Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[longdonkey]

I reckon we would go 7,25 & Bowes and a promise not to take Phillipou at 4 for Pick 8

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

GC will want your pick 9 or your future first.

Not sure why you think they are going to choose to get reamed when they don’t have to.

Jack Bowes, pick 7 and 31 to the Saints for Ben Long and pick 9. If the Suns are really generous they can throw in pick 34 as well but don't see that happening.

Why not, Bowes 7 & 25 for 9 & 27 & Long.

 

[bird_man]

Go and read the Daniher article and see whether the contract years make a difference to the compensation lol, they played the game and got the band 1 compensation. There's a trigger clause for his 5th year, it was initially reported around $700K (per the article) at 4 years so on the edge of band 1 (Rockliff just missed out on a 4 year contract at $650K 2 years earlier) but he end up agreeing on $600K (just missed out on band 2) at 5 year, less money per year but an extra year and given his history of injuries I can see why he did.

Port Adelaide to sign ex-Brisbane Lions captain Tom Rockliff as restricted free agent

Big move, big money: Rockliff to join Port

www.foxsports.com.au

Lots of figures get thrown around with no one actually knowing what the deal is. I doubt Crouch would have chosen to take 100k less a year so he could get a trigger for a 5th.

And the Daniher article you told me to read suggests you would need 800k a year to trigger band one.

Brisbane played the system by reducing the contract years so they could pay him more per year to trigger band one. They then signed him on for an extra 2 years on a smaller contract.

We were never planning on paying Crouch that much and we had no need to play the system as Crows weren't matching a bid.

It was delusional.to ever think he was getting Adelaide a band one compensation.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bowes should be staying or traded for a first round pick, without a sweetener.

Getting rid of Day, Thompson, Atkins, MacPherson; is a much better idea than Bowes.

Perhaps they have no market value…. But still better off keeping Bowes.

Yep unfortunately the afl probably wont let them as the contract payouts would put them over the cap limit i assume..but i agree that would be far better.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Depends how many retirements Geelong has.

Thats why a heap of players are waiting. Tuesday will be a very busy day.

Agreed. The result tomorrow will probably determine how many do or dont retire.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He signed an extension in 2016 to end 2019 and our champion list management team thought it would be a good idea to extend to the end of 2023 whilst recovering from an ACL.
Before his first ACL he was a damn good key defender. He's 31 now and playing in the VFL on a stupid amount of money

Thats a crazy extension given his lack of durability. Crazy

 

[ABAB]

Lots of figures get thrown around with no one actually knowing what the deal is. I doubt Crouch would have chosen to take 100k less a year so he could get a trigger for a 5th.

And the Daniher article you told me to read suggests you would need 800k a year to trigger band one.

Brisbane played the system by reducing the contract years so they could pay him more per year to trigger band one. They then signed him on for an extra 2 years on a smaller contract.

We were never planning on paying Crouch that much and we had no need to play the system as Crows weren't matching a bid.

It was delusional.to ever think he was getting Adelaide a band one compensation.

Yes he would given his history of injuries, hence we were never going to match 4 years let alone 5 years and that's why I said we had no power in the trade. $750-800K have easily been a band 1 compensation, $700K is be borderline going by the Rockliff FA situation only a few years earlier.

The AFL's secret formula for free agency compensation

Length of contract is largely irrelevant, but a one-year age gap can make a big difference.

www.theage.com.au

 

[bird_man]

GC will want your pick 9 or your future first.

Not sure why you think they are going to choose to get reamed when they don’t have to.

They won't get reemed as much as people suggest, but it wouldn't take 2 firsts to get 7 and Bowes

They want Bowes off their books, just like Brodie last year.

Whoever gets him is going have to pay little or nothing for him.

So giving up 9 and a future first for 7 wouldn't happen.

Basically giving up a future first to move up the draft 2 spots and ending up with a bloke on huge money that they want off their books

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong wanted to get Hopper, so they had that money at least. I am sure if they really really wanted to they could make it work. It is only for two years, so re-negotiate some contracts with current players so they are more back ended. Tom Stewart is on contract for two more years for instance; extend him another two, back end those two, done easy.

Yep.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They won't get reemed as much as people suggest, but it wouldn't take 2 firsts to get 7 and Bowes

They want Bowes off their books, just like Brodie last year.

Whoever gets him is going have to pay little or nothing for him.

So giving up 9 and a future first for 7 wouldn't happen.

Basically giving up a future first to move up the draft 2 spots and ending up with a bloke on huge money that they want off their books

He said 9 or a future 1st for 7, not both picks for 7.

 

[bird_man]

Yes he would given his history of injuries, hence we were never going to match 4 years let alone 5 years and that's why I said we had no power in the trade. $750-800K have easily been a band 1 compensation, $700K is be borderline going by the Rockliff FA situation only a few years earlier.

The AFL's secret formula for free agency compensation

Length of contract is largely irrelevant, but a one-year age gap can make a big difference.

www.theage.com.au

700k may have got him to band 2, it was never getting band one. Says as much in the Daniher article you shared earlier.

We were never paying him close to 800k

 

[bird_man]

He said 9 or a future 1st for 7, not both picks for 7.

Oh right, apologies LittleG I read that wrong

Agree, an upgrade from 9 to 7 seems most likely to me, maybe later pick swaps involved too.

 

[ABAB]

700k may have got him to band 2, it was never getting band one. Says as much in the Daniher article you shared earlier.

We were never paying him close to 800k

Like I said, going by what happened to Rockliff only a few years early when Brisbane requested a "please explain" from the AFL they said he just missed out on a band 1 compensation and was offered $650K at 4 years from Port Power so $700K at 4 years will be borderline band 1 2 years later with the increase in the salary cap. FYI, apparently Amon is getting a band 2 compensation with a $650K offer and similarly Lycett as well so $700K is borderline band 1.

 

[bird_man]

Like I said, going by what happened to Rockliff only a few years early when Brisbane requested a "please explain" from the AFL they said he just missed out on a band 1 compensation and was offered $650K at 4 years from Port Power so $700K at 4 years will be borderline 2 years later with the increase in the salary cap.

Ok, so you are just going to ignore the most recent article suggesting it would take 800k

 

[ABAB]

Ok, so you are just going to ignore the most recent article suggesting it would take 800k

$800K is the upper end of band 1. I'm taking about the lower end of band 1.

 

[WilloTree]

We should bring pick 7 home, good Geelong boy.

Barracked for North as a kid.

 

[bird_man]

$800K is the upper end of band 1. I'm taking about the lower end of band 1.

What the hell is the upper end of band one?

And what is the lower end? You either trigger band one or you don't.

That article suggests you need around 800k to trigger it

 

[ABAB]

What the hell is the upper end of band one?

And what is the lower end? You either trigger band one or you don't.

That article suggests you need around 800k to trigger it

There's a range, hence why the AFL said Rockliff just missed out and Motlop just scrap in for a band 2 compensation despite his offer being $100K less but is a year younger. $800K+ will be the upper end and likely $700K will be the lower end going by what happen to the Rockliff FA situation.

 

[MickG88]

Were GCS looking to get Ben Long already?

Because it seems silly to do a salary dump and give away those picks only to bring in another developed player on good money.

I would have thought Bowes + 7 for pick A and pick B. Or whever they end up being. But no players.

Long has nominated to go to the Suns, reason why he was listed In the trade. Long would be on half of what Bowes is on and less than Rankine.

 

[MickG88]

Why not, Bowes 7 & 25 for 9 & 27 & Long.

Another possible trade but I would add 34 going to the Saints because we are helping with he salary dump.

 

[Emerald Sun]

Thats a crazy extension given his lack of durability. Crazy

It's definitely a wild ride following the Suns

 

[CharacterFirst]

Why the hell would he agree to that.. if he has the $1.8m x 2 years locked in already?.

be fxxkn stupid..

do twice the work for the same pay.. when the same pay is already locked in.

A couple of free Pubs.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Barracked for North as a kid.

Yeah.

But they don't have a coach, so it's tricky.

 

[Snoref]

Not sure how geelong plan on fitting in Bowes, given bruhn and Henry linked to them so I would assume they are being offered decent contracts, on top of this Bowes would want extra years + $$ at the new club he is going to, given he knows they will get pick 7...so given this how does Geelong get it done? Also forgetting they need to trade for bruhn and henry- want will they have left to give to GC in return for Bowes and 7??

 

[The 747]

Not sure how geelong plan on fitting in Bowes, given bruhn and Henry linked to them so I would assume they are being offered decent contracts, on top of this Bowes would want extra years + $$ at the new club he is going to, given he knows they will get pick 7...so given this how does Geelong get it done? Also forgetting they need to trade for bruhn and henry- want will they have left to give to GC in return for Bowes and 7??

As far as fitting in, I reckon a bit more than a million dollars worth of salary cap will go this year. Easy especially with an avalanche of retirements coming up.

Also we pay our fringe/VFL players well and our AFL players not much so delistings open up more cap than at other clubs.

As to how we trade for all this, I don't think we will. We will get Bruhn, the others are maybe.