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Our midfield was excellent on Sunday but if we had a better forward set up and Jeffy didn't have such an off day we would have won by 12 goals. Our midfield didn't perform better because Hogan and Watts weren't our forward targets.
 
Bluelegs said:
Our midfield was excellent on Sunday but if we had a better forward set up and Jeffy didn't have such an off day we would have won by 12 goals. Our midfield didn't perform better because Hogan and Watts weren't our forward targets.
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Disagree, Harmes and Hannan wouldnt have had the quarters they did with those 2 pushing them out of the way.
 
Gysberts2Bate said:
I guess we'll see, won't we. More than happy to eat my words if he doesn't play
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Im not making a call either way, but hes far from a lock. You would think that possibly missing the first final of your career would motivate anyone.
 

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Topkent said:
Im not making a call either way, but hes far from a lock. You would think that possibly missing the first final of your career would motivate anyone.
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Would be harsh haha, he's about as emblematic of our struggles since 07 or 09 when he debuted as anyone
 
Thread title desperately needed an update.

Thread has hardly moved this year, gets dropped, 10 pages.
 
Topkent said:
Disagree, Harmes and Hannan wouldnt have had the quarters they did with those 2 pushing them out of the way.
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Thats not really what he was saying.

Our midfield was smashed NM and GWS - Harmes and Hannan also played like shit those games
 
How did my threat title only last an hour?

Mods these days! :rolleyes:
 
Topkent said:
Disagree, Harmes and Hannan wouldnt have had the quarters they did with those 2 pushing them out of the way.
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With the amount of ball that was going into our forwardline in the first half and how bad St.Kilda were,we should have been 10 goals up at half time. We wasted the ball a lot and Saints took plenty of easy marks in our forward 50.
 
Bluelegs said:
With the amount of ball that was going into our forwardline in the first half and how bad St.Kilda were,we should have been 10 goals up at half time. We wasted the ball a lot and Saints took plenty of easy marks in our forward 50.
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Hogan and watts wouldn't have made any difference though, our scoring dropped off around the time Watts and Hogan returned to the side. Also we were pretty efficient in the first half it was more when the 3rd rolled round and weid couldn't stop Carlisle tearing us apart that Hogan could have been handy to get him away from the down the line contest
 
Topkent said:
Hogan and watts wouldn't have made any difference though, our scoring dropped off around the time Watts and Hogan returned to the side. Also we were pretty efficient in the first half it was more when the 3rd rolled round and weid couldn't stop Carlisle tearing us apart that Hogan could have been handy to get him away from the down the line contest
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Nah the 2nd qrt in particular we were pretty wasteful, but it was more that we didn't take our chances rather than getting cut up by their talls like in the 3rd.

Either Watts or Hogan would have been handy to stretch Carlisle out a bit and not make it so easy for him to cut it off down the line. Both having much bigger tanks, and being much smarter players than Weid.
 
Topkent said:
Hogan and watts wouldn't have made any difference though, our scoring dropped off around the time Watts and Hogan returned to the side. Also we were pretty efficient in the first half it was more when the 3rd rolled round and weid couldn't stop Carlisle tearing us apart that Hogan could have been handy to get him away from the down the line contest
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Hogan brutalises the Saints every time he plays them and Watts would have been much more effective than Weid in every way except for his tackling.
 
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Bluelegs said:
Hogan brutalises the Saints every time he plays them and Watts would have been much more effective than Weid in every way except for his tackling.
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Right and we lost to the saints every time as well.

Watts was dropped for being shit, no guarantee he would have been more effective or Goody would have picked him. You don't send a match winner to the VFL if he is playing even OK footy
 

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Topkent said:
Right and we lost to the saints every time as well.

Watts was dropped for being shit, no guarantee he would have been more effective or Goody would have picked him. You don't send a match winner to the VFL if he is playing even OK footy
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Was never Hogans fault our midfield always fell apart against St.Kilda in the second halves of games.

Have no problem with Watts being dropped but Weid basically served as a novelty. Watts will be back in the side if we make it to finals and should be.
 
Bluelegs said:
Was never Hogans fault our midfield always fell apart against St.Kilda in the second halves of games.

Have no problem with Watts being dropped but Weid basically served as a novelty. Watts will be back in the side if we make it to finals and should be.
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Weid got lucky. But every chance frost comes back in and Tmac goes forward. I'm not convinced Watts walks back in.

Also in what your saying a good midfield can make any forward line work. Dogs didn't have Hogan last year and still managed a September slap down
 
Sir Hugh Percy said:
Not disputing your call on his form over the past couple of years, or his trade value, but I get the impression that Goodwin is not going to be very forgiving of "oh, that's just Jack". I don't know how many chances he's prepared to give him, but I think there will be a time when Goody decides that he's not wasting anymore time trying to get a 150+ game player to be self-sufficient with his intensity.
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Fair call
 
Sir Hugh Percy said:
Not disputing your call on his form over the past couple of years, or his trade value, but I get the impression that Goodwin is not going to be very forgiving of "oh, that's just Jack". I don't know how many chances he's prepared to give him, but I think there will be a time when Goody decides that he's not wasting anymore time trying to get a 150+ game player to be self-sufficient with his intensity.
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I think this off season we will learn a lot about Goodwin and the culture he is aiming to implement at the dees. For mine, and looking at some of the points you've made above, things seem to be stacking up against Watts.

It wouldn't surprise me if as a club we seek to make a statement to rest of the competition this off season and ruthlessly headhunt elite talent from other clubs. Looking squarely at Lever here. But also possibly a Whitfield or even Kelly (although that seems a longshot). Of course our list will be improved by one of these players. And here's where things start to stack up badly against Watts.

Watts played badly in three consecutive matches that saw us go from top 4 contender to playing an early elimination final against the saints. This would have jolted Goodwin's faith in him, because he ought to have performed better as a senior member of our team in the lead up to finals. Missing four matches isn't a valid excuse here. He ought to be able to pick up form quicker than that as a 150 game player.

Damningly, he got dropped for the saints game and the team plays very well. Players like Pedersen, Harmes and Hannan bob up to kick multiple goals. Those three kicked 7 between them. So you have to weigh up a Jack Watts selection and it's flow on effects for the rest of the team, against how the team can perform without him. Taking the last four weeks as a form guide, there is no way Jack is back in the Melbourne team this week off the back of 22 and 1 for Casey. Our forwards were simply too good collectively against St Kilda without him, and that was with Weidemann only getting 6 possessions. The aim is ultimately winning and Weidemann contributed to the team balance that got this done.

Having said all that, a decent VFL performance and a less than satisfactory performance by our forwards against the Lions and he could be back in for the Collingwood game. But I would say his chances of getting back into the senior team this year are reliant on others letting the opportunity slip. That in itself is a terrible situation to be in for a player of Watts' talent. And with players like Lever in the off season to trade for, his dees future looks to be in even more trouble. If Watts gives a flying fig about being a part of the future of the MFC then he has to dominate in the VFL this week end.
 
Russian Demon said:
Can't we all just agree that we'd prefer Jack Watts to that complete blouse, Josh Bruce? I mean jesus, what an onmishambles.
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Their stats are pretty similar...
 
Cannon82 said:
Watts ahead in the all-important man bun category, though.
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Carey, Plugger, Dunstall, Ablett... not a man bun in sight, the results speak for themselves really
 
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