Prediction When is the soonest we can expect to go deep in finals?
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Genuinely dont think itll take that one if/when he gets the flick.
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It's a bit hit-or-miss as to whether a new coach takes just one or two years to make finals. McRae, Goodwin, Kingsley, Lyon, Voss, and a bit further ago Beveridge and Hinkley all examples of such, while it took Fagan/Mitchell/Longmuir/Cameron three seasons to do so
I dont think we can win the flag or anything, but we could easily make the 8.
I don't think our list is that far off it now, talent-wise. Presumably we'll top up the midfield in this draft with Draper or whoever. Then the only major deficiencies I see are a key forward to replace Tex (whether that's Welsh or Murray or somebody else we need to bring in I don't know) and a half decent ruckman, and even that position is a bit of a luxury if you've got the rest of the pieces in place around it.
With a decent coach who makes smart selection calls and reasonable luck with injuries we could jump to a semi or prelim the first year. So the question becomes, when is the first year? Probably too late to sack Nicks now, so 2026 or 2027 at the earleist.
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I cant see us playing finals until the late 2020s.. there are just too many sides above us with better lists and better run clubs.. so as for the question "going deep into finals" i would say 2030+
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Nicks, Roo, Justin Reid, Hamish Ogilvie.... etc
Nicks and Roo are the main ones.
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I think the ones who have scouted our players we have drafted need to go..
I wonder how Nicks would be if he had Butters instead of Jones or if we had drafted Tim English or Sam Powell-pepper over Galluci etc etc.
Our list is good enough to be making finals, regardless of whether we picked Jones or McHenry.
Hamish wanted English BTW.
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Yes, most people tend to forget other clubs are looking to improve too.
I reckon we are two a grade/elite mids and a coaching panel away from contending.
Our bookends are quite good.
Maybe 2027 onwards.
Need to churn out Laird/Smith/Tex/RoB
By then these guys will be gone.
Bring a competitive Ruck. Don't need a star Ruck to win a flag.
Our bookends are quite good.
Maybe 2027 onwards.
Need to churn out Laird/Smith/Tex/RoB
By then these guys will be gone.
Bring a competitive Ruck. Don't need a star Ruck to win a flag.
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We should be aiming to go deep in 2025.
Looking at our strengths - our forward line should be very very good in 2025.
TT will have another offseason to get stronger and should be set to rip the league apart. He was due a breakout, but obviously his injury limited him. When he came back he was top 20 for contested marks, 10th in the AFL for goals, and 6th for Marks inside 50. He should be a 50+ goal dominant forward in 2025. FOG proved to be a very good 2nd forward in 2024 kicking 40 goals and should continue to grow. We have very good secondary players in Rachele / Keays and ANB will be a massive upgrade on Murphy. Throw in Tex as the wily vet and its a top 3 forward line in the AFL.
Our backline should be very good as well.
We are young, but settled. Murray will be another preseason removed from his ACL. Butts/Keane are very serviceable as 2nd KPD. Worrell is a great 3rd tall and Max could be bloody anything. Hinge / Cumming should provide plenty of run off half back. Lots of versatility here.
Our midfield can be competitive with Crouch, Dawson, Rankine, Soligo and hopefully Draper. If we can add Peatling it will be a big lift. Not a great midfield by any means, but should be competitive.
If we can get a massive spike from one or two of Curtin/Nankervis/Pedlar then thats an added bonus.
We 100% have the list.
Looking at our strengths - our forward line should be very very good in 2025.
TT will have another offseason to get stronger and should be set to rip the league apart. He was due a breakout, but obviously his injury limited him. When he came back he was top 20 for contested marks, 10th in the AFL for goals, and 6th for Marks inside 50. He should be a 50+ goal dominant forward in 2025. FOG proved to be a very good 2nd forward in 2024 kicking 40 goals and should continue to grow. We have very good secondary players in Rachele / Keays and ANB will be a massive upgrade on Murphy. Throw in Tex as the wily vet and its a top 3 forward line in the AFL.
Our backline should be very good as well.
We are young, but settled. Murray will be another preseason removed from his ACL. Butts/Keane are very serviceable as 2nd KPD. Worrell is a great 3rd tall and Max could be bloody anything. Hinge / Cumming should provide plenty of run off half back. Lots of versatility here.
Our midfield can be competitive with Crouch, Dawson, Rankine, Soligo and hopefully Draper. If we can add Peatling it will be a big lift. Not a great midfield by any means, but should be competitive.
If we can get a massive spike from one or two of Curtin/Nankervis/Pedlar then thats an added bonus.
We 100% have the list.
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This is one of the biggest cop outs to defend Hamish by his superfan Bicks.
Selecting English with pick 16 would have been 100% the wrong decision with where our list was at.
At the 2016 draft we had just finished 5th, missing the top 4 by percentage. We had publicly declared that our window was opening up in 2017 and we had a 28 year old Sauce who was in his absolute prime and finished 4th in the B&F in 2017. We also had ROB on the main list as backup and Paul Hunter on the rookie list as emergency depth.
Selecting a long term ruckman to develop with a first round pick would have been absolutely stupid and the decision to select a non-ruck man was correct.
The issue was that Hamish selected bust Galluci - rather than Berry / SPP / Bolton.
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Agree to disagree I suppose.
Hamish has had his ordinary drafts, and the selection of Gallucci wasn't a good one.
Disagree almost entirely with the rest of the rant though
it starts off this year with how we go in regards to trading and drafting this year. At this stage we have Cumming and ANB with a strong chance of Peatling.
I believe our defence and forwardline is fine moving forward but our midfield is what is lacking. I’d want us to start moving away from Crouch and Laird from the midfield and be replaced by our pick 4 / Taylor or Dowling.
I genuinely think we will make top 8 next season.
I believe our defence and forwardline is fine moving forward but our midfield is what is lacking. I’d want us to start moving away from Crouch and Laird from the midfield and be replaced by our pick 4 / Taylor or Dowling.
I genuinely think we will make top 8 next season.
I dunno man. Realistically we have a good forward line and defence. Dawson + Rankine should be gun mostly permanent mids. Crouch is... OK. If we had 2x more top flight mids, we'd be sweet. Our depth sucks a bit though.
We could make the finals next year if we:
Add to that list Jones, Berry (kinda did), Cook, Milera, Sholl (actually improved) who we were all bullish about, but it didn't happen. So... no confidence it will again.
We could make the finals next year if we:
- Don't **** up the first 4 games of the season by doing the opposite of what works for us.
- Get a lift out of the various 21/22 year oldish guys as they come into their prime.
They were supposed to do that this year. It's a good story to sell, except... it didn't happen.
Add to that list Jones, Berry (kinda did), Cook, Milera, Sholl (actually improved) who we were all bullish about, but it didn't happen. So... no confidence it will again.
If we did it for the first few weeks of a season, then that's big for us. Would have helped this year.
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Unfortunately I cant agree with that statement
We are a thousand miles off the best sides talent wise. We have the potential for some of our young guys to became truly elite but this isn't happening overnight.
Watching the GF and looking at just how good Brisbane were, it makes you realise (sadly) just how far off we are.
I don't think we go deep into a finals series until 2028 at the earliest unless some miracle happens such as 1) we get a coach that transforms our players and our playing style (e.g. Collingwood with McRae) & we 2) we don't miss with any players we pick up in the draft
The next 5 years is the most critical for this club.
A lot of that is coaching, I mean we couldve/shouldve beaten Brisbane at least once this year.
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When we play our fast flowing footy, we look as good as the best. Our problem is, we don't play it for long enough, or often enough. That will come with experience and fitness. We are there and thereabouts, and despite Nicks' shortcomings, I think we will be improved next year.
Rabish Binney
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Yep, don't doubt that we should improve....there are no excuses. Missing finals in 2025 should not happen and should not be allowed to happen.
But the thread says 'deep in finals'. Cant see it happening until 2027 at the earliest...but I'll be happy if that turns out to be wrong.
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