Traded Izak Rankine traded to Adelaide with #46 & F4 (Freo) for #5, F3 & F4

[theyellowsash]

And on cue the stupidity of Victorian media bubbles away.
So Barrett sat there for 5 minutes saying he wasnt convinced that Rankine is going to be a superstar and even compared him to Stengle to say how he isn't that good. He then asks about what he is worth and says that Adelaide have pick 5 bu that's too lopsided Adelaide's way and they might need to get another first rounder for it.
What a ****.
They couldn't hide their biases if they tried.

yes, damn the victorian media and its queensland bias....

 

[Bearded Clam]

Who does Rachele and Rankine push out of the Adelaide B22? I notice you guys have quite a few small forwards.

Murphy
Rowe
Mchenry
Keays (moved in there in the last few games of this year)

All garbage… Just get them out of there ASAP PLEASE!.

 

[Runnin Blue]

What are the knocks on McHenry and Murphy?

The main one is that Adelaide BigFooty posters always need their whipping boys.

Other than that, McHenry is a courageous, gut-running little bloke that never stops trying to terrorise the opposition. I love that about him and what he brings to the team. His weakness is in kicking and handball skills and not hitting the scoreboard enough, although there was late improvement in that.

Murphy is pretty serviceable. Can take a mark, gets in good positions and can kick a goal. Again, another hard tryer, but probably not enough score involvements and prone to brain farts and bouts of hog-the-ball selfishness.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

The main one is that Adelaide BigFooty posters always need their whipping boys.

Other than that, McHenry is a courageous, gut-running little bloke that never stops trying to terrorise the opposition. I love that about him and what he brings to the team. His weakness is in kicking and handball skills and not hitting the scoreboard enough, although there was late improvement in that.

Murphy is pretty serviceable. Can take a mark, gets in good positions and can kick a goal. Again, another hard tryer, but probably not enough score involvements and prone to brain farts and bouts of hog-the-ball selfishness.

I don't mind McHenry myself, but I feel like Murphy is only a depth/fringe player at best, should only get a game if The Crows have lots of injuries.

 

[CharlieCrow]

What are the knocks on McHenry and Murphy?

I like both but neither have the full range of elite skills or that extra magic that would make me choose them in front of Rachelle or Rankine.

 

[radiojake]

One thing to keep in mind is that pick 5 wont be pick 5.

A north PP (I hope it wont be this early, but...), and Ashcroft would easily push it back to at least 7.

If we account for this then Dangerfield was pick #11

 

[Thetrader15]

yes, damn the victorian media and its queensland bias....

Let's see if it plays out that way when Taranto (pick 2) and Hopper (pick 7) want to head to Victoria.

On Hopper, who is still contracted, and noting Cats first rounder will likely be ~17-19:

“I think the Cats offer maybe a first-rounder for him and it’s done.

“Hopper’s 26 in February, he does have a year to run on that contract, but I think he’s the one the Cats are absolutely after.”

Sam Edmund’s mega trade update on Taranto, Jackson, Gunston, Rioli and more

“They are definitely interested.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Cleric]

Pick 5 becomes 6 at a minimum with Adelaide wanting a second back. If GC say no way its pick 5(6) or he goes into to the psd threat you can see Adelaide relenting. No way Adelaide don't get the deal done.

GC dont send him to the PSD.
He can nominate for the National Draft and there is no way WC is going to use pick 1 for Rankine, and he would absolutely get through to our pick 5. Adelaide won't go over pick 5 when they could get him with that.
No way GC let pick 5 go and give him to Adelaide for no return.
Pick 5 is fair.

 

[Cleric]

Given how little talent there is on their list, probably. If not, I'm sure the retirement of Josh Kennedy frees up a lot of cap room for West Coast. Point is, Adelaide can't just walk him to the PSD like Carlton did with Martin. Adelaide have no leverage here and will end up paying what Gold Coast ask for.

We can take him in the National Draft with Pick 5.

 

[Cleric]

Nobody will read the link because it doesn’t suit the stories that it’s $850k this week and $1.2m by October

Nobody will read the link because it's behind a pay wall....

 

[Cleric]

The Cameron trade is probably a good starting point for discussion.

Was 23, just kicked 29.25 in 24 games (17 GA's) in a losing GF side
Rankine is 22, just kicked 29.21 in 18 games (18 GA's) in a non finals side.

Rankine with a better season than Cameron in almost all aspects, more goals / game, more scoring shots / game, more GA's per game, so deserves more.

The Cameron trade went down to the last 15 mins of the trade period I suspect for 1 reason. Adelaide wanted a higher 1st rounder than 12 and Brisbane couldn't get them 1 so they settled on 12, probably a little unders for Cameron.

Rankine has had a better season (and probably has a higher ceiling than Cameron IMO) so deserves to be traded for more.

Pick 5 may be slight overs, but good luck trying to get the picks in between this and 10.

6 - whats the point?
7 - The Suns have it so that won't help
8 - Port - good luck getting them to help Adelaide out
9 - Saints is a possibility

For the argument over 1 or 2 picks, Adelaide will accept it and use Pick 5 in the trade regardless what any of their fans seem to think.

Cameron was in contract for two more years, while Rankine is out of contract. That effects the trade value big time.

 

[Cleric]

This is the 'we have s**t tonnes of talent on our list and even more in our academy' stage. You have more to lose.

Nah.
With all the free picks you were given to get that basket case of a club viable, if you isn't take pick 5 for Rankine and lost him in the PSD for nothing the whole AFL world would come down on your club for being irresponsible. That would look so bad the AFL would probably step in and make you take it. Don't get carried away here.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

What he did in his previous seasons means squat.

He's a 22-year-old small forward who polled coaches votes in 8 out of a possible 18 games this season. That's his value.

Nah.

 

[Soggy2112]

What he did in his previous seasons means squat.

He's a 22-year-old small forward who polled coaches votes in 8 out of a possible 18 games this season. That's his value.

It does mean something.

Firstly, he missed an entire season with injury, is now booked in for a shoulder reco, we’re buying that risk.

Secondly, he’s shown this year that he is capable of producing what he did at U18 level at AFL level. However, he is yet to do it consistently, especially compared to Walsh, Rozee, Smith, King, Butters who have had the same amount of time in the league. Again, that’s added risk that we’re buying.

It’s a risk I’m very happy we’re taking, as you need to be brave with these picks sometimes, and Rankine ticks the boxes IMO, but it does mean that he’s probably not worth the same pick as when he was drafted.

I agree we should be giving up pick 5. My dream would be to split it and give one to the Suns with 23, but that’s probably unders. 5 with something coming back our way, perhaps a couple of their picks in the 30s that we could hopefully use to take Michalanny if he’s not taken by pick 23 (assuming we’re into him), is what we should push for. Just straight 5 I would accept but not be happy about. Anything more and we’re paying overs.

 

[woopy doo]

Haven’t even signed him yet

 

[SSwans2011]

It does mean something.

Firstly, he missed an entire season with injury, is now booked in for a shoulder reco, we’re buying that risk.

Secondly, he’s shown this year that he is capable of producing what he did at U18 level at AFL level. However, he is yet to do it consistently, especially compared to Walsh, Rozee, Smith, King, Butters who have had the same amount of time in the league. Again, that’s added risk that we’re buying.

It’s a risk I’m very happy we’re taking, as you need to be brave with these picks sometimes, and Rankine ticks the boxes IMO, but it does mean that he’s probably not worth the same pick as when he was drafted.

I agree we should be giving up pick 5. My dream would be to split it and give one to the Suns with 23, but that’s probably unders. 5 with something coming back our way, perhaps a couple of their picks in the 30s that we could hopefully use to take Michalanny if he’s not taken by pick 23 (assuming we’re into him), is what we should push for. Just straight 5 I would accept but not be happy about. Anything more and we’re paying overs.

Personally, I just can't agree that his value has dropped. A small forward that is routinely spoken about in BOG convos is a genuine match-winner - a genuine finals winner, even. He had baggage when he was drafted, and he wasn't picked to have an instant impact. He was picked because he had an incredibly high ceiling, and we're starting to see that. The best example I can think of in terms of a similar player is the Hawks bringing Rioli back for a GF after he'd missed almost 2 months of footy, and him tearing it up. That's around where I think Rankine's ceiling is. I put more stock in that ceiling when a player is at Rankine's age than I do in their consistency to date. Rising Star winners will often not amount to much. Players that look set to become elite will often hit a wall after a few years, and their scope for improvement will decrease.

I don't think the comparisons to the young players that keep being mentioned are overly relevant, because Walsh, King, Rozee, and Smith would command comfortably more than pick 5 in a trade. I'd personally take Rankine over Butters if I could spend pick 5 on either of them. Butters has the consistency, but Rankine has the higher ceiling, and IMO a greater ability to win you big matches.

The problem for the Crows is that there is no guarantee that you will be playing finals in the next few years, though I think the list is headed in the right direction, and you seemingly have a good coach to get you there, and are doing the right thing by showing faith in him.

Pick 5 for Rankine would be an easy swap for any team that thinks they are a reasonable chance of winning a flag in the next few years. It's a more daunting prospect when there is other parts of the list to fix-up.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We can take him in the National Draft with Pick 5.

So you'd use the exact same pick, but spite Gold Coast by not giving it to them? That would be the most petty move I've ever seen in the AFL, and would poison any future negotiations between the two clubs.

 

[Soggy2112]

So you'd use the exact same pick, but spite Gold Coast by not giving it to them? That would be the most petty move I've ever seen in the AFL, and would poison any future negotiations between the two clubs.

I think the implication was more that GC demanding a second first rounder as some media outlets have suggested would be unreasonable.

 

[House of Sticks]

C

We can take him in the National Draft with Pick 5.

Can't go into the national draft as he is still on a list...

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Adelaide don't seem to think so given they're willing to pay him more than one of the greatest small forwards in history in Eddie betts.

You'd pay pick 5 for a player of betts calibre in a heartbeat. Hawthorn paid pick 7 for Cyril and I doubt they're looking back disappointed.

Cyril was pick 12.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

What he did in his previous seasons means squat.

He's a 22-year-old small forward who polled coaches votes in 8 out of a possible 18 games this season. That's his value.

So you think that his previous seasons at AFL level mean nothing.
But his original draft position is still relevant?

 

[My_Username]

So you think that his previous seasons at AFL level mean nothing.
But his original draft position is still relevant?

His future seasons are the only thing that is relevant, but of course, nobody has a crystal ball.

Very highly rated junior (draft position) and had a very good season (coaches votes, etc.) showing he is some way towards realising his potential, providing a glimpse of the future and suggesting that those seasons will be very good.

That Adelaide is offering him so much money is a fair indication that they think his future seasons will be pretty good too.

 

[bergholt]

Parish isn’t fit to carry Ben Cunnington’s bags.

Sure. And yet one is AA and one isn't, all I was going on was the objective facts.

 

[sworc36]

Haven’t even signed him yet

Not dis similar to when the whole of Geelong had the biggest homecoming for Danger when he was still playing for us and hadn’t made his mind up!

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think the implication was more that GC demanding a second first rounder as some media outlets have suggested would be unreasonable.

It's only unreasonable if Adelaide refuse to pay it. And there's still the small matter of making it past North, West Coast, Essendon and GWS.