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I'm realising you and I look at things differently.
My guess, your are a glass half type.
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My guess, your are a glass half type.
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IIRC , I'm sure Steve Bracks had his plan.
I would dispute that. 50 years ago people wanted to live in the suburbs which were brand new, not that far from the city that it was not manageable and the inner suburbs were seen as rat infested ghettos (my nan actually said that once).
Now the new suburbs are literally 40-50k from the city, they themselves are qhettos within 20 years and there is zero density of infrastructure.
In addition to this we are increasingly sacrificing good farmland which is becoming a huge problem the world over as we need more food, not less.
Sprawl has never worked anywhere yet and it will not work in Melbourne.
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Yes, some parts of Richmond, Collingwood and Fitzroy were not places you'd want to be but things change over time.
You could have afforded Port Melbourne but then you probably needed to be a member of the Painters and Dockers union.
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Nothing , and vacant properties deteriorate over time which costs money to fix.
I was referring to extra taxes investors will pay. They may decide to invest interstate were the returns would be better.
"And you took all my talking points Carl."
Dumb as bricks, you aren't supposed to give the game away like that and let people know you all share the same media briefs.
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Perfect tone. They aren't relevant.
But then again, the Libs aren't known for defending a womens rights, say to defend herself, or the truth, rather she'd just submit.
They have on my line. Reduced time into the city and disruptions as well.
The first stages of the rail loop allow for additional density.
As has been noted many times before, the idea is to decentralise Melbourne, a tactice very successfully used in a number of East Asian cities like Tokyo.
It allows for increased density around PT hubs and an agglomeration of services, employers and so on. There are plans for significant expansion of the biotech, med research and clinical care precinct surrounding Monash University/Clayton.
Massive redevelopment will go hand in hand with the first spur of that line, plus be very convenient for workers and students living along a different axis than city to Clayton.
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Next time I hear this annual proposal to turn Dandenong into Melbourne's "second city" I'm going to vomit.
It'll never happen, and it'll need SRL - which is 30 years away - before it does.
I don't mind governments planning for the future. Failure to plan is why every open for inspection I attend at the moment has 20 people in it, and why I can't remember the last time I got a seat on public transport.
But I'd like them to talk about ideas like SRL that might happen in my lifetime, rather than a 2nd city project that won't.
The 1979 Freeway plan with freeways everywhere also had the same goal. You can still read it.
But what happened is that they used the freeways to get to the actual CBD rather than a 2nd or third centre developing.
It's a $100bn gamble not worth taking.
I had a conversation with a (female) work colleague saying more or less this. She claimed that because Allan is a woman it would be much different, hmmm.
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Or they just don’t invest in property
And sell existing property to an owner occupier
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Hmmm average house price in Melbourne $938,000 (June 2023)
The effect of this new tax, it might shake the tree of shallow pocket investors. It might cause a blip in housing stock availability.
Long term it will have a negative effect on housing supply, because the investors are looking interstate.
An ALP government (without Dan) is fine by me. I'd vote ALP if a state election was held today.Nice to see the truly broken souls ravaged by Dan in here lol, get used to it guys. The 'alternative' won't be in power for generations
I heard the same.
50km away from the city isn't what it used to be with our vastly improved freeway network. The city is far more easily accessible from Melton and Pakenham than it was 20 years ago.
What's your solution?
Landlords will pass on the cost to renters.
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Yes they will.
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Oh man, the tenants of those empty properties are going to be up for a tough time when the landlords get slugged with that new tax for having an empty property.
Haussmann Paris, NYC apartments, Barcelona, pretty much any euro apartment set up.
Haussmann Paris is the most perfect model and creates a perfect density. Commercial at street level, 4 levels of apartments above, mostly walk ups.
Start at the old fruit and veg market and move out from there.
Premier Jacinta Allan was warned four months before abandoning the 2026 Commonwealth Games that almost $2 billion extra would be needed to host the event in five regional cities in Victoria.
The details have emerged in a leaked statement from the Department of Jobs, Skills, Industry and Regions, obtained by The Age.
The details have emerged in a leaked statement from the Department of Jobs, Skills, Industry and Regions, obtained by The Age.
She's too gutless to face the Commomwealth Games enquiry. Own up to the stuff ups!!
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