negotiable standard.

Judd does that every week, every training session and given the amount of young guns they have running around, I think he's the perfect leader for their situation.

Sure he's a mercenary but only supporters give a toss about that sort of thing.

 

[joeyavalanche]

You can buy into all you like.
If he was a true captain at West Coast he would have honoured his captaincy and stayed on while they went through the worst year in the club's history.

I could see Kirk, Harley etc doing that sort of thing.
Never Judd though.

Even at West Coast i never seen him pull aside a young kid and give them a spray or a pat on the back, never seen him pull in the troops to fire them up.

Judd leads by example because he happens to be a good player,
Kirk leads by example because he wants to make his team better, not his pockets.

 

[blueblooded]

Far be it for me to go into bat for Carlton but anyone that suggests Judd is a poor leader knows nothing about what makes footballers tick.

Leadership isn't gabbing off. It's convincing the blokes around you that there's a non negotiable standard.

Judd does that every week, every training session and given the amount of young guns they have running around, I think he's the perfect leader for their situation.

Sure he's a mercenary but only supporters give a toss about that sort of thing.

I cant believe it!!! A well thought out Carlton related post from JD!!! I'd almost go as far as wishing you good luck for tomorrow night after that! Probably wont need it though, we havent beaten you bastards for 8 years, probably wont reverse that tomorrow.

Judd is a leader by example,he's not a Jonno "righto boys lets smash these bastards" Brown type leader, you know the loud fire em up type, he sets a professional standard for the rest of the group to follow on and off the track. I was reading recently he does up to 15 hours a week extra training and preparing away from the football club. Thats "unpaid" for all you idiots who tow the mercenary line out there. Not many players past or present put in that sort of effort away from the club, Rob Harvey, Buckley spring to mind but not many more.

The talkers in the Carlton group are Kade Simpson, Stevens and Fev when he can be bothered. Judd leads by example but wouldn't say as much as the aforementioned players on a game day. Apparently just gets right in the zone!

 

[blueblooded]

Judd isn't a natural leader for mine. Leads with his actions and dedication on the track, but not the kind of guy that inspires and lifts his team on match day.

I would have thought gut running, getting 30 plus possesions with 3 blokes hanging off you, bobbing up to save the day at least once a quarter, and on most occassions being the best player on the ground would be enough to inspire and lift your tream on match day?? Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[tazhawk]

A very good footballer is Judd but a leader he is not.

A leader would have grabbed Kerr by the scruff of the neck after he knocked down a young player, no not Judd he was off chasing Brownlow votes.

Very very good footballer but a very ordinary leader.

 

[CarltonSocialClub]

A very good footballer is Judd but a leader he is not.

A leader would have grabbed Kerr by the scruff of the neck after he knocked down a young player, no not Judd he was off chasing Brownlow votes.

Very very good footballer but a very ordinary leader.

You're obviously of the school that leadership is defined by crap like Sam Mitchell's GF day.

Anyway, leaders come in many shapes and forms.

Judd is one of the greatest ever players, which is a good start for any captain. We see this trend of mediocre players being given the job because of their "leadership qualities", well a lot of the time they have to compensate by being "tough" because their talent isn't up to going in and getting the ball and splitting a game in half which JUDD DOES WEEKLY, (see Maxwell as a prime example of this).

I'll tell you what, I'd rather play with a bloke who doesn't get sucked in to little niggles every 5 minutes, and has the courage to play the ball time and time again, and when his team has it's back against the walls, he's the one that gets things going, then some moron who will run the length of the field to stick his nose into a little bit of jumper punching.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

A very good footballer is Judd but a leader he is not.

A leader would have grabbed Kerr by the scruff of the neck after he knocked down a young player, no not Judd he was off chasing Brownlow votes.

Very very good footballer but a very ordinary leader.

Perhaps, Judd knew that retaliation could've (and knowing umpires would've) culminated in a 50M penalty against his team - hardly inspiring. And that the 'toughness' of such acts means nothing. Instead feeding the ball to him and allowing Murph to talk with his boots and gather 30 odd possesions of his own. That's real leadership - as previous posts stated, Mitchell's sniping isn't his leadership strong suit.

 

[tazhawk]

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As I said Judd is a very good player but as a Leader he is well short.

You want to know what a real Leader of men is like, look no further than Luke Hodge.

Tough, Skilled, there when the whips are cracking (2008 GF), wills his team over the line even when injured and loyal

 

[Madblue]

The AA captain (voted on by "experts") is not a good leader.....ROFLMFAO.

He's a wonderful captain and role model.

 

[tazhawk]

The AA captain (voted on by Robert Walls) is not a good leader.....ROFLMFAO.

He's a wonderful captain and role model.

Fixed it for you champ.

On a serious note, yes Judd is a captain and a good role model but this thread is about Leadership not just being a Captain.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

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As I said Judd is a very good player but as a Leader he is well short.

You want to know what a real Leader of men is like, look no further than Luke Hodge.

Tough, Skilled, there when the whips are cracking (2008 GF), wills his team over the line even when injured and loyal

Such that the leadership is epitomised by the adorning of captaincy, you're rather misguided here.

Many players have played through broken ribs, fractures and the like. Judd has played through concussion, through groin injury, IE played through his most serious injuries, there is nothing we can fault about that. Yet the fact that Hodge was not injured enough to not play is a rather stupid argument to support his 'toughness' and leadership.

Luke Hodge is obviously not captain for some reason, despite your inferrence that he is the greatest leader at your club.

As a leader Judd is not well short - as a leader Judd is paralleled by very few.

As a great leader, is where the argument lies.

 

[JeffDunne]

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As I said Judd is a very good player but as a Leader he is well short.

You want to know what a real Leader of men is like, look no further than Luke Hodge.

Tough, Skilled, there when the whips are cracking (2008 GF), wills his team over the line even when injured and loyal

I don't disagree on Hodge but you're kidding yourself if you think his team mates remember what was said in the huddle or his contract status when looking for a leader when the game is on the line.

In the trenches you look for a bloke that will stand side by side regardless. You don't care who he's screwed, you don't care how much he screwed out of a wealthy benefactor, you don't even care if you went toe-to-toe with him last Saturday night.

I used to hear this crap all the time in regards to Harvey (bar the mercenary part). It was petty, small minded and completely ignorant of how his team mates viewed him. Robert Walls ironically was one of his biggest critics (let's not go there).

It's petty & completely ignorant to suggest Judd isn't a leader simply because like Harv's, he's a total professional.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

In all fairness, Judd is a good or strong leader but not a great one. Two sides to GREAT leadership, leading by example on the field and training track (rate him a 9/10 here). You could only say he falls down in the one area on the field and that may be physical intimidation which is just not part of his natural makeup. Right now you see Maxwell trying to fake it and it is very funny!

The second part of great leadership is the communication side and here Judd is just functional...not bad but you couldn't say he is an elite communicator!

For all those muppet posters who refer to the $$$ and traitor crap - jhat is just ignorant and poor form...Judd lays it on the line week in week out - this type of commitment/concentration takes integrity as a person.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

In the trenches you look for a bloke that will stand side by side regardless. You don't care who he's screwed, you don't care how much he screwed out of a wealthy benefactor, you don't even care if you went toe-to-toe with him last Saturday night.

Dead right, speeches (refer 'Wharfies and Superman Capes, Pavlich, 2009) are more often than not cringeworthy, and always are a reaction to some form of physical manifestation that isn't present in players, or assumed will not be - essentially they are often condescending.

A leader who can say, or modestly imply "Do what I do and we'll win everytime" - is far more valuable than a players preoccupation with running with the flight of the ball. By that standard, Troy Selwood and Heath Scotland are the only true exponents of real leadership this season.

 

[Jesse Custer]

In the trenches you look for a bloke that will stand side by side regardless. You don't care who he's screwed, you don't care how much he screwed out of a wealthy benefactor, you don't even care if you went toe-to-toe with him last Saturday night.

Jeff you're a great poster and all but using that term is an insult to the men who actually fought in the trenches.

Besides, Judd would've been the first to go over to the Russian lines.

Anything to save his skin. He would be the last person i'd want to be in the trenches with.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Jeff you're a great poster and all but using that term is an insult to the men who actually fought in the trenches.

Besides, Judd would've been the first to go over to the Russian lines.

Anything to save his skin. He would be the last person i'd want to be in the trenches with.

Why lambast JD for using the term, then disrespect the representatives of the term yourself. Moron. You're the last person anyone would want to lecture them on ethics, especially questioning the integrity of someone who has never harmed you, just to advance an agenda of your own.

 

[Belnakor]

Notice how the only people saying he is a good leader support Carlton. Funny that.

There is no doubt the guy leads from the front, but he is not the kind of guy who is going to get the boys fired up. Case in point was Judd as captain but Cousins was effectively the captain in 2006.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Jeff you're a great poster and all but using that term is an insult to the men who actually fought in the trenches.

Besides, Judd would've been the first to go over to the Russian lines.

Anything to save his skin. He would be the last person i'd want to be in the trenches with.

I'm expecting you'll come back say this post was all a joke....because surely this can't be serious.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Notice how the only people saying he is a good leader support Carlton. Funny that.

4 or 5 posts before your one... What's more amusing is your intelligence, or lack thereof.