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The problem is if other clubs move on their coaches before us then they get a head start on picking the best coaches available.
Analysis Is Leppa the Right Man for the Job?
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The problem is if other clubs move on their coaches before us then they get a head start on picking the best coaches available.
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The coaching panel is awful. .there should be two or three contenders for a top job..there are none.
It seems the Lions lack leadership across the club. That performance is lack of leadership, it seemed the coaching panel did nothing to try and fix the issue, amd Leppa press conference was probably more bizarre than the game itself.
Having exposure to leadership myself, its obvious that Leppa does not possess the leadership qualities required. Leaders are all about getting the most out of their staff or players, and I cant see this quality at the moment. To say in your press conference I let the team discuss their performance shows his lack of leadership unfortunately.
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I like Ratten as well and think he's the best available outside of the AFL senior coaches.
You have to stick with Leppisch though imo. Assuming one of the reasons he was re-signed was take away job speculation, especially because of your first 10 weeks, it would be really weak to sack him based on a few bad performances within that period.
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This is one argument for acting sooner rather than later. It's looking increasingly likely in 2016 that no coaches will be sacked which means you'll have the pick of the field whereas in 2017 I think there will be at least a couple of vacancies that going to clog up the field.
I'm a big fan of Ratten, I think he's the best candidate for who ever offers the next senior coaching job at this stage, but if a change does happen at the lions it can't just be senior coach out, new one in. It needs to be 3 or 4 coaches in and maybe 2 or 3 out. As much as I love blacky and co. we need some senior experience around. We highlighted Voss didnt have the support around him years ago, I dont feel like a whole lot has changed since in terms of game day support.. besides Danny Daly? Bring back a Mark Harvey style senior assistant or 3!
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Put it right back on the Club we put a mentor in position????
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...justin-leppitsch/story-fni5f22o-1226751800157
I don't doubt Schwabs ability in his current role, but sending him away from a game day role was one of the biggest mistakes the club has made in my opinion.
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Yep...the point I'm making...We (The Club) employed an inexperienced coach after sacking an inexperienced coach....Put a mentor in place to fix it...then took him away... not sure what we (the Club) saw that things were ok...certainly wasn't the win/loss ratio
Maybe they didn't get on.
Maybe Swchabby didn't want to stay in Brisbane because some Jason guy corrected his grammar.
Whatever the case, and whatever the club do with Leppa, if he goes, we cannot afford to roll the dice on another untried coach. If things don't turn, we will be in no position for someone to 'try their hand' at senior coaching. They need to have at least filled in for their senior coach elsewhere.
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Dunno...Brett Kirk has served an acceptable apprenticeship under Ross Lyon, Paul Roos (as well as playing career) and now Longmire...Quality person who would understand what it takes and needed to coach a frontier club.
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We don't have the resources to support such a coach. I'm sure Brett would be swell at a club with good facilities and support staff, but he won't get that here. It isn't a simple matter of having a plan. An experienced coach understands what the deficiencies are and hopefully how to work with what he's got, without having his hand held. And I don't mean the "hand holding" in a derogatory way, but a young first time senior needs a lot of help. Swans, Carlton, Hawthorn are all a world apart from what a coach will find and have here, both in bricks & mortar and staff.
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I think media will decide. If they cant find any other target from vic club they will end up questioning leppa and he will be done in a fortnight. Sadly, its almost Tony Abott situation now (after that vote)..dead.man.walking from here on
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^ I wouldn't hold that against him. Space cadets tend to have a fantastic coaching record i.e. Blight, Sheedy, Bomber.
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The discussion in this thread is on the money. Whoever is coaching us the next few years, they need to have good people around them.
We can't recruit the team that we need on our own. Part of the benefit in bringing in Swann as CEO was that he would be better connected with the footy establishment in Melbourne. We need him to do everything he can to get the weight of the AFL behind our next round of staffing appointments.
Of course, he isn't a miracle worker, and building our new facilities is if anything an even higher priority.
Nevertheless, the AFL clearly left us to wither on the vine three years ago when they helped the Demons get Roos. Surely it's our turn.
We can't recruit the team that we need on our own. Part of the benefit in bringing in Swann as CEO was that he would be better connected with the footy establishment in Melbourne. We need him to do everything he can to get the weight of the AFL behind our next round of staffing appointments.
Of course, he isn't a miracle worker, and building our new facilities is if anything an even higher priority.
Nevertheless, the AFL clearly left us to wither on the vine three years ago when they helped the Demons get Roos. Surely it's our turn.
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Problem is, finding an experienced coach out there where the game hasn't past their style of coaching. (i.e Eade and Malthouse) Then be able to entice them to the club..Our list doesn't jump out and say top 8...Unless, as some are suggesting, that the Matthews outburst was asking the AFL to pay for our coach, then, we are only ever going to attract apprentice coaches.. What we really need is a complete overhaul of our coaching group and get strong quality people in....It's our basic skills that are crap and I don't see our reserves smashing opposition clubs ...About the only thing that is good to come from things at the moment, both clubs have guaranteed their academies are safe for now.
Leppa will last until the end of the season, unless we get smashed by over 100 points by Essendon.
His contract was extended to take away the speculation while we get beaten in the first 10 rounds of the year. It's certainly dissapointing that we didn't turn up yesterday against the pies and the previous week against port... But at the beginning of the season no one had us down for a win against either side. The fact both sides were smashed in the media the weeks before playing the lions certainly doesn't help... but not an excuse for the way we played in the first half against the pies.
Almost all teams have up days and down days. Unfortunately our up days have been honorable losses against top teams, and our down days are abysmal - we're coming off such a low base.
Season end will be the time to make the call on Leppa after we've played the teams in the lower half of the ladder. Sticking with Leppa is certainly better than the debacle we had when Voss was sacked...if we sack him, we're going to have to convince someone to come anyway - and we certainly don't have a fat enough checkbook to make someone an offer they can't refuse!
His contract was extended to take away the speculation while we get beaten in the first 10 rounds of the year. It's certainly dissapointing that we didn't turn up yesterday against the pies and the previous week against port... But at the beginning of the season no one had us down for a win against either side. The fact both sides were smashed in the media the weeks before playing the lions certainly doesn't help... but not an excuse for the way we played in the first half against the pies.
Almost all teams have up days and down days. Unfortunately our up days have been honorable losses against top teams, and our down days are abysmal - we're coming off such a low base.
Season end will be the time to make the call on Leppa after we've played the teams in the lower half of the ladder. Sticking with Leppa is certainly better than the debacle we had when Voss was sacked...if we sack him, we're going to have to convince someone to come anyway - and we certainly don't have a fat enough checkbook to make someone an offer they can't refuse!
Definitely. I don't have the answer, and certainly not one of those posters who says "We should get..." It just isn't that easy, for the points you mention. Equally though, I am far from convinced that a Stuie Dew or Kirk will make a meaningful difference without the other stuff. I'd rather see us start with assistants, not just different, but better credentialed. If we were to appoint a Dew or Kirk as senior coach, then we need a Dew or Kirk to assist. Perhaps 2 hopefuls would compensate having one as senior coach, but one alone is not the way, IMO.
The AFL has certainly taken its eyes off the ball with Brisbane. There's no doubting it. But I refuse to believe that is the sole reason the club is in the position it is in and I think if the club is bitter towards the AFL for the treatment it has received, then it's a deflection used to stop itself having to face a few harsh truths. I'm sick of crying woe is me. As for coaching, I don't think senior experience (eg Ratten) is essential. We've had two inexperienced coaches who have failed, but let's look at facts. We hired Voss in the days immediately after Leigh retired. There was no process to see who else was around, there was minimal interview time to see Voss' vision going forward... to be honest it was a bad appointment made by a board, who on reflection, made a string of bad decisions. So Voss leaves and we start our search, applicants after said the process was strange.. perhaps this was sour grapes, or maybe it wasn't. However it was strange that the man who Leigh asked to apply, a favourite son, ended with the job and if memory serves, was aided in his application by Voss.
Last year when Carlton was at its worst, many said "Would anyone do any better with this team?" Today it won four in a row. The Dogs sacked its coach, lost its captain, its best and fairest winner and brownlow medalist (and ceo) and were one of the stories of last season. The Eagles have shot back up the ladder under Simpson, and the Crows look good under Pike. These are all untried coaches, save a brief stint by Bolton.
I'm aware these are teams in other markets and the coaches in some cases have more support, but I also think it serves as proof that relative unknowns just need a chance to reach their potential. I'll be happy if an exhaustive process is put in place and the best man for the job is given the position, whether he has experience or not. However I agree that he must be able to bring in his own team and no expense should be spared to ensure that he has the full support of the club and everything he needs. On field success is the only way to fix things and this is the only way I see that happening.
Last year when Carlton was at its worst, many said "Would anyone do any better with this team?" Today it won four in a row. The Dogs sacked its coach, lost its captain, its best and fairest winner and brownlow medalist (and ceo) and were one of the stories of last season. The Eagles have shot back up the ladder under Simpson, and the Crows look good under Pike. These are all untried coaches, save a brief stint by Bolton.
I'm aware these are teams in other markets and the coaches in some cases have more support, but I also think it serves as proof that relative unknowns just need a chance to reach their potential. I'll be happy if an exhaustive process is put in place and the best man for the job is given the position, whether he has experience or not. However I agree that he must be able to bring in his own team and no expense should be spared to ensure that he has the full support of the club and everything he needs. On field success is the only way to fix things and this is the only way I see that happening.
listening to him this morning on 3AW he was to say the least down. i hope not so worn down that he thinks this is all just too hard.
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A lot of people mentioning Bomber Thompson. I am a massive NO on this one. It would have Rodney Eade written all over it. He is a bizaar character, doesen't really deal with young teams getting flogged well and has been out of the game. Lets just grab the next best coach from a good club, young and personable.
Not that this matters, leppa will be retained on Leighs gravey train of mediocrity for another year, we will be flogged all year again next year, untill he is eventually fired in the second half of next year - so essentially we have another wasted season ahead of us, with more players leaving and good young talent being wasted through complete lack of devalopment and confidence. The rot is impossible to reverse once its this bad.
Not that this matters, leppa will be retained on Leighs gravey train of mediocrity for another year, we will be flogged all year again next year, untill he is eventually fired in the second half of next year - so essentially we have another wasted season ahead of us, with more players leaving and good young talent being wasted through complete lack of devalopment and confidence. The rot is impossible to reverse once its this bad.
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