Society/Culture Is professional womens sports outdated?

[Seeds]

... I think you've just turned me off sport.

I need to go and lie down.

Just professional sport.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I think a bball league for sub 6 footers would be sweet. I've known some super agile asian cats in my time who would be pro ballers if not for being short people.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I think a bball league for sub 6 footers would be sweet. I've known some super agile asian cats in my time who would be pro ballers if not for being short people.

Should have played netball. But they are discriminated against because they are not women.

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the average salary for netballers will rise from about $40,000 to $67,500, and the minimum wage more than doubles to $27,375.​

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The deal includes breakthrough conditions, like clubs paying for children under 12 months old and a carer to travel to games with players, private health insurance and income protection for up to two years in the event of injury or pregnancy.​

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For the first time, all athletes will be on 12-month contracts.​

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/new-landmark-pay-deal-for-australian-netballers/7842660

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Should have played netball. But they are discriminated against because they are not women.

This is just more persecution complex.

 

[Frank Bunn]

This is just more persecution complex.

So you don't believe in equal opportunity?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Im yet to see white male grievances extend to a self-sustaining female sporting competition.

 

[Ron The Bear]

A handicap system could be introduced where possible, similar to the weight-for-age scale in horse racing.

You could have the women starting off 9 or 10m in the 100m sprint. Would make sport more interesting.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Keep the AFLW but have them play in lingerie. Boom, everyone's happy, ratings quadruple.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Keep the AFLW but have them play in lingerie. Boom, everyone's happy, ratings quadruple.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.
Some of those girls would hold a mallee bull out to piss.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I'm not sure you've thought this through.
Some of those girls would hold a mallee bull out to piss.

It's 2019, and people have varying tastes. "Strong is the new skinny", the fat acceptance movement, etc. AFLW has something for everyone!

 

[Craven Morehead]

It's 2019, and people have varying tastes. "Strong is the new skinny", the fat acceptance movement, etc. AFLW has something for everyone!

That doesn't make it right.
Especially with regards to lingerie.
Call me old fashioned.

 

[the_interloper]

A handicap system could be introduced where possible, similar to the weight-for-age scale in horse racing.

You could have the women starting off 9 or 10m in the 100m sprint. Would make sport more interesting.

It just seems a bit contrived doesn't it? I'm not sure what's wrong with the way it is now.

 

[Ron The Bear]

It just seems a bit contrived doesn't it? I'm not sure what's wrong with the way it is now.

A handicap system would at least spell out that women are not men, which a lot of people seem to be confused about ATM.

 

[quotemokc]

Men tackling women isn't acceptable.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Imagine the locker room talk before games

 

[Scotland]

I don't think women's sport is outdated as a concept. Having an AFLW isn't a slap in the face to equality, and I'm more than happy for the AFL (not the "men's AFL", it's not called that) to be open to players of all sexes and genders. AFAIK there isn't a specific rule precluding women from registering for the AFL draft because it will never happen. The best player in the AFLW wouldn't get a kick playing TAC Cup or WAFL Colts.

What is outdated and out of step with equality is women's professional sport being compared to and piggybacking off men's sport. AFLW players don't "deserve" to make a living out of the game any more than the men do, except that the men draw in excess of 7 million people through the gates each season and the TV rights deal is worth hundreds of millions per year. Want to make a living playing VFL or WAFL? Forget it.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I don't think women's sport is outdated as a concept. Having an AFLW isn't a slap in the face to equality, and I'm more than happy for the AFL (not the "men's AFL", it's not called that) to be open to players of all sexes and genders. AFAIK there isn't a specific rule precluding women from registering for the AFL draft because it will never happen. The best player in the AFLW wouldn't get a kick playing TAC Cup or WAFL Colts.

What is outdated and out of step with equality is women's professional sport being compared to and piggybacking off men's sport. AFLW players don't "deserve" to make a living out of the game any more than the men do, except that the men draw in excess of 7 million people through the gates each season and the TV rights deal is worth hundreds of millions per year. Want to make a living playing VFL or WAFL? Forget it.

This response by Ronda Rousey to feminist rhetoric is priceless. Breaking down economic concepts in a way that the great unwashed can understand.

 

[the_interloper]

I don't think women's sport is outdated as a concept. Having an AFLW isn't a slap in the face to equality, and I'm more than happy for the AFL (not the "men's AFL", it's not called that) to be open to players of all sexes and genders. AFAIK there isn't a specific rule precluding women from registering for the AFL draft because it will never happen. The best player in the AFLW wouldn't get a kick playing TAC Cup or WAFL Colts.

What is outdated and out of step with equality is women's professional sport being compared to and piggybacking off men's sport. AFLW players don't "deserve" to make a living out of the game any more than the men do, except that the men draw in excess of 7 million people through the gates each season and the TV rights deal is worth hundreds of millions per year. Want to make a living playing VFL or WAFL? Forget it.

God damn I read some great repartee about this on LinkedIn. Feminist posts an article about the 90% pay gap in women's sport (specifically women's soccer), guy posts stats in differences on TV revenue, spectators etc, suggests pay is related to this. Feminist (who considers herself an academic mind you)

"Ask the female athletes about the pay gap. Try being a professional female athlete. Check your privilege please."

Feminist owned him, yep.

 

[Smartest Brain]

Boxing isn't the only sport with weight divisions. Wrestling, judo, and some other martial arts have separate comps by weight. It's implicit that the bigger competitors would beat the smaller ones.

Most other sports are split by male/female. The obvious reason for this is that males are more physically capable. Feminists somehow manage to compartmentalise their equality agenda when looking at this issue to support that there should be different sporting categories for males and females. For example, the best female tennis player earns many millions of dollars a year but is not in the top 300 tennis players if you include both male and female. Is it discriminatory against men?

At a local level you see boys teams struggling for resources for many years then a club puts its hand up for the girls and hey presto the local politicians fall over themselves to throw in cash.

The only reason women and men are separated in any sport is the patriarchy . Everyone knows men and women are equal and that if women weren't artificially held away from running they would beat Usain Bolt . Once society realises the truth then we will have equal 50% women in all professional male sports!!!

 

[Scotland]

This response by Ronda Rousey to feminist rhetoric is priceless. Breaking down economic concepts in a way that the great unwashed can understand.

Ronda Rousey is right about getting paid a lot because she generates a lot of money but she also says some weird things. Can't watch the clip right now but have seen her previously say that she's not 'Women's UFC champ' she's just 'UFC champ'. Errr no, you fought in women's bantamweight, not bantamweight.

 

[Scotland]

God damn I read some great repartee about this on LinkedIn. Feminist posts an article about the 90% pay gap in women's sport (specifically women's soccer), guy posts stats in differences on TV revenue, spectators etc, suggests pay is related to this. Feminist (who considers herself an academic mind you)

"Ask the female athletes about the pay gap. Try being a professional female athlete. Check your privilege please."

Feminist owned him, yep.

For those playing at home the highest paid male model in the world is some dude called Sean O'Pry who makes about $1.5m a year.

Kendall Jenner makes $22m. How can the top of the field in one gender make 15 times the other??? This is disgusting. I am outraged!

I mean personally I don't get why people care about her or any other of the hybrid Kardashian-Jenner circus but she is a walking, pouting ATM. Get her to flog whatever shit product you sell and sit back and count your millions Scrooge McDuck styles. That's why she gets paid so much. If as an oppressive white male I can see this, why can't women understand that Ronaldo, Messi, LeBron etc. make so much more money for their teams and sponsors, networks etc. than their female equivalents?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Apparently netball Australia is 4m in debt.

Is there any women's sports that doesn't lose a bunch of money every year?

Wafl.
WNBA.
Netball.

Etc. All seem like money holes.

Women's fighting perhaps. Tennis post Kournikova too

 

[the_interloper]

Apparently netball Australia is 4m in debt.

Is there any women's sports that doesn't lose a bunch of money every year?

Wafl.
WNBA.
Netball.

Etc. All seem like money holes.

Women's fighting perhaps. Tennis post Kournikova too

Women fight alongside the men at UFC events so it's hard to tell if it loses money. I wonder if any other sports have had a chat to the UFC about how they market the women fighters? They seem to have done it way better than nearly any other sport I can think of, it's newer for the UFC than sports leagues like the WNBA as well.

 

[Gethelred]

Apparently netball Australia is 4m in debt.

Is there any women's sports that doesn't lose a bunch of money every year?

Wafl.
WNBA.
Netball.

Etc. All seem like money holes.

Women's fighting perhaps. Tennis post Kournikova too

Marcel, this could be a very interesting thread topic...

... until we see the posters - both those still with us, but mainly those who haven't - who have shared their opinions on something parallel to it in this thread.

I really wish you would learn to leave dormant threads alone.

In the meantime, pay attention to the rules and we can discuss the thread topic. Any hint of transphobia or misogyny will be infracted and the thread locked to prevent Future Marcel from coming back to it in 5 years time.

 

[burge13]

Women fight alongside the men at UFC events so it's hard to tell if it loses money. I wonder if any other sports have had a chat to the UFC about how they market the women fighters? They seem to have done it way better than nearly any other sport I can think of, it's newer for the UFC than sports leagues like the WNBA as well.

Difference is with combat sports more than any other is you get paid for what you bring in. Big gates, ppv sales etc earn you more. Rousey earned a truckload. Combat sport is the most equitably paid sport in the world. Shields v Marshall last weekend was the most watched boxing event on sky sports the last decade (in the UK).

Wnba is unprofitable, theyre lucky to earn what they do. Almost all team sports are propped up by the men and would fold if needing to fund themselves.