Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Aristotle Pickett]

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At least 7,028 Palestinians have been killed, including 2,913 children, in Israeli strikes on Gaza since 7 October, the health ministry in Hamas-controlled Gaza said on Thursday, according to Reuters. The claims have not been independently verified.

Biden said on Wednesday he had “no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using” for the death toll, but he did not offer further details. The UN relies on the Gaza ministry for death toll figures.

In the US, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said it was “deeply disturbed” by Biden’s comments on the Gaza figures, and called on the president to apologise.

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[ZEV]

No sorry

I don’t really understand bigotry nor really have any interest in doing so, but that is my best guess, combined with certain social and economic factors.

 

[Munich]

Interesting take.

Who hates the Jews in this context? As for Israel's survival; you can't live off the horrors of the holocaust indefinitely when as a country you're busy obliterating the Palestinian people.

Note since I suspect you'll make this claim; I do not support the action of Hamas. Palestinian people and Hamas are not one and the same.

This. Perfectly said.

 

[PieLebo87]

Interesting take.

Who hates the Jews in this context? As for Israel's survival; you can't live off the horrors of the holocaust indefinitely when as a country you're busy obliterating the Palestinian people.

Note since I suspect you'll make this claim; I do not support the action of Hamas. Palestinian people and Hamas are not one and the same.

This. Perfectly said.

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[Roylion]

Israel is a settler colonial project from Europe.

By Jews who claim that they are part of a repatriation of a long displaced indigenous population to their historic homeland. Some, such as historian Selwyn Ilan Troen, also argue that the concept that Palestinians are indigenous people of the region is a recent phenomenon.

 

[fishardansin]

By Jews who claim that they are part of a repatriation of a long displaced indigenous population to their historic homeland. Some, such as historian Selwyn Ilan Troen, also argue that the concept that Palestinians are indigenous people of the region is a recent phenomenon.

Yeah, it is kind of silly though isn't it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Two hundred chairs, each bearing the portrait of a hostage kidnapped by Hamas during its attacks on 7 October, have been set up outside the UN European headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. Behind them, a large banner reads: “Bring them home.”



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EU leaders unanimously call for humanitarian corridors – as it happened

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[Aristotle Pickett]

'Arab countries condemn targeting of civilians in Gaza
A joint statement signed by the foreign ministers of nine Arab countries has condemned what it described as the targeting of civilians and violations of international law in Gaza, Reuters reports.

It also condemned the forced displacement and what it saw as collective punishment in Gaza. The right to self defence does not justify breaking the law and neglecting Palestinian rights, the statement noted.

The statement was signed by the foreign ministers of the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, Egypt and Morocco.'

From Guardian live feed.

EU leaders unanimously call for humanitarian corridors – as it happened

This blog is closed. See our Israel-Hamas war coverage here.

www.theguardian.com

 

[fishardansin]

Two hundred chairs, each bearing the portrait of a hostage kidnapped by Hamas during its attacks on 7 October, have been set up outside the UN European headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. Behind them, a large banner reads: “Bring them home.”

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EU leaders unanimously call for humanitarian corridors – as it happened

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Stop the bombing and do a hostage swap then. Israel has 1000s of Palestinians being held hostage.

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 "administrative detainees" (incarcerated without charge).

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Stop the bombing and do a hostage swap then. Israel has 1000s of Palestinians being held hostage.

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 "administrative detainees" (incarcerated without charge).

I agree, the Israel government is doing nothing to help these hostages. They're just pawns in the game.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

' Israel’s 19-day bombing campaign in Gaza has become one of the most intense of the 21st century, prompting growing global scrutiny of its scale, purpose and cost to human life.'

Israel’s Strikes on Gaza Are Some of the Most Intense This Century (Published 2023)

In the 19 days since Hamas attacked Israel, the Israeli military says it has struck more than 7,000 targets in Gaza. Palestinians accuse Israel of indiscriminately targeting civilians, but Israel officials say the strikes are aimed at eroding military infrastructure.

www.nytimes.com

 

[JayJ20]

Stop the bombing and do a hostage swap then. Israel has 1000s of Palestinians being held hostage.

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 "administrative detainees" (incarcerated without charge).

Exactly. I read a figure that over 600 are currently imprisoned without a charge. To them, being Palestinian automatically makes them a suspect. Release those prisoners and I am certain the hostages would be delivered straight to them.

What I find hilarious is that the pro-Israeli side would absolutely never accept these conditions for themselves.
Can you imagine if Palestinians were setting up military check points, killing Jews indiscriminately, running an apartheid system, blockade of humanitarian aid, imprisoning Jews without charge, cutting off electricity, water and food, ethnically cleansing Jews from regions, setting up settler colonies and raiding towns?

It would have been world war III in no time.

 

[Roby]

' Israel’s 19-day bombing campaign in Gaza has become one of the most intense of the 21st century, prompting growing global scrutiny of its scale, purpose and cost to human life.'

Israel’s Strikes on Gaza Are Some of the Most Intense This Century (Published 2023)

In the 19 days since Hamas attacked Israel, the Israeli military says it has struck more than 7,000 targets in Gaza. Palestinians accuse Israel of indiscriminately targeting civilians, but Israel officials say the strikes are aimed at eroding military infrastructure.

www.nytimes.com

They're basically saying in that article that they have only just begun (and that would include the killing), and at this rate they will kill tens of thousands (if not in the hundreds) in a years time. Not to mention the absolute despair and humanitarian crisis it creates.

I don't see how if they continue with what is clearly either genocide or expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland, how the Arab world, Muslims (or even China and North Korea later on) don't use this as an opportunity to justify something worse.

I don't see how this ends well for Israel. They're a tiny country. For all their bravado and military might, it wouldn't take long to level Jerusalem or Tel Aviv to rubble.

 

[Roby]

Exactly. I read a figure that over 600 are currently imprisoned without a charge.

It's over a 1000, and some of them are children.

But let's not forget that Gaza is an open air prison, slash, concentration camp. So there's millions imprisoned without charge.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

They're basically saying in that article that they have only just begun (and that would include the killing), and at this rate they will kill tens of thousands (if not in the hundreds) in a years time. Not to mention the absolute despair and humanitarian crisis it creates.

I don't see how if they continue with what is clearly either genocide or expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland, how the Arab world, Muslims (or even China and North Korea later on) don't use this as an opportunity to justify something worse.

I don't see how this ends well for Israel. They're a tiny country. For all their bravado and military might, it wouldn't take long to level Jerusalem or Tel Aviv to rubble.

Israel is well protected by its defences and America. Thats why they act with impunity imo.
It will affect Jews outside of Israel more than Israelis imo.

 

[Number37]

Lebanese are distancing themselves from the Palestinians' plight, what's your point?

My point is that the hubris of Israel is doing far more damage to Israel than Hamas ever could.

 

[Saint]

When the US were bombing Afghanistan and Iraq and saying they were taking out key targets, they at least noted which target they were after, and what their overall strategy was.

Netanyahu hasn't said what he wants, other than "release the hostages and we'll stop collectively punishing" (and presumably up the carpet bombing).

Israel have also barely ever said who these bombs are aimed at. And that's because they're firing nearly indiscriminately in civilian areas.

Even the US, UK and EU are struggling to justify anything Israel is doing because Israel aren't bothering to pretend that they have actual targets or goals. Israel, and her supporters, seem offended that anyone even asks that they try not to kill thousands more innocent civilians.

It's just the irony that after WW2 even more stringent "never-again" policies were introduced, and have been obeyed mostly because of what happened to civilians, Jewish people, and a Jewish state was even created. And since that occurred, the most frequent violator of the rules has been the nation of the people many those rules were set up to protect. Geneva convention for me, carpet bombing and ethnic cleansing for thee.

 

[Roylion]

Yeah, it is kind of silly though isn't it.

There's little doubt that the Jewish people have a historical, cultural and religious connection to the region of Palestine and in particular to the city and surrounds of Jerusalem.

 

[Saint]

There's little doubt that the Jewish people have a historical, cultural and religious connection to the region of Palestine and in particular to the city and surrounds of Jerusalem.

There's little doubt that Jewish, Christian and Islamic and Druze people have a historical, cultural and religious connection to the region of Palestine and in particular to the city and surrounds of Jerusalem.

You missed a few.

 

[MrSwannee84]

Exactly. I read a figure that over 600 are currently imprisoned without a charge. To them, being Palestinian automatically makes them a suspect. Release those prisoners and I am certain the hostages would be delivered straight to them.

What I find hilarious is that the pro-Israeli side would absolutely never accept these conditions for themselves.
Can you imagine if Palestinians were setting up military check points, killing Jews indiscriminately, running an apartheid system, blockade of humanitarian aid, imprisoning Jews without charge, cutting off electricity, water and food, ethnically cleansing Jews from regions, setting up settler colonies and raiding towns?

It would have been world war III in no time.

Wasn't the second paragraph what the Germans did during the Holocaust in WWII?

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[Saint]

Exactly. I read a figure that over 600 are currently imprisoned without a charge. To them, being Palestinian automatically makes them a suspect. Release those prisoners and I am certain the hostages would be delivered straight to them.

What I find hilarious is that the pro-Israeli side would absolutely never accept these conditions for themselves.
Can you imagine if Palestinians were setting up military check points, killing Jews indiscriminately, running an apartheid system, blockade of humanitarian aid, imprisoning Jews without charge, cutting off electricity, water and food, ethnically cleansing Jews from regions, setting up settler colonies and raiding towns?

It would have been world war III in no time.

The British did that in Palestine because Zionist terrorist cells were setting up IEDs inside dead British Soldiers.

Don't worry, they have museums for their terror groups like Haganah and actually do celebrate them quite a lot internally. The equivalent of museums to Hamas.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

How did you go?

As far as I can tell there wasnt one beheaded baby, let alone 40.

How media outlets and politicians amplified uncorroborated reports of beheaded babies in Israel The claim stemmed from reporting by an Israel-based news reporter who cited Israeli soldiers. The report has not been corroborated by other sources

I wonder how many times that claim has been cited in this thread alone (let alone the president of the US and Israel) to dehumanise Palestinians and justify war crimes against them.

i spent like 20 mins looking but cant find it. If it pops up again ill PM it too you.

I dont use twitter so searching for it without an account kinda sucks

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I really wouldn't trust them.

Haven't heard about a UN inspector.

Gaza hospital blast: What does new analysis tell us?

The BBC Verify team examines the latest evidence and assessments about what may have caused the explosion.

www.bbc.com

Read above, former UN War Crimes inspector points finger at small munitions or a rocket, totally inconsistent with an airstrike. 20 years experience in the region and is very familar with munitions used by Israel in Gaza.

Why dont you trust US & French intelligence?

Who do you trust as a source?

 

[faible]

Who do you trust as a source?

Let's be honest here, right now I don't think you can trust any source unequivocally.

Western media in general, and US media in particular has been very pro-Israel for a very long time. There appears to be a groundswell of support for the Palestinian people that is forcing Western media outlets to at least acknowledge some of the actions taken by Israel in response to October 7th is unacceptable.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Let's be honest here, right now I don't think you can trust any source unequivocally.

Western media in general, and US media in particular has been very pro-Israel for a very long time. There appears to be a groundswell of support for the Palestinian people that is forcing Western media outlets to at least acknowledge some of the actions taken by Israel in response to October 7th is unacceptable.

i mean thats a fine stance.

if you dont want to believe any at face value than i get that (hence why i believe the UN War Crimes investigator), but there's plenty of people on this forum who seem to discount what western intelligence say, but then take Al Jazeera's word as gospel.

Bizzare IMO. People discount one version based on a perceived interest, but not the other?