Its time to go Trigg!!!!

[rayven]

I hope people do remember Trigg, no matter what happens next, for smashing the way through what really was a glass ceeling ,that us non Victorians were being held down by.

He had the guts to go out in public and declare the unfair advantage of the finals system and he even talked about court action. The reaction was almost immeadite.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I hope people do remember Trigg, no matter what happens next, for smashing the way through what really was a glass ceeling ,that us non Victorians were being held down by.

He had the guts to go out in public and declare the unfair advantage of the finals system and he even talked about court action. The reaction was almost immeadite.

Can you support this? I seem to remember it changing after a year we didnt make the finals (and Brisbane were robbed of a home prelim).

 

[rayven]

Can you support this? I seem to remember it changing after a year we didnt make the finals (and Brisbane were robbed of a home prelim).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-07-25/crows-call-for-prelim-rules-change/2066250

One story from July 05

The Crows chief executive, Mr Steven Trigg, said with five weeks to go before the finals, the AFL need to give priority to fixing the matter.
"We haven't had a resolution to it yet and it's of some concern," he said.
"Not just for us but for, again, the reputation and the integrity of the competition, and what's fair and reasonable and what we've seen over the last couple of years is unfair."
While the AFL has held talks with the MCC to try and find a way to get around its contract, Mr Trigg said the AFL need to find a solution.
"It now has been too many times and we're faced with the possibility of it happening again," he said.
"We just want to be clear that it's being pushed as hard as it possibly can be."

Now there's a presser where he spoke quite assertively about the options available, i don't know if thats available.

 

[swanfan]

Tell me about this 'boys club'.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Different situation I think - because not all the facts - nor the consequences are public as yet. And perhaps they learned from the Rendell incident?

What, the one you're defending?

You are all over the shop like a mad woman's breakfast.

 

[ManInTheArena]

But this issue has been in the public domain for over a year and has been denied. Did Trigg deny its existence to the board? They claim to be not aware of it. So either the board is lying, or they never asked which means they are incompetent, or they did ask and were lied to. If you lied to your board would you be sacked if it had consequences in terms of a penalty and damage to your brand?

If I deliberately lied to them and hid the truth, yes, I would expect them to sack me. I'm not sure if that's what Trigg has done. He obviously didn't mention the John Reid email to them, maybe because he thought it was dealt with. The board don't need to know every time he takes a piss, it's his job to take care of business. He said that there was a 'gentlemen's agreement' and I'm assuming the board knew this, if they didn't know that then it's sackable because obviously they would have asked considering it was in the media. The AFL are investigating the email but who was to know that 'numb nuts Blutcher' would try to hold us to ransom over it, particularly after Trigg communicated that it was null three weeks after the fact. Trigg could have just assumed it was dealt with and not reported it. Based on this I don't think it's sackable.

If he deliberately lied to them and hid the truth then that's another story, off with his head. The problem is though that most posters on here seem to think he should tell the board every time he takes he piss. That's not the board's job (to manage) and I wouldn't work for a board like that. If it were me it may have been something I reported to avoid 'surprises', but as I have said previously, on rare occasions I miss things or even leave borderline issues out of reporting.

 

[Elite Crow]

If I deliberately lied to them and hid the truth, yes, I would expect them to sack me. I'm not sure if that's what Trigg has done. He obviously didn't mention the John Reid email to them, maybe because he thought it was dealt with. The board don't need to know every time he takes a piss, it's his job to take care of business. He said that there was a 'gentlemen's agreement' and I'm assuming the board knew this, if they didn't know that then it's sackable because obviously they would have asked considering it was in the media. The AFL are investigating the email but who was to know that 'numb nuts Blutcher' would try to hold us to ransom over it, particularly after Trigg communicated that it was null three weeks after the fact. Trigg could have just assumed it was dealt with and not reported it. Based on this I don't think it's sackable.

If he deliberately lied to them and hid the truth then that's another story, off with his head. The problem is though that most posters on here seem to think he should tell the board every time he takes he piss. That's not the board's job (to manage) and I wouldn't work for a board like that. If it were me it may have been something I reported to avoid 'surprises', but as I have said previously, on rare occasions I miss things or even leave borderline issues out of reporting.

Most posters on here think he should tell the board every time he takes a piss, care to provide examples of this please.

 

[footy4ever]

If you're apathetic about the fortunes and reputation of our club that's fine - it's your right - but don't pass judgment on those that aren't. Some of us care.

It's not a matter of being apathetic, it's a matter of being able to distinguish between major and minor issues. It is surely an issue, but it's received way more hype and media coverage and dramatic reaction on the Adelaide board than that of which it's worthy.

Perspective isn't the stuff they use instead of glass. Anyone would think AFC held candle-lit clandestine meetings whispering about and carrying out plots to destroy and take over the AFL. First the AFL, next the world.

 

[Elite Crow]

It's not a matter of being apathetic, it's a matter of being able to distinguish between major and minor issues. It is surely an issue, but it's received way more hype and media coverage and dramatic reaction on the Adelaide board than that of which it's worthy.

Perspective isn't the stuff they use instead of glass. Anyone would think AFC held candle-lit clandestine meetings whispering about and carrying out plots to destroy and take over the AFL. First the AFL, next the world.

Well I suppose we will soon find out when the penalties are handed out whether the coverage has been justified. But considering we lost Tippett for nothing due to it then it's already a major issue or do you think not being able to trade a valuable player minor?

 

[footy4ever]

Well I suppose we will soon find out when the penalties are handed out whether the coverage has been justified. But considering we lost Tippett for nothing due to it then it's already a major issue or do you think not being able to trade a valuable player minor?

Major issue? Not to me, especially considering this years lopsided draft. Cross the border for your past and present major issues.

Even if we don't get draft picks this year, at least we don't have to endure maintaining a White in the SANFL.

AFC will probably get fined as well, but it won't even falter if the fine is proportionate to those given to other clubs for past antics. Though I do expect the AFL to be overly hard, AFC will barely blink at any fair and proportionate monetary punishment.

 

[Alby_Green]

Can someone tell me: how is the SANFL commission appointed?

Here you go:
http://www.sanfl.com.au/the_sanfl/sa_football_commission/

 

[johnnypanther]

I would prefer that Trigg stays on as CEO regardless of the outcome of the AFL investigations.
I think that he has earned enough brownie points, and with the pending move to the Adelaide Oval and other changes, that now is not the time for instability. Despite my misgivings over the Rendell affair, (and anyway i blame Vlad primarily), i have a lot of respect for the way Trigg has carried out the job in a professional manner and i think our Club was, and still is/will be highly rated for its approach, .
Having said that, i always wished that we be more hardball outwardly and get rid of the "nice guy" image we have.
Paraphrasing/quoting some posters comments into a brief summary of this stance:

"He can be a bit of a pompous stuffed shirt at times, but overall he has done a far better job than this board tends to give him credit for, and he was highly respected by the AFL before Tippettgate broke
The Tippett saga is a sad one as on the back of Bock and Davis leaving, in 2009 we HAD to sign Tippett. It was a must for all fans and had we not, everyone here would have demanded sackings of key personnel! We were the ones demanding that our admin stop being church boys and play hard ball - pushing the boundaries!

Oh, and remember...crows were one kick away from Trigg being a very clever loveable larrikin and a great leader for having condoned the Tippett contract (I'm guessing he condoned it), considering Tippett's performance in the Prelim
If we had won the flag this year with the Muppett kicking 5 in the Granny, the deal would have between a masterstroke. We sell our soul for a premiership
no-one is saying what the crows did was right, but it doesn't even come close to creating the need for slash-your-wrists reactions as have been posted on the Adelaide board. It's all been a bit drama queenish

....and that although we had guaranteed them, we didn't make any 3rd party payments to Tippett, as there was no shortfall. i.e. we are not serial offenders and these Tippett offences were one-offs not consistent with the way we normally operate.

For all the precious morals police out there, if it's Trigg's role in this whole piddling non event that upsets you, you might consider finding a club that has had less misdemeanours than the AFC.
But it would be very naive to believe that none of the other 17 teams don't have a verbal out of contract agreement with a player that would match or exceed what Adelaide have done.
They're just not stupid enough to put it into print.
This whole affair needs some perspective. I stick by what I've said before. Tippett, Trigg, the whole thing, is petty, by comparison to other Clubs' stuff ups and intentional cheating. The AFL will be hypocrites if the Crows get anywhere near the same 'punishment' as....Carlton for instance"
Everybody has their own opinions based on their value systems, knee-jerk reactions, bias etc and nobody can say that they are correct, but i want Triggy to stay.
However, i do want the club to make sure that they do use properly the sophisticated "brown paper bag" systems that every other club uses towards a premiership.

 

[Bugga1962]

I would prefer that Trigg stays on as CEO regardless of the outcome of the AFL investigations.
I think that he has earned enough brownie points, and with the pending move to the Adelaide Oval and other changes, that now is not the time for instability. Despite my misgivings over the Rendell affair, (and anyway i blame Vlad primarily), i have a lot of respect for the way Trigg has carried out the job in a professional manner and i think our Club was, and still is/will be highly rated for its approach, .
Having said that, i always wished that we be more hardball outwardly and get rid of the "nice guy" image we have.
Paraphrasing/quoting some posters comments into a brief summary of this stance:

"He can be a bit of a pompous stuffed shirt at times, but overall he has done a far better job than this board tends to give him credit for, and he was highly respected by the AFL before Tippettgate broke
The Tippett saga is a sad one as on the back of Bock and Davis leaving, in 2009 we HAD to sign Tippett. It was a must for all fans and had we not, everyone here would have demanded sackings of key personnel! We were the ones demanding that our admin stop being church boys and play hard ball - pushing the boundaries!

Oh, and remember...crows were one kick away from Trigg being a very clever loveable larrikin and a great leader for having condoned the Tippett contract (I'm guessing he condoned it), considering Tippett's performance in the Prelim
If we had won the flag this year with the Muppett kicking 5 in the Granny, the deal would have between a masterstroke. We sell our soul for a premiership
no-one is saying what the crows did was right, but it doesn't even come close to creating the need for slash-your-wrists reactions as have been posted on the Adelaide board. It's all been a bit drama queenish

....and that although we had guaranteed them, we didn't make any 3rd party payments to Tippett, as there was no shortfall. i.e. we are not serial offenders and these Tippett offences were one-offs not consistent with the way we normally operate.

For all the precious morals police out there, if it's Trigg's role in this whole piddling non event that upsets you, you might consider finding a club that has had less misdemeanours than the AFC.
But it would be very naive to believe that none of the other 17 teams don't have a verbal out of contract agreement with a player that would match or exceed what Adelaide have done.
They're just not stupid enough to put it into print.
This whole affair needs some perspective. I stick by what I've said before. Tippett, Trigg, the whole thing, is petty, by comparison to other Clubs' stuff ups and intentional cheating. The AFL will be hypocrites if the Crows get anywhere near the same 'punishment' as....Carlton for instance"
Everybody has their own opinions based on their value systems, knee-jerk reactions, bias etc and nobody can say that they are correct, but i want Triggy to stay.
However, i do want the club to make sure that they do use properly the sophisticated "brown paper bag" systems that every other club uses towards a premiership.

No offence but what a pathetic view to take on the situation. To say regardless of the outcome of the investigation you will still want him as the head of our football club is idiotic. He is not the only man capable of being a brilliant CEO of our football club.

IF the club is fined and loses draft picks he must be sacked. It would mean he took an illegal gamble on a contract and it didnt pay off. Thats was his choice and he must wear the consequences. To say that makes us ruthless and should command us some respect is laughable. Look at Geelongs culture it isnt built on decieving the AFL it is built on years of hard work and good management.

On a side note if we had won the flag im not even sure the AFL wouldnt of stripped us of it. If we won it with a player playing illegally then they would have every right to take it from us its not a good look. So in hindsight if thats true we were NEVER in the premiership race this year and that was Triggs poor management. He simply must go or i and many others will not renew our memberships.

 

[fabs33]

I'd just like to say that what annoys me most in this whole saga isn't that we cheated, it's that we were stupid and naive enough to agree with anything that could result in making our team worse. It's one thing to offer more money to a player to retain him but to actually agree to trade our most valuable* player for a second round pick is ludicrous, assuming there is any truth to this story at all. Still I will say it again; I will try to wait until the AFL delivers it's findings before I start pointing any fingers.

*by valuable I mean market value.

 

[johnnypanther]

No offence but what a pathetic view to take on the situation. To say regardless of the outcome of the investigation you will still want him as the head of our football club is idiotic. He is not the only man capable of being a brilliant CEO of our football club.

IF the club is fined and loses draft picks he must be sacked. It would mean he took an illegal gamble on a contract and it didnt pay off. Thats was his choice and he must wear the consequences. To say that makes us ruthless and should command us some respect is laughable. Look at Geelongs culture it isnt built on decieving the AFL it is built on years of hard work and good management.

On a side note if we had won the flag im not even sure the AFL wouldnt of stripped us of it. If we won it with a player playing illegally then they would have every right to take it from us its not a good look. So in hindsight if thats true we were NEVER in the premiership race this year and that was Triggs poor management. He simply must go or i and many others will not renew our memberships.

Yes, well i do take offence, because as i said there is no formula that says x is right, and y is wrong - it's all a matter of opinion.
Furthermore, i can assure you that i'm no idiot - i'ld back my house as to my intelligence against most people anytime.
It was my opinion only - and as for the "regardless of the outcome" bit - that was predicated on the likely worst case scenarios as to what we have done & assuming there there is nothing else major to come out.

Of course he is not the only man capable of being a good CEO (i didnt say brilliant) but they dont grow on trees (see Port's history and other clubs) and he has a proven long track record even with his mistakes.

and Why "must (he) be sacked"?
Different judges give different sentences for the same offence - i chose to give him a "good behaviour bond"

Geelong hasnt been caught out and as i alluded have probably just done it "properly"

 

[fabs33]

On a side note if we had won the flag im not even sure the AFL wouldnt of stripped us of it. If we won it with a player playing illegally then they would have every right to take it from us its not a good look. So in hindsight if thats true we were NEVER in the premiership race this year and that was Triggs poor management. He simply must go or i and many others will not renew our memberships.

Depends on whether we got caught or not. Perhaps if we had some more experience in cheating the whole thing would never have gotten out into the public domain. A lot of us have suspected certain teams of doing similar for a long time, but what matters isn't whether they are doing it or not it, it's whether they are caught.

 

[footy4ever]

The old if you are not a CEO you can't comment. Well I am a deputy CEO is that close enough? Trigg must go if he knew about our illegal dealings, but the club will sweep Ito under the carpet, thanks to the boys club.

'The old'??...can't say I've ever used it before. And you are right, you don't have to be CEO to make comment (though I never said that). But peers judging peers? People who understand everything about the role of the occupation or position and are probably in a more informed position to do the judging? Some people are better positioned to judge.

Illegal dealings?? Will he be sent to jail? What if he knew someone was stealing from the coke machine? Should he be sacked for that?

BTW it could be a lot worse than what we've been fed so far, in which case I will light the torches along with everyone else, but lets wait until we know the enormity of it.

Having a side deal not sanctioned by the AFL agreeing to a second round draft pick in a go home agreement (though similar deals have been sanctioned in the past, and a 2nd round being derived from the exact value the AFL placed on Tippett at the time of the 'contract') or paying a player extra money while still remaining under the salary cap (again as we have been led to believe) is not a major crime, nor worthy of someone losing their livelihood because of it. Not informing the AFL seems to be the crime so far, and major? I don't think so.

I'm not a CEO, but I'll wait for the facts, make comment and probably condemn or vindicate depending on what comes to light.

Other CEO's will look at it and smirk, knowing very well what's involved in the job.

 

[bjn1960]

Johnnypanther - if we'd won the GF with tiprat's five goals and this whole fiasco then caused the AFL to null the result - a masterstroke of a deal - would not be the most prolific phrase being utterred by supporters, to describe the 2012 season!

 

[Bugga1962]

Depends on whether we got caught or not. Perhaps if we had some more experience in cheating the whole thing would never have gotten out into the public domain. A lot of us have suspected certain teams of doing similar for a long time, but what matters isn't whether they are doing it or not it, it's whether they are caught.

Fair call as there would be numerous clubs doing the same or similar things. But that brings the point back to Trigg being stupid enough to leave a paper trail. Do you really want somebody leading you club that decides to go against the rules and then breaks rule no.1 of cheating never to leave the paper trail.

 

[bjn1960]

footy4ever - I'm not persuaded that priests judging other priests regarding molestation claims (due to their knowlege of occupation) is necessarily the best way to go!​

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an extreme example granted.​

 

[boffo]

Can someone tell me: how is the SANFL commission appointed?

very good question.

The Commission is appointed by the ten league directors (one from each SANFL club +1 community football rep)

The AFC board is appointed by the Commission

So there are a couple of layers, all 'appointed', keeps control of positions which go to 'who you know'. And I don't know of any mechanism for appeals, or outside scrutiny or accountability.

As an added insult to us, members can vote to 'nominate' a representative for the AFC board, but that person/s cannot get on the board through an election but would be 'considered' by the commission for a board place. IIRC, no members nomination has ever actually made the board (unlike Port who used to get 4 directly elected members).

How do you get rid of the board or the commission. You can't. There is no mechanism for people to be removed other than by other members of the boys club. It's an environment where they look after each other e.g Leigh Whicker's comment on Trigg (Whicker is on the Commission).

When I think about how it works there is only one conclusion - Trigg is safe.

(or at worst leaves of his own accord after a face-saving lapse of time)

 

[Lawrst]

he was highly respected by the AFL before Tippettgate broke

Doesnt that mean he is a good boy and doesnt make waves?

 

[johnnypanther]

Johnnypanther - if we'd won the GF with tiprat's five goals and this whole fiasco then caused the AFL to null the result - a masterstroke of a deal - would not be the most prolific phrase being utterred by supporters, to describe the 2012 season!

Well, if the AFL nulled the result on the basis of

'
Having a side deal not sanctioned by the AFL agreeing to a second round draft pick in a go home agreement (though similar deals have been sanctioned in the past, and a 2nd round being derived from the exact value the AFL placed on Tippett at the time of the 'contract') or paying a player extra money while still remaining under the salary cap (again as we have been led to believe) is not a major crime, nor worthy of someone losing their livelihood because of it. Not informing the AFL seems to be the crime so far, and major? I don't think so".

then I would expect our club to take it all the way through the Courts.
It would be a ludicrous position if the AFL nulled a premiership on such minor grounds.

 

[johnnypanther]

Doesnt that mean he is a good boy and doesnt make waves?

Probably, and yes he doesnt make waves outwardly but we dont know what he says internally through the channels.

Nevertheless, i do agree, he does need to be more openly "hostile" towards the AFL - unfortunately, life shows that those who make the most noise generally get something and that cliche "nice guys finish last" does have more than an element of truth in it - and that just shows how far society has still to evolve....

 

[Apsaalooke]

IF the club is fined and loses draft picks he must be sacked. It would mean he took an illegal gamble on a contract and it didnt pay off. Thats was his choice and he must wear the consequences. To say that makes us ruthless and should command us some respect is laughable. Look at Geelongs culture it isnt built on decieving the AFL it is built on years of hard work and good management.
.

and, to be fair, father-son picks (not a defence of Trigg BTW)