Oppo Camp Jack Ginnivan (Traded to Hawks 2023)

[Scodog10]

So his defensive pressure is not a concern then? Is that your point?

After 2 matches?! He’s at least three seasons from having an AFL hardened body and you know what if he’s lacing guys out still by then I couldn’t give two shits if he lays one tackle for a year. We’ve needed someone with that little somethin somethin about them since Didak finished up and it’s exciting so don’t be a downer.

 

[Rebuilder]

They've got to draw a line somewhere. The line is drawn regarding whether you stop the bloke making an effective disposal. Seems fair enough to me.

Some of these mids are so good that unless you pin the arms or ball, you might as well have just corralled them. Cause they'll hit their target even if you're hanging off them. Someone like Libba for example.

No idea what the pressure acts stat comes from, but I assume that it fits in there.

If you've forced the player to deviate from what they were doing then the tackle has been successful in my mind, still reckon they got it wrong.

 

[domus]

He's a couple of preseasons away, but has some class.

He laid a couple of excellent tackles today.

 

[sr36]

If you've forced the player to deviate from what they were doing then the tackle has been successful in my mind, still reckon they got it wrong.

How do you judge it though or differentiate between a tackle that breaks up the play and one that doesn't?

You pin Libba so he doesn't get off an effective disposal, you get credited with a tackle. You grab him around the waist with his arms free and he fires the ball off to Bont and I daresay it's a pressure act stat.

It fair enough, the issue is that we don't have easy access to the pressure act stats to have a better measure of who is applying pressure.

 

[sr36]

He laid a couple of excellent tackles today.

He's an excellent prospect.

 

[OniAu]

1: Discussing a young players strengths and weaknesses is not "taking a pot shot"
2: Discussing the tackle count when analysing a medium forward's pressure is not a "questionable" stat.
3: His pressure is fine? Okay, we'll see if you're right

You are just negative on everything. But you claim its an opinion so it cant be disproved.

 

[sr36]

Yes, he often corrals players he's close to rather than run them down, doesn't appear to apply much pressure to them over the TV, but the stats say they do...

I'm looking forward to JDG learning that it's often better to corral than to charge a bloke and miss the tackle.

 

[Harry O]

Look at how skinny his legs are

still 18

lots of scope for improvement with this lad

 

[Kappa]

You are just negative on everything. But you claim its an opinion so it cant be disproved.

I can very easily prove this post wrong though.

 

[Rebuilder]

How do you judge it though or differentiate between a tackle that breaks up the play and one that doesn't?

You pin Libba so he doesn't get off an effective disposal, you get credited with a tackle. You grab him around the waist with his arms free and he fires the ball off to Bont and I daresay it's a pressure act stat.

It fair enough, the issue is that we don't have easy access to the pressure act stats to have a better measure of who is applying pressure.

If you've laid the tackle you've laid the tackle, it's completely unnecessary to bring anything else into it for mine or the very questions you bring up come into play, they've drawn a line where they didn't need to. If you needed a line I would have thought break the tackle and it's not counted, like a dropped mark.

 

[grayza2018]

Should be holding his spot the rest of the year, I'm pretty happy with his start to his career and what he brings to the side

 

[jackcass]

Yeah... you must be one who thinks defensive pressure isn't an issue I'm guessing, correct? Or do you secretly know I'm right...

Ranked =7th for the team on pressure acts... just saying...

 

[jackcass]

Ginnivan had 13 pressure acts. That was the 8th most on our team

=7th

 

[jackcass]

Paid the free to Hurn didn't they? After Jack spun him 360?

and he then dived forward throwing the footy away...

 

[mike123]

Surprised at the zero tackle stat swear he got a couple.

whilst he’s no McCreery he looked much improved in the pressure department from the first game where he was basically a traffic cone.

 

[mike123]

I'm looking forward to JDG learning that it's often better to corral than to charge a bloke and miss the tackle.

I don’t get this hate against corralling, it’s very easy to get stepped when fully commit to a tackle.

 

[Brad Goodman]

I don’t get this hate against corralling, it’s very easy to get stepped when fully commit to a tackle.

Mayne is the king of it, he knows that if he goes the lunge he’ll get stepped around. Frustrating to watch him do it, but the corralling will usually impact the quality of the disposal, so it’s effective.

 

[Anzacday]

Wow so many responses - well played

 

[jimmy35]

Look at how skinny his legs are

still 18

lots of scope for improvement with this lad

Looked like a 12 year when he was celebrating that goal. Loved it.

 

[jimmy35]

Mayne is the king of it, he knows that if he goes the lunge he’ll get stepped around. Frustrating to watch him do it, but the corralling will usually impact the quality of the disposal, so it’s effective.

Slows the play, breaks up the run and momentum and gives teammates more time to defend better.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Surprised at the zero tackle stat swear he got a couple.

whilst he’s no McCreery he looked much improved in the pressure department from the first game where he was basically a traffic cone.

I remember a couple he put on Naitanui alone; very strange.

 

[ipswichpies]

Looked like a 12 year when he was celebrating that goal. Loved it.

Got the distance from 50 comfortably and yes he likes a goal does Jack.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Great start to career

Annoying little rat type player

Upwards and onwards son

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Great start to career

Annoying little rat type player

Upwards and onwards son

 

[Brad Goodman]

Jack has inner beauty, like you’d find in a rodent.