Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Pakenhamsaint]

But push is becoming shove to resolve this mess

Not really.

Slowing the trains down in that section was one of the mitigation strategies

 

[Sttew]

While on the subject of Jacinta spin how about this one for incredible spin.

Jacinta will have us believe the government deliberately built the Deer Park station platform 10 metres short. Instead of being a 225 metre platform to accommodate nine-car VLine trains, the platform is 215 metres and these trains will now need to bypass the station. In denying a stuff up, yet again, this is what Jacinta said:

"This is a good example of how we have a sequence of investments and how each investment builds on the one before it.”

WTF? Who writes the spin for Jacinta? Clearly not the same person who wrote Dan's!. And what confidence can anyone have in this government not stuffing up SRL if it goes ahead?

Oh, and another thing. To rectify this stuff up will take months and cost millions!

Multi-million dollar mistake at Melbourne train station

The stuff-up is causing extra delays for commuters.

7news.com.au

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Short platforms are an easy fix.
The rest of the world manages when trains are longer than the platform.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Short platforms for big trains is like buying a jumper that's way too small.

 

[Sttew]

Short platforms are an easy fix.
The rest of the world manages when trains are longer than the platform.

You disagree its a costly stuff-up?

Why then has the government promised to extend the platform if its not an issue?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You disagree its a costly stuff-up?

Why then has the government promised to extend the platform if its not an issue?

The stuff up is not having a co-ordinated transport plan. There's too many organisations all trying to do different things all at once.

The crossing removal done by the LXRA, the 9 car trains by the Regional Rail Revival side of things.
Two separate projects all not talking to each other.

The easy fix is have the conductor at the rear doorway as they do now at Heathcote Junction.

If you want put technology in like we have on the Pakenham/Cranbourne line with the ASDO(Automatic selective door operation) beacons.

 

[Sttew]

The stuff up is not having a co-ordinated transport plan. There's too many organisations all trying to do different things all at once.

The crossing removal done by the LXRA, the 9 car trains by the Regional Rail Revival side of things.
Two separate projects all not talking to each other.

The easy fix is have the conductor at the rear doorway as they do now at Heathcote Junction.

If you want put technology in like we have on the Pakenham/Cranbourne line with the ASDO(Automatic selective door operation) beacons.

You sound like you work in the industry?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You sound like you work in the industry?

Friends and family do.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

https://www.audit.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-24/Metro%20tunnel%20pt%203/20240620_Metro-Tunnel-Phase-3-Systems-Integration-Testing-and-Commissioning-Appendix-D.pdf

For what it's worth here's the auditor Generals bit on the issues at Parkville.

 

[The Punter]

As infrastructure programs by this government are essentially designed in secret, it's little surprise this sort of thing is happening.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Short platforms are an easy fix.
The rest of the world manages when trains are longer than the platform.

Yeah they do. Wondabyne Station is on the Sydney-Newcastle line and it's actually shorter than a single train carriage!

Wondabyne railway station

Wondabyne railway station is a railway station on the Newcastle and Central Coast Line in the NSW TrainLink Intercity network. The station is noted for its remoteness and having an extraordinarily short platform (like Zig Zag), which is less than a train carriage long. The station is a request...

nswtrains.fandom.com

 

[Gough]

I think Bulawayo Station has the longest platform in the world.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Yeah they do. Wondabyne Station is on the Sydney-Newcastle line and it's actually shorter than a single train carriage!

Wondabyne railway station

Wondabyne railway station is a railway station on the Newcastle and Central Coast Line in the NSW TrainLink Intercity network. The station is noted for its remoteness and having an extraordinarily short platform (like Zig Zag), which is less than a train carriage long. The station is a request...

nswtrains.fandom.com

There's quite a few in Sydney that can't take an 8V.

I suspect there will even be more platforms that won't be able to hande the new intercity trains given they will be 10 cars on some services



On the metro tunnel it appears everyone has gone off half cocked about the time it will take between Arden and Parkville.

 

[Satan]

A group of machete-wielding teens have prompted a large police operation near a prestigious bayside school— just hours after two knife attacks in the city’s west.
Multiple triple-0 calls have been made following reports of three teenage boys attacking another boy with “12 inch” long machetes on Church St in Brighton.

It is understood the boy was forced to defend himself with a shop sign.

Bec will be impressed

 

[MarcMaverick]

Time to scrap the SRL. Its too expensive . Not that Junta Jacinta will listen.

 

[Sttew]

Time to scrap the SRL. Its too expensive . Not that Junta Jacinta will listen.

Writing is well and truly on the wall

 

[Satan]

A national funding deal will toughen the rules on road and rail spending worth $125 billion after the federal government said Victoria would have to prove the economic case for its controversial Suburban Rail Loop.

The new terms will put more onus on the states to prove the business case for mammoth construction, while the federal government also wants them to fund an equal share of regional road spending to create more incentives to keep costs down.

Hows the business case for the comm games going?

 

[Satan]

Labor MPs want payroll tax exemption for private schools in their electorates

Within weeks of voting to impose payroll tax on Victoria’s elite private schools, some MPs privately lobbied the treasurer to give some schools special treatment.

www.theage.com.au

labor mps voted for payroll taxes on non public schools but then wanted private schools in their electorate exempt


A growing list of Labor MPs privately lobbied for elite schools in their electorates to be exempt from a payroll tax, despite voting for it in state parliament.

Newly released letters show Employment Minister Vicki Ward and Box Hill MP Paul Hamer wrote last year to Treasurer Tim Pallas seeking exemptions for some of the state’s top private schools – including Presbyterian Ladies’ College (PLC) – over concerns the new tax rules could drive up school fees.

Ward sought an exemption for two schools in her seat, Eltham College and Catholic Ladies College, where she was a student and graduated in 1986.

 

[Saint]

You disagree its a costly stuff-up?

Why then has the government promised to extend the platform if its not an issue?

There's lots of reasons why this might have happened in a planned way.

There might have been something preventing building the full platform length (like a power pole or sewer pit which would be expensive to move or land acquisition of the property next door)- and at the time they were building, it was only future-proofing. So why spend a million now for something which might not be needed for 10 years? Better to come back and do it when it's needed in some instances.

Can also very much see how some numbnuts in the structures team looked at a plan and didn't think it would be a problem shortening a platform without consulting the technical requirements or operations teams.

 

[The Punter]

The reason to do it now for a million is in ten years it will cost more. Not necessarily a good reason, but a reason all the same.

 

[Sttew]

There's lots of reasons why this might have happened in a planned way.

There might have been something preventing building the full platform length (like a power pole or sewer pit which would be expensive to move or land acquisition of the property next door)- and at the time they were building, it was only future-proofing. So why spend a million now for something which might not be needed for 10 years? Better to come back and do it when it's needed in some instances.

Can also very much see how some numbnuts in the structures team looked at a plan and didn't think it would be a problem shortening a platform without consulting the technical requirements or operations teams.

Yes. But it seems to come back to the old chestnut that this government repeatedly ignores - due diligence.

It was not done in a planned way. That's just spin by a Premier out of her depth. And if by some remote chance it was done deliberately, then this government is more financially negligent than I thought. Needlessly wasting millions of dollars by delaying building the full length platform. It's not like Lego blocks where you just add on the extra 10-15 metres of platform.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

There's lots of reasons why this might have happened in a planned way.

There might have been something preventing building the full platform length (like a power pole or sewer pit which would be expensive to move or land acquisition of the property next door)- and at the time they were building, it was only future-proofing. So why spend a million now for something which might not be needed for 10 years? Better to come back and do it when it's needed in some instances.

The most likely reason is the future operational requirements weren't communicated in time to the client-side delivery team for the station. As Pakenhamsaint said, not really surprising given they're being delivered different teams reporting to different parts of the state.

Can also very much see how some numbnuts in the structures team looked at a plan and didn't think it would be a problem shortening a platform without consulting the technical requirements or operations teams.

Not really plausible given the hold points you have to release on these sort of projects.

 

[Saint]

The most likely reason is the future operational requirements weren't communicated in time to the client-side delivery team for the station. As Pakenhamsaint said, not really surprising given they're being delivered different teams reporting to different parts of the state.


Not really plausible given the hold points you have to release on these sort of projects.

If they built it 60m+ longer than they needed, but just 10m shy of future proofing. It suggests to me they knew what they were aiming for.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

If they built it 60m+ longer than they needed, but just 10m shy of future proofing. It suggests to me they knew what they were aiming for.

Designs evolve, highly possible that 215m was the future proofed option at the time then it became 225m but nobody updated the design of the other project.

 

[eddiesmith]

So the government has raised the fire services levy this year by $186 million, but cut the budget to the CFA.

So if they’re raising the levy but cutting the budget, what are they spending the money on? The whole point of the levy is to pay for the fire services, not fund Jacinta’s election campaign.