Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Saint]

I think sometimes people forget that just having them behind bars is preventing them from committing crimes in the community.

This kid clearly can't be controlled by parents, wouldn't be going to school and has a terrible friendship group.

The aggregated statistics tell you that prison isn't great for people, but in some cases it is. Juvie is probably the best chance this kid has of attending school and getting the most basic of education.

But I fear this will just be a person who it's better for all of society is behind bars as much as possible, because no matter what you do with them, if they're out, they'll be committing crimes.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

again they are children

courts and criminal charges isn't helping them or anyone else other than the prison system

How does it help the prison system with severe staff shortages?

There are 11 state run prisons and 3 privately run ones just in case you were going to run with that line.

 

[Saint]

again they are children

courts and criminal charges isn't helping them or anyone else other than the prison system

How do we prevent them killing people in society then? Some of them just need to be restrained. Clearly bail or suspended sentencing isn't doing the job.

What do you propose for this "child" who has put two people in wheelchairs and assaulted many more?

Even if he kills somebody, we just shrug our shoulders because he's only 13? Pretend there's no possible way to have prevented that death?

 

[Gralin]

How do we prevent them killing people in society then? Some of them just need to be restrained. Clearly bail or suspended sentencing isn't doing the job.

What do you propose for this "child" who has put two people in wheelchairs and assaulted many more?

Even if he kills somebody, we just shrug our shoulders because he's only 13? Pretend there's no possible way to have prevented that death?

Mate I am not interested in filling this thread up start a new thread to push locking up kids if you want to

 

[Todman]

How do we prevent them killing people in society then? Some of them just need to be restrained. Clearly bail or suspended sentencing isn't doing the job.

What do you propose for this "child" who has put two people in wheelchairs and assaulted many more?

Even if he kills somebody, we just shrug our shoulders because he's only 13? Pretend there's no possible way to have prevented that death?

More importantly, if we raised the age, it will give a licence for 13 year olds to rape with impunity.

 

[Sttew]

This is how dire Victoria’s state debt is. No.523

“Victoria is at risk of a record low credit rating if it pushes ahead with the Suburban Rail Loop, a move which would damage the state’s finances and hit taxpayers with an even greater debt bill.

The shock warning of the $34.5bn project has been made by global ratings giant Standard & Poors who say Victoria’s credit rating could be slashed if the Allan government pressed on with the SRL without funding from the federal government.

They have also said they didn’t believe the Allan government would be able to deliver the 26km rail project within budget given the government’s history of cost blow outs on major projects.”

RATINGS AGENCY ISSUES RAIL LOOP COST WARNING - Herald Sun

 

[Skeppersap]

Regarding the discussion on criminal responsibility for children, if we are not going to see children held responsible for their own actions, then I would like to see parents or legal guardians held responsible through community service orders for the crimes of their children. And if community service is not undertaken, jail for parents and juvi for kids.

 

[peetoo]

This is how dire Victoria’s state debt is. No.523

“Victoria is at risk of a record low credit rating if it pushes ahead with the Suburban Rail Loop, a move which would damage the state’s finances and hit taxpayers with an even greater debt bill.

The shock warning of the $34.5bn project has been made by global ratings giant Standard & Poors who say Victoria’s credit rating could be slashed if the Allan government pressed on with the SRL without funding from the federal government.

They have also said they didn’t believe the Allan government would be able to deliver the 26km rail project within budget given the government’s history of cost blow outs on major projects.”

RATINGS AGENCY ISSUES RAIL LOOP COST WARNING - Herald Sun

Telle ‘‘em to ****off. Project has 30 years to run maybe 50. Not a finance body’s job to pick and choose winners, just comment on finances

 

[Satan]

A leaked government report on the new $14 billion Metro Tunnel rail line under central Melbourne reveals delays, potential compensation claims, unresolved issues with cancer treatment equipment in an inner suburb, and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut costs.

The report – written last month for the state government’s infrastructure development committee, which includes several senior MPs – says that while the Cross Yarra Partnership is contracted to finish the project on April 29 next year, “late 2025 is more likely”.

Shocked I tell you

 

[Crankyhawk]

Regarding the discussion on criminal responsibility for children, if we are not going to see children held responsible for their own actions, then I would like to see parents or legal guardians held responsible through community service orders for the crimes of their children. And if community service is not undertaken, jail for parents and juvi for kids.

and those who are in DHS care (nominal care, as in run away all the time) are you going to hold those paid carers responsible? Good luck filing shifts then

 

[Rob R]

A leaked government report on the new $14 billion Metro Tunnel rail line under central Melbourne reveals delays, potential compensation claims, unresolved issues with cancer treatment equipment in an inner suburb, and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut costs.

The report – written last month for the state government’s infrastructure development committee, which includes several senior MPs – says that while the Cross Yarra Partnership is contracted to finish the project on April 29 next year, “late 2025 is more likely”.

Shocked I tell you

What do we expect when we keep going to the same (but renamed as a new consortium) foreign contractors who fail to deliver over and over again just because they give great junkets overseas for pollies.

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[Sttew]

Telle ‘‘em to ****off. Project has 30 years to run maybe 50. Not a finance body’s job to pick and choose winners, just comment on finances

Who said it was? But it is their job to rate Victoria’s debt management, isn’t it?

Do you think Tim Pallas will release details of the credit rating by Fitch, the third agency he commissioned? Obviously the report finding is as bad as S&P and Moody’s and Tim doesn’t want us to know. I hear he has now turned to North Korea’s domestic agency to provide a report on Victoria.

Nothing said by the credit agencies was factually incorrect.

The ball is in the government’s court...

 

[peetoo]

Who said it was? But it is their job to rate Victoria’s debt management, isn’t it?

Do you think Tim Pallas will release details of the credit rating by Fitch, the third agency he commissioned? Obviously the report finding is as bad as S&P and Moody’s and Tim doesn’t want us to know. I hear he has now turned to North Korea’s domestic agency to provide a report on Victoria.

Nothing said by the credit agencies was factually incorrect.

The ball is in the government’s court...

Sorry I’m no longer following you in your line in fantasy land

 

[Sttew]

Sorry I’m no longer following you in your line in fantasy land

Let me explain in language you might understand.

1. You said it's not a credit agency's job to pick and choose winners, just comment on finances.
2. S&P and Moody's have both stated Victoria's debt is in a very bad state and our credit rating on the verge of being downgraded.
3. SRL is an unfunded major project with no business case and a projected cost considered to be unachievable.
4. If the government continues with SRL, the agencies say Victoria's credit rating will almost certainly be downgraded.
5. If that happens the cost of borrowing will rise, and the government will have no option than to cut services further and/or increase taxes.

Understand?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Telle ‘‘em to ****off. Project has 30 years to run maybe 50. Not a finance body’s job to pick and choose winners, just comment on finances

Ummmmm... Actually, that is exactly their job... To assess and quantify risk...

It's literally what they do...

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

A leaked government report on the new $14 billion Metro Tunnel rail line under central Melbourne reveals delays, potential compensation claims, unresolved issues with cancer treatment equipment in an inner suburb, and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut costs.

The report – written last month for the state government’s infrastructure development committee, which includes several senior MPs – says that while the Cross Yarra Partnership is contracted to finish the project on April 29 next year, “late 2025 is more likely”.

Shocked I tell you

Project finishing in 2025 finishes in 2025.

No different to the Auditor Generals report

 

[Saint]

A leaked government report on the new $14 billion Metro Tunnel rail line under central Melbourne reveals delays, potential compensation claims, unresolved issues with cancer treatment equipment in an inner suburb, and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut costs.

The report – written last month for the state government’s infrastructure development committee, which includes several senior MPs – says that while the Cross Yarra Partnership is contracted to finish the project on April 29 next year, “late 2025 is more likely”.

Shocked I tell you

So it's moved back 3 months?

None of the first para is a secret or non-normal business. Dumping parts to reduce costs and compensation claims are parts of all big projects. It would be more strange if none of that was happening.

Governments have allowed the civil construction sector to become too concentrated. Mostly by pushing all the risk onto contractors and a lot of the big ones sold their civil construction arms when they became unprofitable and tied up finance which could be used in less risky and more lucrative markets.

Don't forget that these big contractors are hit by interest rates too, as they're carrying a lot of assets on their books and are usually in the red a long way for the bulk of the project lifetime.

 

[Satan]

Trains in Melbourne’s Metro Tunnel will have to run slower near the new Parkville station, a leaked government report shows, under a plan to limit interference with sensitive cancer and medical scanning equipment.

Flaws in the $14 billion project were exposed after a report to the state government’s Infrastructure Development Committee was leaked to The Age, revealing construction delays, potential compensation claims and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut ballooning costs.

Trains running through the Metro Tunnel cause electromagnetic interference with medical equipment, an issue that planners began warning politicians in 2015 would need to be managed particularly with an eye to sensitive magnetic resonance imaging machines.

MRI machines use magnetic fields and radio waves to take detailed pictures of patients.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Trains in Melbourne’s Metro Tunnel will have to run slower near the new Parkville station, a leaked government report shows, under a plan to limit interference with sensitive cancer and medical scanning equipment.

Flaws in the $14 billion project were exposed after a report to the state government’s Infrastructure Development Committee was leaked to The Age, revealing construction delays, potential compensation claims and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut ballooning costs.

Trains running through the Metro Tunnel cause electromagnetic interference with medical equipment, an issue that planners began warning politicians in 2015 would need to be managed particularly with an eye to sensitive magnetic resonance imaging machines.

MRI machines use magnetic fields and radio waves to take detailed pictures of patients.

The Age for some reason is releasing information that has been known for years as some kind of exclusive.


None of the issues surrounding the hospital and none of the soloutions are exactly new news.

It's all rather convenient given the Sydney Metro opened the extension through the city.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Trains in Melbourne’s Metro Tunnel will have to run slower near the new Parkville station, a leaked government report shows, under a plan to limit interference with sensitive cancer and medical scanning equipment.

Flaws in the $14 billion project were exposed after a report to the state government’s Infrastructure Development Committee was leaked to The Age, revealing construction delays, potential compensation claims and plans to dump elements of the mega-project to cut ballooning costs.

Trains running through the Metro Tunnel cause electromagnetic interference with medical equipment, an issue that planners began warning politicians in 2015 would need to be managed particularly with an eye to sensitive magnetic resonance imaging machines.

MRI machines use magnetic fields and radio waves to take detailed pictures of patients.

It's interesting stuff, EMF's, faraday cages, shielding... I wonder how much research they did?

MRI Shielding and RF Shield Enclosure Design Considerations

A slight external interference can have a huge impact on the MRI's ability to produce quality, diagnostically acceptable images. Factoring in RF shielding and magnetic shielding can maximize the value you are able to obtain from your device.

prizmedimaging.com

 

[swingdog]

It's interesting stuff, EMF's, faraday cages, shielding... I wonder how much research they did?

MRI Shielding and RF Shield Enclosure Design Considerations

A slight external interference can have a huge impact on the MRI's ability to produce quality, diagnostically acceptable images. Factoring in RF shielding and magnetic shielding can maximize the value you are able to obtain from your device.

prizmedimaging.com

It must be a common issue in any city where the subway is reasonably shallow (e.g. New York, Paris, not sure which tube lines in London run near the big hospitals).

 

[Sttew]

The Age for some reason is releasing information that has been known for years as some kind of exclusive.


None of the issues surrounding the hospital and none of the soloutions are exactly new news.

It's all rather convenient given the Sydney Metro opened the extension through the city.

Interesting. Jacinta’s spin yesterday was that the government only found out in 2023

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Interesting. Jacinta’s spin yesterday was that the government only found out in 2023

They knew it would be a potential problem in 2016
2023 is when they knew how much of a problem it is. 2023 was the start of test running.

This isn't the first time the media has reported it.

https://heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/medical-experts-plead-with-government-for-metro-tunnel-overhaul/news-story/aac31d6e95e26b8b591859cdf14b376e

Here's a HUN article from 6 years ago.

Quite literally none of the issue around Parkville are new news. None

 

[Saint]

I think they were hoping there would not be as much interference as modelled, but testing has shown that it's perhaps more than they either thought or hoped.

In time, they will be able to manage it. Probably just running slow now while they work out an appropriate fix to the actual level of interference, which is better than guessing 6 years ago based on estimates.

 

[Satan]

They knew it would be a potential problem in 2016
2023 is when they knew how much of a problem it is. 2023 was the start of test running.

This isn't the first time the media has reported it.

https://heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/medical-experts-plead-with-government-for-metro-tunnel-overhaul/news-story/aac31d6e95e26b8b591859cdf14b376e

Here's a HUN article from 6 years ago.

Quite literally none of the issue around Parkville are new news. None

But push is becoming shove to resolve this mess