Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Saint]

If there's one thing I could ask of Jacincta it's that Geelong needs an actual high speed rail connection to the city.
It's taking drivers minimum 90 minutes to drive into Melbourne cbd.

Making living here very hard.

Why should everyone in Victoria be subsidising people who have moved to Geelong but work in Melbourne?

If you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne CBD, why wouldn't you be catching the train? And if driving is too far but train is out of the question, why do you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne?

The Government can't be solving all of these problems for people who have other options other than very expensive infrastructure.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Why should everyone in Victoria be subsidising people who have moved to Geelong but work in Melbourne?

If you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne CBD, why wouldn't you be catching the train? And if driving is too far but train is out of the question, why do you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne?

The Government can't be solving all of these problems for people who have other options other than very expensive infrastructure.

People in Geelong and the western suburbs would correctly point out they're paying for suburban rail loop in the east. Let's not play "what's in it for me" with government spending.

 

[Gralin]

Why should everyone in Victoria be subsidising people who have moved to Geelong but work in Melbourne?

If you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne CBD, why wouldn't you be catching the train? And if driving is too far but train is out of the question, why do you live in Geelong and work in Melbourne?

The Government can't be solving all of these problems for people who have other options other than very expensive infrastructure.

If you want satellite cities you need the transport between them to be good.

 

[Gralin]

This shit.

 

[Xtreme]

I'd love to know how Jacinta is going to pay back all of Dan's spending money on empty promises.

 

[Todman]

The pandering to cars, as you call it, has been a political windfall for Labor though. People in particular through the eastern and southern suburbs of Melbourne (otherwise knows as where every Victorian election ever has been decided) not sitting at level crossings for what seems like hours have rewarded Labor with their votes in successive elections.

So what is next for these politically vital constituencies? SRL.

Meanwhile aside from the aforementioned Geelong issues, you still need to catch a V/Line train from Deer Park.

I wouldn't say that.

Brumby lost the 2010 election because Frankston line lost the express Malvern to South Yarra. It went to the Dandenong line.
Brumby lost 4 seats that adjoined the Frankston line.

THe seats , Bentleigh, Currum, Frankston and Mordialloc

When the Libs didn't restore Frankston's express trains the four seats swung back to Labor in 2014.

 

[nobbyiscool]

It's axed, only the two level crossing removals near Newport are going ahead

I'm confident it's not "axed", the webpage wouldn't still look like that if it were.

oh don't get me wrong I'm all for removing level crossings, they've done some good work with it, but I don't really see it as commitment to improving public transport as a service

They did a really good job of convincing people that LXRs were a public transport project. In reality, it was public transport users who suffered all the pain to reduce road congestion. And we can't get Metro 2 looked at, and SRL looks pretty unlikely.

Service frequency is better for the tram/train cross junctions. They were a joke. Kooyong station is still a joke.

I did a little bit of work on the peripherals of the Toorak Road LX removal (for one of the subbies.) Spent most of a year (2017 I think) trying to figure out how to grade separate Kooyong, only for the government to rush out it's Toorak Road announcement and decide Kooyong/Glenferrie Road wasn't a consideration "because it wasn't on the list." (The reason it wasn't on the list is because they didn't know how to do it! So it was an entirely circular, self defeating argument.)

It's a little strange they haven't done Kooyong, cos it will require compulsory acquisitions, either of a string of homes (and a couple of business) on Warra St and Glenferrie Road on one side, or about a third of the tennis club on the other side. To make such a politically unpopular move would've made a lot more sense in 2019 after the state election (when Toorak Road was announced/completed) where the Government had swings in favour in every LX seat.

 

[Todman]

I'd love to know how Jacinta is going to pay back all of Dan's spending money on empty promises.

New Victorian government's shock tax move after Andrews resigns

Treasurer Tim Pallas announced the surprise move at an industry breakfast on Tuesday, just one day after the state's new leader Jacinta Allan was sworn in and her fresh cabinet was unveiled.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Xtreme]

New Victorian government's shock tax move after Andrews resigns

Treasurer Tim Pallas announced the surprise move at an industry breakfast on Tuesday, just one day after the state's new leader Jacinta Allan was sworn in and her fresh cabinet was unveiled.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And how is that going to claw back the billions wasted ?

 

[Todman]

And how is that going to claw back the billions wasted ?

It's not. It's the start of new and exciting ways to drain the resources of the productive people of this state.
It's going to end badly as the investors will find other places to invest.

 

[Saint]

People in Geelong and the western suburbs would correctly point out they're paying for suburban rail loop in the east. Let's not play "what's in it for me" with government spending.

Oh, I agree that nobody should be paying for those few people who would use SRL.

But my comment was more about a life choice to live a long way from employment and then expect the Govt to improve it. Geelong might be growing as a commuter city, but that can't be sustained by road, even though the WGTP will be fixing a lot of that problem and buy another 5~10 years.

It's kind of the biggest problem with SRL that very few people were saying "Gee, I wish I could get from Clayton to Box Hill easier."

 

[Gralin]

It's not. It's the start of new and exciting ways to drain the resources of the productive people of this state.
It's going to end badly as the investors will find other places to invest.

What's productive about land banking or keeping properties vacant?

 

[Kyptastic]

Oh, I agree that nobody should be paying for those few people who would use SRL.

But my comment was more about a life choice to live a long way from employment and then expect the Govt to improve it. Geelong might be growing as a commuter city, but that can't be sustained by road, even though the WGTP will be fixing a lot of that problem and buy another 5~10 years.

It's kind of the biggest problem with SRL that very few people were saying "Gee, I wish I could get from Clayton to Box Hill easier."

The connection to Monash Uni is probably the biggest benefit we'll get out of the first stage, given its likely expansion as a major employer in the state.

 

[Saint]

If you want satellite cities you need the transport between them to be good.

I'm not convinced about why the Melbourne transport network should prioritise people coming from Geelong instead of people coming from Mambourin. Mambourin is the more sustainable option for employees of Melbourne's CBD

 

[Gralin]

I'm not convinced about why the Melbourne transport network should prioritise people coming from Geelong instead of people coming from Mambourin. Mambourin is the more sustainable option for employees of Melbourne's CBD

Not sure what you're even on about

You're saying we shouldn't have high speed rail connecting two major population centres in the state because what?

You want something else built even though the first has been promised for years

 

[Saint]

Not sure what you're even on about

You're saying we shouldn't have high speed rail connecting two major population centres in the state because what?

You want something else built even though the first has been promised for years

I would prioritise the Western Rail Plan over Geelong Fast Rail. Provide a minimum level of service to those closer to town rather than upgrading a service that others already have who are further from town. It's more cost-effective.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It's a moot point because the two projects are tied together. Without Geelong trains going to another line, the service to Wyndham Vale and all stations in between will still be shit. GFR is a pseudo attempt at creating a fast rail to Geelong (the time saving is barely 10 mins), the real purpose is freeing up capacity on the regional rail line.

 

[QuietB]

I did a little bit of work on the peripherals of the Toorak Road LX removal (for one of the subbies.) Spent most of a year (2017 I think) trying to figure out how to grade separate Kooyong, only for the government to rush out it's Toorak Road announcement and decide Kooyong/Glenferrie Road wasn't a consideration "because it wasn't on the list." (The reason it wasn't on the list is because they didn't know how to do it! So it was an entirely circular, self defeating argument.)

It's a little strange they haven't done Kooyong, cos it will require compulsory acquisitions, either of a string of homes (and a couple of business) on Warra St and Glenferrie Road on one side, or about a third of the tennis club on the other side. To make such a politically unpopular move would've made a lot more sense in 2019 after the state election (when Toorak Road was announced/completed) where the Government had swings in favour in every LX seat.

Considering all that Kooyong is never happening

 

[nobbyiscool]

Considering all that Kooyong is never happening

They pulled off acquisitions on CTD and had a 10% swing in favour in all those seats in the 2018

 

[Saint]

It's a moot point because the two projects are tied together. Without Geelong trains going to another line, the service to Wyndham Vale and all stations in between will still be s**t. GFR is a pseudo attempt at creating a fast rail to Geelong (the time saving is barely 10 mins), the real purpose is freeing up capacity on the regional rail line.

Regional Rail Link and all the stations have the capacity for the metro track pair to run alongside the existing tracks. It's always been assumed, but as usual, they're waiting until everyone buys a car and build houses with massive garages, big arterial roads, before offering them a decent PT service.

 

[QuietB]

Regional Rail Link and all the stations have the capacity for the metro track pair to run alongside the existing tracks. It's always been assumed, but as usual, they're waiting until everyone buys a car and build houses with massive garages, big arterial roads, before offering them a decent PT service.

Decent PT in the outer suburbs is not feasible. The housing density is way to low. Urban sprawl has to end.

 

[Saint]

Decent PT in the outer suburbs is not feasible. The housing density is way to low. Urban sprawl has to end.

I agree, but Geelong Sprawl but with faster trains is not the answer to solving Melbourne Sprawl.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Regional Rail Link and all the stations have the capacity for the metro track pair to run alongside the existing tracks. It's always been assumed, but as usual, they're waiting until everyone buys a car and build houses with massive garages, big arterial roads, before offering them a decent PT service.

It's no different spending money to build the extra tracks through Laverton, except in one scenario the Geelong trains detour to Sunshine and in the other they don't. Like I said, Geelong Fast Rail is really not just about people in Geelong having fast rail.

There are key pieces to move before electrification of the western regional lines happens, but none of them will because the MM2 and western rail plan are dead while SRL East has priority.

 

[Todman]

Decent PT in the outer suburbs is not feasible. The housing density is way to low. Urban sprawl has to end.

The problem that young home buyers have today is the same problem that young home buyers had fifty years ago.

Buy where you can afford, then have a longer commute to work. Once you paid enough of mortgage off you sell up and move to something closer in (or nearer to family).

The sprawl will continue, it only a matter of time before Steve Brack's infamous green spaces are fully developed. I say infamous because former Labor ministers set themselves up as consultants to get around the green spaces scheme.

 

[The Punter]

The problem that young home buyers have today is the same problem that young home buyers had fifty years ago.

Buy where you can afford, then have a longer commute to work. Once you paid enough of mortgage off you sell up and move to something closer in (or nearer to family).

The sprawl will continue, it only a matter of time before Steve Brack's infamous green spaces are fully developed. I say infamous because former Labor ministers set themselves up as consultants to get around the green spaces scheme.

If this is in reference to those wedges of parkland, farmland and bush around outer-Melbourne, those are Rupert Hamer's.