Traded Jaeger O'Meara [traded to Hawthorn for pick 10 and GWS's 2017 2nd rd pick]

[MC_9]

Because all the players we have asked for have been rejected and you don't have the picks to trade.

How do you know they have been rejected.

It is all conjecture and innuendo. No one knows anything until the trade will be done.

You are getting upset over nothing. Don't jump to conclusions without the information.

 

[Myles]

T

LOL point out where i have complained about GC being stubborn? You might be surprised to learn that not all Hawthorn supporters have the same opinions on things.



Remember that you not only have to convince Hawthorn, you also have to convince the player to want to come to GC. As far as i'm aware, none of the players who GC are interested in are actually interested in going to your club.

Then cough up the picks. Plus I'd rather have players who want to be here rather than mercenaries that want an easy shot at a flag.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

If Jaeger goes to PSD then goodbye any credibility GC have left.

I don't know.

All clubs want (or should want) to be destination clubs. You do not achieve this by being a doormat for players to walk over on the way to another club that particular player feels is a destination club.

A club does not exist for the sole benefit of any player, and that is equally true the other way around as well.

If a player does want to move to somewhere else and there is little to no benefit for the club in that trade, then they are better off just cutting the losses, even if it means getting nothing.

That does send a strong message though. Actions have consequences, and ending up at a less than desirable club might be one of those consequences.

 

[Prudster]

T

Then cough up the picks. Plus I'd rather have players who want to be here rather than mercenaries that want an easy shot at a flag.

Haven't GC come out and said they want mature players, not picks? You are talking like we're all list managers here, but none of us really have any idea how far away the two sides are from agreeing. The reality is that when players want to leave a club, their original club often gets less than they would consider fair value. That will almost certainly be the case here, and GC can decide to accept an offer they consider less than fair value, or (assuming JOM will only accept a trade to Hawthorn) they can take nothing and send him to the draft. It sucks for GC, but every club has been in that situation before, the only thing you can do is make your club an attractive place to be so that as few players as possible choose to leave.

 

[DaTBird187]

The same clubs aren't always going to be at the top.
Teams at the bottom can benefit from FA and player movement too, they just have to be creative and bold enough to do so.
Like St Kilda have been with McEvoy, Goddard and Dal Santo, Carlisle, Bruce, Membrey and now Steele. How do you explain their success in this period?

St Kilda is a rubbish example. How did they benefit from Goddard walking out on them? Steele? A fringe GWS player? Hardly screams destination club or brave move. They blinked and paid overs for Carlisle too.

And as the system is now, why can't Hawthorn stay at the top? No high draft picks yet they most likely will land all of Vickery, O'Meara and T Mitchell this off season and pay unders for all of them, because their current teams will have to accept unders. If 20-24yo players with a few years in the system keep coming there, why would they need to draft at all. You are just a few years ahead of the curve, plus you aren't having to draft unknowns.

All this talk from Hawks fans of "make your team a destination club" and "raise the bar", doesn't help clubs like Gold Coast, who lose player after player and can't get what they need (established 1st team players), because players from the teams they are dealing with, flat out refuse to go there.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Shiels just ruled out of O'Meara deal

 

[Myles]

Haven't GC come out and said they want mature players, not picks? You are talking like we're all list managers here, but none of us really have any idea how far away the two sides are from agreeing. The reality is that when players want to leave a club, their original club often gets less than they would consider fair value. That will almost certainly be the case here, and GC can decide to accept an offer they consider less than fair value, or (assuming JOM will only accept a trade to Hawthorn) they can take nothing and send him to the draft. It sucks for GC, but every club has been in that situation before, the only thing you can do is make your club an attractive place to be so that as few players as possible choose to leave.

How do we make our club attractive when every 2 or 3 years bigger clubs come in and offer 2/5ths of **** all to all our good players and we are backed into a corner and forced to accept.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If Jaeger goes to PSD then goodbye any credibility GC have left.

If you don't offer a fair trade, what do you want GC to do? Accept massive unders? as it is your TOP offer is unders by a fair bit. GC want a best 22 player along with a future first, that is not unreasonable.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

If you don't offer a fari trade, what do you want GC to do? Accept massive unders? as it is your TOP offer is unders by a fair bit. GC want a best 22 player along with a future first, that is not unreasonable.

Hawthorn are only going to offer what they think he is worth. He is a massive risk and GC know it. They will accept a first round pick and fringe player. Take it to the bank

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hawthorn are only going to offer what they think he is worth. He is a massive risk and GC know it. They will accept a first round pick and fringe player. Take it to the bank

Then he can walk to the draft. GC will send a message if that is all you are offering. It will need to be a best 22 player, and not a fringe best 22 player.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Then he can walk to the draft. GC will send a message if that is all you are offering. It will need to be a best 22 player, and not a fringe best 22 player.

What message does that send though?
It is against Gold Coasts interests (despite what Cochrane has said) to let him walk for free.

 

[cdcanman]

St Kilda is a rubbish example. How did they benefit from Goddard walking out on them? Steele? A fringe GWS player? Hardly screams destination club or brave move. They blinked and paid overs for Carlisle too.

And as the system is now, why can't Hawthorn stay at the top? No high draft picks yet they most likely will land all of Vickery, O'Meara and T Mitchell this off season and pay unders for all of them, because their current teams will have to accept unders. If 20-24yo players with a few years in the system keep coming there, why would they need to draft at all. You are just a few years ahead of the curve, plus you aren't having to draft unknowns.

All this talk from Hawks fans of "make your team a destination club" and "raise the bar", doesn't help clubs like Gold Coast, who lose player after player and can't get what they need (established 1st team players), because players from the teams they are dealing with, flat out refuse to go there.

They benefitted by offloading some of their veterans for draft assets to hasten their rebuild.
Steele would be best 22 at every other club in the competition. Not his fault where and when he was drafted.
FA/player movement will allow hawthorn to extend their window for a year or two, but it won't allow them to keep it open indefinitely. They will fall down the ladder in the coming years. The salary cap won't allow you to secure 2-3 big FA's/uncontracted players each year to replenish your list enough to have to draft talent, and stay up the top forever. 23-24 y/o's cost a hell of a lot more than draftees.

All of these same arguments were used when any major sporting code introduced free agency. Within 10 years, maybe even less, they were completely forgotten about, never to be spoken of again. People realised that it wouldn't favour the same teams all the time, that the salary cap and draft will ultimately level the playing field over time, just as they are meant to. The AFL will be no different. Remember, the league has been artificially skewed due to the expansion teams. It has likely made things appear worse than they actually are. Nothing to fear here

 

[mezaire]

Just a thought, feel free to rip it to shreds. Just don't think Hawks picks alone will satisfy GC


Hawks
give Hill pick, 2017 1st
get JOM

GC
give JOM
get Hanley, Motlop

Bris
give Hanley
Get Hawks 2017 1st

Geelong
give Motlop
get Hill pick

 

[DaTBird187]

They benefitted by offloading some of their veterans for draft assets to hasten their rebuild.
Steele would be best 22 at every other club in the competition. Not his fault where and when he was drafted.
FA/player movement will allow hawthorn to extend their window for a year or two, but it won't allow them to keep it open indefinitely. They will fall down the ladder in the coming years. The salary cap won't allow you to secure 2-3 big FA's/uncontracted players each year to replenish your list enough to have to draft talent, and stay up the top forever. 23-24 y/o's cost a hell of a lot more than draftees.

All of these same arguments were used when any major sporting code introduced free agency. Within 10 years, maybe even less, they were completely forgotten about, never to be spoken of again. People realised that it wouldn't favour the same teams all the time, that the salary cap and draft will ultimately level the playing field over time, just as they are meant to. The AFL will be no different. Remember, the league has been artificially skewed due to the expansion teams. It has likely made things appear worse than they actually are. Nothing to fear here

Of course not, you've got your cups.

 

[DaTBird187]

Just a thought, feel free to rip it to shreds. Just don't think Hawks picks alone will satisfy GC


Hawks
give Hill pick, 2017 1st
get JOM

GC
give JOM
get Hanley, Motlop

Bris
give Hanley
Get Hawks 2017 1st

Geelong
give Motlop
get Hill pick

Not much to hate for GC, Brisbane or Geelong. I'm still umming and ahhing about Hawthorn making off like bandits.

 

[Milanista28]

Pick 1 for Omeara and pick 4 is better than PSD.

 

[cdcanman]

Of course not, you've got your cups.

Hawthorn benefitted from happening to be at the top when all these changes and the expansion teams were introduced. There is no question about that

 

[MisterMarcus]

Just a thought, feel free to rip it to shreds. Just don't think Hawks picks alone will satisfy GC


Hawks
give Hill pick, 2017 1st
get JOM

GC
give JOM
get Hanley, Motlop

Bris
give Hanley
Get Hawks 2017 1st

Geelong
give Motlop
get Hill pick

Slight unders for Hanley.....perhaps Hawthorn give up a fringe player to Brisbane as well?

 

[teddies]

the risk is too great given the uncertainty surrounding his knee. Giving up a selection of our stars would be ludicrous.

Happy to let Jaeger walk to the draft. Gold Coast will lose him for nothing, and he'll sadly end up somewhere he doesn't want to be.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What message does that send though?
It is against Gold Coasts interests (despite what Cochrane has said) to let him walk for free.

That GC won't be pushovers. You may thik a future first is enough, GC don't and that is their right. They are not in a situation like Sydney who can accept unders (way under) and be relatively comfortable.

 

[2006_Eagles]

I see what's happening here

Sitch to Eagles for pick 68 and that pick on traded for O'Meara

 

[Furn2]

No it's to prove a point to the rest of the afl that they can't bully club's to take shut deals just cos they don't want to cough up a fair exchange.

It's not a shit deal, how many players get a 1st rounder and an early 2nd ?

You just want to blame big meab Hawthorn cos no one wants to play for u.

 

[Myles]

It's not a shit deal, how many players get a 1st rounder and an early 2nd ?

You just want to blame big meab Hawthorn cos no one wants to play for u.

No I want to blame hawthorn for trying to screw us over and then have the nerve to complain about us not liking it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It's not a shit deal, how many players get a 1st rounder and an early 2nd ?

You just want to blame big meab Hawthorn cos no one wants to play for u.

O'Meara is worth as much as Treloar...and you are not giving a top 10 pick at all...lets face facts you are wanting him on the cheap.

 

[Prudster]

How do we make our club attractive when every 2 or 3 years bigger clubs come in and offer 2/5ths of **** all to all our good players and we are backed into a corner and forced to accept.

How did the Bulldogs turn themselves into an attractive prospect after being raided? GC as a club have to offer something to players that makes them actually want to be there. Money isn't always the only thing. A good culture, the opportunity for success, playing time, location (which will obviously often go against GC), whatever it may be for each individual player, GC is currently not satisfying a lot of players