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Exactly. Mark Neeld wasn't a star footballer and look what he managed to achiev........oh right
Analysis Is Leppa the Right Man for the Job?
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Having a look at how we played non-Carlton teams last year round 23 really was different to all the rest, even disregarding the Dogs resting their most experienced players. Purely on form up until that point we shouldn't have been given a sniff, even with the outs. I don't expect us to be beating top 4 teams at our best, but 90 and 100+ scores should be enough to beat the teams around us on the ladder if we even put a modicum of effort into defense... but we haven't.
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Have seen the usual names thrown around as a replacement for Leppa if things keep going the way they have been. Just wondering thoughts on this one, has worked under Lyon and Clarkson.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/news/jo...h/news-story/b7dcd67b3ad677cec03514bd6da207c1
http://www.foxsports.com.au/news/jo...h/news-story/b7dcd67b3ad677cec03514bd6da207c1
I wonder what it costs to advertise on the Fox Sports site like that?
At the same time as all of the above, I still believe that overall we have improved this season. The spirit shown in the second half vs the GC was amazing. They have it in them.
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You keep talking to the coaches wife on twitter mate and pray your little bubble never bursts. Lol
So you didn't want to hear people's thoughts?
I don't know who you are.
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agree, not suggesting a senior assistant role just somebody who has been in they system with one of the best sides of the last 50 years, hopefully he would have some ideas that may be of use to the coaching panel. an interview and assessment process would still need to gone through to determine if any of those three would fit that role.
I just think we need to focus on experience. We have coaches who were part of the best team of the last 50 years. Sure they might offer something, and of value, but perhaps down the list of priorities. No harm in having one of them, if we improve on the experience we have first.
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Yes, i would love to hear peoples point of view. You can find similar articles on Stuart Dew and Luke Beveridge. To say how much does it cost to advertise is a tad silly.
John Barker has been in the system a long time and has served under 3 pretty good and proven coaches. I have not seen his name thrown in the mix so i thought i would put it out there.
John Barker has been in the system a long time and has served under 3 pretty good and proven coaches. I have not seen his name thrown in the mix so i thought i would put it out there.
Well, coaches have managers much like players, and managers arrange for articles to be placed on News/Fairfax/Fox/AFL sites to promote their position.
To me, this one just reads more blatantly like an ad than similar assistants' articles I've read before.
What is silly/petty, is air-swinging your attempt to be a tough guy by mentioning tweets between me and Justin's wife that have absolutely nothing to do with what you posted. I don't know how I'll go on, other than to sleep comfortably knowing that you follow my posts on Twitter.
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Well you listed our assistants who had great careers,but may not necessarily be good coaches. I was suggesting Neeld was the opposite by having no great playing career,but was an excellent coach. Anyyyywayyy
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Weird onbervation but we need something special for our next coach, not sure it's him - not sure why, just not sure.
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Fair enough mate, though just one question. Do you believe Justin Leppitsch is the right man for the job going forward. And if so i would love to know why you think he is. And please dont say stability...
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Yeah I know,it was meant to be tongue in cheek because he was obviously very average as a head coach
I would argue we played well because they let us play well. It seems to be that way in most games; we get a sniff and we can match it with teams we wouldn't expect to such as Sydney this year. But we are so easily defeated mentally and it leads to huge blowouts.
No but he was an excellent assistant coach. He was the Collingwood midfield coach in 2010, and prior to that was our defensive coach.
It was mentioned that Leppitch was instrumental in Rance's development. Well, maybe there are some guys who are good assistant coaches however struggle as head coach.
I don't think he's shown that he's amazing and I don't think he's shown that he's terrible. Although, I don't know that he could've shown either given the off-field stuff prior to his arrival and even during his tenure.
I'm probably at the point where I think the players are just as much up in the air as him - everyone is up for trade as far as I'm concerned.
The two things I'm not convinced of are:
- If Leppa took over at Geelong (like Chris Scott), he would've ruined them.
- If we had another coach last year or this year, we'd be doing way better.
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Awesome, so we trade out all the players and keep the coach. Wow
'All the players' takes what I said and runs with it - I just don't think we should be afraid of trading people because of media scrutiny of some kind of exodus. This core group of players has shown flashes of brilliance and consistent regression under two coaching regimes now.
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I think through admission by the club in the media it is clear that Leppa never created any belief, nor won the hearts and minds of a majority of players - a common theme has been a failure in coach player relations, a lot of us suspected it and it was confirmed in the off season. The game plan is non exsistant, he pushed to get rid of any experience we had on our list, statistically a majority of players have regressed under him - I think there is some tangible evidence that his coaching has played a role on our current situation, I am fairly confident that Adam Simpsom would have done a better job than Leppa given what he has achieved at West Coast for example. Im fairly confident the areas it would appear justin falls short in, have correlated with deficiencies in those areas. We were told he had re-calibrated in the offseason, we were hopeful, but the rot had set in and we were too far gone - I was determined to give him 2016 to turn it around, but there is a sense that Saturday night comfirmed our worst fears. He just isnt a people manager and doesent provide leadership and calm.. senior coaching is not for him.
Everything you mention assumes that if we had another coach we'd be doing better (Simpson is your example) but it also assumes that if Leppa took over a better team he'd also be no good.
We were/are a pretty bad team to start with ...
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Look at what Beveridge has done at the Bulldogs, captain and CEO walked. Thats a pretty tough ask. Sadly Leppa is not up for it and never will be.
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