Its time to go Trigg!!!!

[JP Sauce]

I always thought Trigg was destined to work in the AFL and only be our CEO for a few years.

He got comfortable in the job and took it for granted.

Regardless of the outcome next week.

He's a tad old for the job now I think.

 

[Team DJ]

Honestly you could count on 1 hand the amount of good things Trigg has done for this club. And even on that one hand, youd struggle to use all of the fingers. It would be put to better use if you sat on it, much like the great CEO.

You'd need two hands and Feet plus a few of your mates as well to count the shit things he has done.

 

[Geoffa32]

A great CEO ?

I respect the hell out of you as a poster, but honestly i cannot fathom how anyone looking objectively at the last five years or so could mount an argument that he's been a great CEO.

We've built a 21 million dollar white elephant in a redundant location that was on the nose long before the decision was made to build it.

We still have no viable source of off field revenue despite it being blatantly obvious for more than a decade that rival clubs were heading down that path

Creating a shed membership where only the top tier level members had access to post match functions which contravened the inclusive mantra of the club

Apathetically sitting on his hands watching our on-field revenue shrink to the point of where the club suffered its first financial loss. Ironically it took our rivals to finally bring the issue to a head.

Failure to address shrinking crowd numbers, City based football should have been something that the Crows should have been pushing the agenda of years ago. Yet once again just like with our stadium deal we're shown up as an apathetic follower.

When you now throw in the Rendell saga and now Tippett its now clear that Trigg is clearly out of his depth as.a long term CEO.

The main role of a CEO is to provide a stable off field environment for footy club to be successfull on the field. You can not deny Trigg has done that. As CEO we have had three periods where we got within one game of playing in a Grand Final. This to me is why he is a great CEO the administration (untill recently) has always been stable under his tenure and our coaches have always had what they want to get our guys to perform at the highest level.

Now to address some things.
Is the Shed really a white elephant? How different will we be to most other AFL clubs that train at a different venue to where they play. It is no different to Collingwood's Westpac Centre. Being a state of the art facility that greatly assists in preparing our players to play AFL football. Given the amount of things we can do inhouse, it also saves money on having to hire out other facilities ie SASI for specialised training sessions.

It is also a reliable source of income for the club. Being one of the biggest "rooms" in SA for conventions/functions, it is used regularly and is a nice earner for the club.

How do most Vic clubs generate their revenues? Pokies and owning pubs. Not to mention better stadium deals. None of those club have an agreement with their licence owner that says they can not hold a gambling and liqour licence. Not even Port have that with the SANFL, we do. The SANFL hold the liquor/gaming licence for all of Footy Park, our Shed included. The best thing for our club will be independence from the SANFL, the constraints our licence agreement have built into it will be gone and we can grow our business. This will happen.

Shrinking crowd numbers, does Trigg set the draw/ifxture? The last few years we have had the best night time crowds in the league for games not involving two Vic clubs. But we dont get enough of them. There is plenty of peripheral stuff around the games to get the kiddies involved ie and thus parents can come, rock climbing wall, giveaways etc. What more can he do. We were winning games last year and people still did not rock up. Trigg can not go round to all our member's houses in his Hybrid Camry and pick everyone up. Yes this is an issue, but when we have crap timeslots and live against the gate on FTA and Foxtel, what can he do to get people out of the loungerooms/pubs and at games?

The city venue. Well there is now some skepticism as to how much the two clubs will really benefit. Trigg was one who did not really want the move, and this is possibly because he could see that the formation of the SMA to run the Adelaide Oval is no different to the set up we have now. The closer we get to the move, the more evident this could well be the case, with the breakeven on match day not really being much different to that of Football Park. The hope that the change in venue and newer stadium will bring more to the game. This may happen, it may not. Afterall there are plenty of vic clubs that play to sub 25k crowds at city venues, Brisbane and Sydney do as well. For those of us that go every weekend it will be great to watch footy in a first world stadium and not a 70s relic that Footy Park is. However it appears the management of this new stadium will be left to those still stuck in the 70s.

And Port did not drive the move to AO, Mark Haysman had no idea. In this interview he is somewhat against it,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78596/default.aspx
whilst at the same time the SANFL/AFL/SACA were working on getting it done. Haysman and Trigg had no idea.


Having said all that I do believe that now after the Tippet, Randell, dodgy logo and away jumpers that it is time that Trigg has to go as CEO. As I said earlier he has held the job a long time and these four decisions to me are signs that we need someone fresh in the role. But over his tenure he has done a great job.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Honestly you could count on 1 hand the amount of good things Trigg has done for this club. And even on that one hand, youd struggle to use all of the fingers. It would be put to better use if you sat on it, much like the great CEO.

You'd need two hands and Feet plus a few of your mates as well to count the shit things he has done.

We'll see when the penalties are handed done whether all our pandering and arse kissing was worth it.

 

[craig crowing]

Just looking at your post Carl seeing Douglas lying on ground again made me think although stressful as it is watching him fall over or turn the ball over countless times in a game etc at crucial times how insignificant that stress is this to what supporters are having with this long drawn out Tippett -- Trigg saga is.

 

[boffo]

The main role of a CEO is to provide a stable off field environment for footy club to be successfull on the field. You can not deny Trigg has done that.

Having said all that I do believe that now after the Tippet, Rendell, dodgy logo and away jumpers that it is time that Trigg has to go as CEO. As I said earlier he has held the job a long time and these four decisions to me are signs that we need someone fresh in the role. But over his tenure he has done a great job.

Very fair analysis Geoffa, we all have our strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with you about the stability.....he has shown a steady hand. He has got rid of two coaches when that needed to be done, and was able to do it in a measured and reasonable manner.

His communication skills are excellent, as are his people-to-people relations.....just ask Jenny!

As well as those singular issues he's got wrong (such as Rendell, criticising the supporters, Tippett) my main disappointment has been an apparent lack of strength standing up to the AFL. I had assumed that was because he had his eye on being the next AFL CEO. He's never been willing to throw an elbow, to show them we won't be walked over.

As Carl says, we will see whether this attitude pays off when the AFL hands down the penalties..... I suspect it will.

I'm even more convinced of this since hearing 3AW commentary that the AFL is desperate to keep Trigg in the job. (The cynic could say 'of course they want him to stay, he hasn't caused them any trouble for ten years').

 

[Deathb4dishonour]

Sign him for life! hes doing an outstanding job,

 

[Thylacinus]

Sign him for life! hes doing an outstanding job,

Sadly, perhaps he been signed for his near remaining working life by the local boys and wider AFL club.

He has to go. We will see what Adelaide and the board are made of....whether they want to be a club that has respect or one that will pander to their own self interest and mateships. Time will tell. No amount of spin from the AFL or Adelaide will do the job. Time to come clean.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Not to mention labelling the supporter base pathetic when he was unable to act swiftly enough to a coach taking us nowhere.

Despite that entire rap sheet, having a modicum of vision on the above issue would have hugely elevated him in many supporters' eyes. (Especially ones that see "far.")

There's rap sheets and there's rap sheets.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The main role of a CEO is to provide a stable off field environment for footy club to be successfull on the field. You can not deny Trigg has done that..

The club hasn't made a Grand Final during his entire tenure. Only Richmond, Fremantle and the Western Bulldogs have longer Grand Final droughts than us.

As CEO we have had three periods where we got within one game of playing in a Grand Final. This to me is why he is a great CEO.

 

[relapse]

The main role of a CEO is to provide a stable off field environment for footy club to be successfull on the field. You can not deny Trigg has done that. As CEO we have had three periods where we got within one game of playing in a Grand Final. This to me is why he is a great CEO the administration (untill recently) has always been stable under his tenure and our coaches have always had what they want to get our guys to perform at the highest level.

I dont disagree with this and this is why I have said that Trigg makes a good transitional CEO. He is the perfect CEO to have when you want someone to come in and run things on neutral for a couple of years, but this type of leadership however, is not ideal for a long term incumbant. Trigg should have only been in that role for about 4 years maximum. Sanders handed him the keys to what was financially, at the time, close to the biggest club in the AFL, years of apathetic leadership from a CEO without much of a business acumen has left the club in a far worse state financially in comparison to the rest of the competition than when he took on the job 10 years ago.

Now to address some things.
Is the Shed really a white elephant? How different will we be to most other AFL clubs that train at a different venue to where they play. It is no different to Collingwood's Westpac Centre. Being a state of the art facility that greatly assists in preparing our players to play AFL football. Given the amount of things we can do inhouse, it also saves money on having to hire out other facilities ie SASI for specialised training sessions.

It is also a reliable source of income for the club. Being one of the biggest "rooms" in SA for conventions/functions, it is used regularly and is a nice earner for the club.

The Westpac Centre was touted as the pancea for our lack of off-field revenue. Rumours seem to suggest that the tour idea has been a flop as has the revenue stream from this venue as it has supposedly not delivered close to what was anticpated. I also dont believe it is a co-incidence that some of our leanest years financially seem to correspond with our investment into this facility which suggests a lack of financial return.

Factor in the loss of revenue from 2014 and the redundancy of the location and in my opinion things are only about to get worse. Whether the Crows were pushed into investing there by the SANFL or not, it is still shaping up to be a very poor business decision by the club.

How do most Vic clubs generate their revenues? Pokies and owning pubs. Not to mention better stadium deals. None of those club have an agreement with their licence owner that says they can not hold a gambling and liqour licence. Not even Port have that with the SANFL, we do. The SANFL hold the liquor/gaming licence for all of Footy Park, our Shed included. The best thing for our club will be independence from the SANFL, the constraints our licence agreement have built into it will be gone and we can grow our business. This will happen.

Our lack of off-field revenue haa been an issue for well over a decade, sitting there apathetically watching your on-field revenue stream dry up is not the answer. The club should have been pushing for a solution to this for well over a decade, but hasn't. Any person with a hint of business acumen would have identified the flaws in our business model and would have attempted to make changes especially if they had a tenure as long as Trigg has had. Trigg has just sat in the chair for a decade ignoring the elephant in the room and has been apathetically watching the on-field profits dry up and just hoping for the best. It wasn't until Port pressed the issue that the club seemed to follow suit in trying to press for a better deal, if that didnt happen I would hate to think how long (if ever) before the club would have actually tried to seek a better deal.

Shrinking crowd numbers, does Trigg set the draw/ifxture? The last few years we have had the best night time crowds in the league for games not involving two Vic clubs. But we dont get enough of them. There is plenty of peripheral stuff around the games to get the kiddies involved ie and thus parents can come, rock climbing wall, giveaways etc. What more can he do. We were winning games last year and people still did not rock up. Trigg can not go round to all our member's houses in his Hybrid Camry and pick everyone up. Yes this is an issue, but when we have crap timeslots and live against the gate on FTA and Foxtel, what can he do to get people out of the loungerooms/pubs and at games?

This is where you need a dynamic and innovative CEO to address issues like this. Anyone could sit there and blame the draw/timeslots etc but the mark of a really great CEO is how you actually solve/address those issues. You only have to look at how guys like Guy Russo transformed Kmart to see that a dynamic, innovative CEO with a fresh pair of eyes can actually turn around a struggling organisation or for a football equivallent look at how much Brian Cook has done for Geelong. Great CEO's solve issues while others who are out of their depth just blame market conditions and claim that it is out of their control.

The city venue. Well there is now some skepticism as to how much the two clubs will really benefit. Trigg was one who did not really want the move, and this is possibly because he could see that the formation of the SMA to run the Adelaide Oval is no different to the set up we have now. The closer we get to the move, the more evident this could well be the case, with the breakeven on match day not really being much different to that of Football Park. The hope that the change in venue and newer stadium will bring more to the game. This may happen, it may not. Afterall there are plenty of vic clubs that play to sub 25k crowds at city venues, Brisbane and Sydney do as well. For those of us that go every weekend it will be great to watch footy in a first world stadium and not a 70s relic that Footy Park is. However it appears the management of this new stadium will be left to those still stuck in the 70s.

And Port did not drive the move to AO, Mark Haysman had no idea. In this interview he is somewhat against it,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78596/default.aspx
whilst at the same time the SANFL/AFL/SACA were working on getting it done. Haysman and Trigg had no idea.


Having said all that I do believe that now after the Tippet, Randell, dodgy logo and away jumpers that it is time that Trigg has to go as CEO. As I said earlier he has held the job a long time and these four decisions to me are signs that we need someone fresh in the role. But over his tenure he has done a great job.

I didnt mean to imply that Poort had pressed the AO redevelopment as they didnt, but pushing towards a new city based stadium should have been on the Crows agenda for years. I have been vocal on here for at least 6-8 years pushing for a city based stadium and pushing for the Crows to try and grow the pie, but for whatever reason the club has sat on there hands rather than being proactive about moving football forward. Had we pushed the issue long ago it might have been more beneficial for us in the long term (the SANFL were originally offered the hospital land back in 2004, but knocked it back) we might have had an SANFL stadium in the CBD, but rather the club just went along with pumping money in for the northern stand etc and now we're now stuck to comply and settle for a compromised deal.

This again comes down to the apathy of Trigg as I believe that as a CEO he is creatively berefit and lacks business acumen and that perhaps a more dynamic and innovate CEO would have been a far better option to have run our club over the last 6 years or so.

 

[Elite Crow]

He also signed off on that hideous guernsey and ugly bird

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

its really difficult to make a defence for Triggy to why he should keep his job

1. The Board has said that they had no visibility of the side Tippett deal
2. With point 1 in mind this would mean that Triggy had mislead the Board, not to mention sponsors, members and supporters
3. Misleading a board is the biggest crime for a CEO and in all other industry sectors this crime most certainly leads to automatic dismissal
4. The cost impact of this saga will hurt the clubs bottom line, its not just the fine, its the cost of QC Lawyers to defend our case to the AFL and to potentially fight a case against Tippett's lawyers who will most definitely sue the club if Kurt is deregistered
5. There will also be a cost impact to recover the damage done to our brand and potential loss of sponsors which we have already engaged PR consultants
6. There is the on-field impact of getting nothing in a trade for Kurt and the potential loss of draft picks

Lets not forget that Triggy is the first CEO to have been charged by the AFL, all previous charges arising from similar breaches charges were laid against the clubs, not officials

 

[Cap]

As I mentioned in the other thread.

After hearing all the updates and seeing Kurts reaction to all this, I have a feeling we are going to be found guilty of poor wording and not a deliberate manipulation.

quite simply, if the Crows had deliberately done anything, Tippet wouldn't be hiring a QC, the QC is there to argue on a point which they will be taking from a weak position, by the sounds of it a poorly worded email from Reid.

We'll cop shit for it, but nothing to the level of Carlton.

 

[TheTonic]

The only thing that really matters to me is whether he can still do the job after the wash up of all this. It is simply a question of is his position tenable?

I only prey that the club is still focusing on the job at hand for next season from players, administrators and coaching staff.

I think the management of the club over time has been good, and would be happy for it to continue at a similar level... but there are a lot of questions if that will be possible after all of this. All I expect is Chapman to make the hard decision (one way or the other) when it needs to be made... my gut says 70%... Trigg is probably going to have to step aside.

 

[Team DJ]

The only thing that really matters to me is whether he can still do the job after the wash up of all this. It is simply a question of is his position tenable?

I only prey that the club is still focusing on the job at hand for next season from players, administrators and coaching staff.

I think the management of the club over time has been good, and would be happy for it to continue at a similar level... but there are a lot of questions if that will be possible after all of this. All I expect is Chapman to make the hard decision (one way or the other) when it needs to be made... my gut says 70%... Trigg is probably going to have to step aside.

Are we happy with good though?

Good to me is finishing 6th.
Its a good result but thats all.

We want to be the best.

Trigg going will only be a few years too late. Much like Neil Craig. We shouldve realised after failures in 05 and 06 we were only ever gonna be good with Craig never great. This is the same.

 

[jenny61_99]

Lets not forget that Triggy is the first CEO to have been charged by the AFL, all previous charges arising from similar breaches charges were laid against the clubs, not officials

Yes but that is because they very nearly destroyed two Clubs after they sanctioned them too harshly for breaches of the rules.

 

[Geoffa32]

I dont disagree with this and this is why I have said that Trigg makes a good transitional CEO. He is the perfect CEO to have when you want someone to come in and run things on neutral for a couple of years, but this type of leadership however, is not ideal for a long term incumbant. Trigg should have only been in that role for about 4 years maximum. Sanders handed him the keys to what was financially, at the time, close to the biggest club in the AFL, years of apathetic leadership from a CEO without much of a business acumen has left the club in a far worse state financially in comparison to the rest of the competition than when he took on the job 10 years ago.




The Westpac Centre was touted as the pancea for our lack of off-field revenue. Rumours seem to suggest that the tour idea has been a flop as has the revenue stream from this venue as it has supposedly not delivered close to what was anticpated. I also dont believe it is a co-incidence that some of our leanest years financially seem to correspond with our investment into this facility which suggests a lack of financial return.

Factor in the loss of revenue from 2014 and the redundancy of the location and in my opinion things are only about to get worse. Whether the Crows were pushed into investing there by the SANFL or not, it is still shaping up to be a very poor business decision by the club.



Our lack of off-field revenue haa been an issue for well over a decade, sitting there apathetically watching your on-field revenue stream dry up is not the answer. The club should have been pushing for a solution to this for well over a decade, but hasn't. Any person with a hint of business acumen would have identified the flaws in our business model and would have attempted to make changes especially if they had a tenure as long as Trigg has had. Trigg has just sat in the chair for a decade ignoring the elephant in the room and has been apathetically watching the on-field profits dry up and just hoping for the best. It wasn't until Port pressed the issue that the club seemed to follow suit in trying to press for a better deal, if that didnt happen I would hate to think how long (if ever) before the club would have actually tried to seek a better deal.




This is where you need a dynamic and innovative CEO to address issues like this. Anyone could sit there and blame the draw/timeslots etc but the mark of a really great CEO is how you actually solve/address those issues. You only have to look at how guys like Guy Russo transformed Kmart to see that a dynamic, innovative CEO with a fresh pair of eyes can actually turn around a struggling organisation or for a football equivallent look at how much Brian Cook has done for Geelong. Great CEO's solve issues while others who are out of their depth just blame market conditions and claim that it is out of their control.



I didnt mean to imply that Poort had pressed the AO redevelopment as they didnt, but pushing towards a new city based stadium should have been on the Crows agenda for years. I have been vocal on here for at least 6-8 years pushing for a city based stadium and pushing for the Crows to try and grow the pie, but for whatever reason the club has sat on there hands rather than being proactive about moving football forward. Had we pushed the issue long ago it might have been more beneficial for us in the long term (the SANFL were originally offered the hospital land back in 2004, but knocked it back) we might have had an SANFL stadium in the CBD, but rather the club just went along with pumping money in for the northern stand etc and now we're now stuck to comply and settle for a compromised deal.

This again comes down to the apathy of Trigg as I believe that as a CEO he is creatively berefit and lacks business acumen and that perhaps a more dynamic and innovate CEO would have been a far better option to have run our club over the last 6 years or so.

Not much I will disagree with.

In regards to how Cook turned Geelong around it is a vastly different scenario. Geelong are the best placed club in the AFL due to being Geelong. They have a peppercorn lease on a Stadium owned by a council where they have full control and have sold out most games in this era of success. They also play blockbuster games up the highway at the G to where the revenues are massive for them. Cook did do some great work there in identifying this and making their location in the Geelong community a strength. Not to mention their coaching ethos has been one of hard work and not so much about expensive trips to Arizona/Dubai for pointless (placebo effect for AFL) training camps. They have a camp down the road, and have been the best club in the past 6 years.

We dont have that ability, ie are hamstrung by the very way we were formed. To grow as a club it is time we moved from being the SANFL's representative in the AFL. Once that happens we will become financially stronger.

 

[Slippery Pete]

He also signed off on that hideous guernsey and ugly bird

True that.

If anyone involved with the Adelaide Footy Club is reading this, let me give you some free advice. If the club receives a punishment involving loss of draft picks, and no action is taken by the club to remove the culpable parties, the membership base will go into meltdown. And I mean meltdown. Some members will not rewew. Even long standing members. Those forms you sent us in the mail last week? Some of them won't be worth the paper they're written on.

The AFC should take the concerns of the membership base VERY seriously here.

 

[skoobydoo]

Lets not forget that Triggy is the first CEO to have been charged by the AFL, all previous charges arising from similar breaches charges were laid against the clubs, not officials

Yeah as someone has pointed out (not sure where I read it) the pinging of individuals by the AFL is seen as more effective that just stinging clubs.

 

[Cap]

True that.

If anyone involved with the Adelaide Footy Club is reading this, let me give you some free advice. If the club receives a punishment involving loss of draft picks, and no action is taken by the club to remove the culpable parties, the membership base will go into meltdown. And I mean meltdown. Some members will not rewew. Even long standing members. Those forms you sent us in the mail last week? Some of them won't be worth the paper they're written on.

The AFC should take the concerns of the membership base VERY seriously here.

problem is, they know it will all blow over

the AFC don't have to take the members seriously and they know it, they have treated us like cashcows for 20 years, why change their attitude now?

 

[Thylacinus]

Is the salary of the AFC CEO in the public domain? If so is someone able to post it here? Are there bonus etc attached to the salary package and have these been paid in the past?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Yeah as someone has pointed out (not sure where I read it) the pinging of individuals by the AFL is seen as more effective that just stinging clubs.

they pin the CEO's because it is their position that needs to be held Accountable

 

[Geoffa32]

If Trigg kept this information from the board his job is untenable.


I can't imagine a company retaining its CEO if the CEO devised a plan to evade tax that was against Tax law, got caught, company penalised and the company's board was not not told of the scheme.

 

[NTRabbit]

Trigg and Harper gone, absolutely no question about that needing to happen now.