Jake Carlisle's Video - Duty to Reveal?

[the dog's kennel]

I've been looking around and I can't find a thread on this already. Sorry if it has been posted somewhere.

I'm interested on people's views on what happened with the Jake Carlisle video - not the video itself but on Carlisle's manager and the AFLPA intentionally keeping a lid on the video until after the trade had been done. I feel a bit sorry for St Kilda, I think they have been well stitched-up.

I understand the Manager and the AFLPA are supposed to look after the player's interests. But when the player is not only breaking a code of the game but breaking the LAW, it seems a bit dodgier to me.

And when do you get to a point where the player agent is considered to be misleading St Kilda under the law and therefore voiding the contract? Could St Kilda possibly have grounds to sue?

Thoughts?

 

[manboob]

I'd be pretty pissed if I were the Saints. But at the end of the day it seems to be a "sucks to be you" scenario.

 

[manboob]

It does speak to a couple of other issues though. How much the Dons knew and when they knew it.
And also agents are up to some dodgy shit of late. The Treloar operation and this aren't great looks for the game.

 

[Tulip]

It does speak to a couple of other issues though. How much the Dons knew and when they knew it.
And also agents are up to some dodgy shit of late. The Treloar operation and this aren't great looks for the game.

Don't think the Dons did much wrong. Sounds like the manager found out, and the AFLPA showed their true colours and disregard for the integrity of the game when consulted.

 

[DERIBERATE]

Don't think the Dons did much wrong. Sounds like the manager found out, and the AFLPA showed their true colours and disregard for the integrity of the game when consulted.

Ultimately they're a union and the player's advocate. They're just doing their job - being dodgy can'ts.

 

[manboob]

Don't think the Dons did much wrong. Sounds like the manager found out, and the AFLPA showed their true colours and disregard for the integrity of the game when consulted.

I think you are probably right. I think they would have been done and dusted with him after the last game.

 

[Moo]

If Essendon knew very poor form.

If Jake knew about the vid poor form.

Manager is there to represent the client.

 

[Spook]

The problem is that it is very hard to prove he was breaking the law unless you have the substance and it was tested to be an illegal substance.

 

[Unfazed]

It does speak to a couple of other issues though. How much the Dons knew and when they knew it.
And also agents are up to some dodgy shit of late. The Treloar operation and this aren't great looks for the game.

ACA said they told McConvile. If they had told Essendon ACA would have said so to make even more drama.

 

[Naked_North]

So many clubs dodged a bullet on this knob head

 

[Hawkers]

The AFLPA is the worst organisation in football. It should be disbanded

 

[Stereophonic]

The problem is that it is very hard to prove he was breaking the law unless you have the substance and it was tested to be an illegal substance.

OK. What do people snort in white powder form that isn't a narcotic. PowerAde?

 

[The 747]

Unless the law has changed and I missed it, consuming drugs isn't illegal, possessing them is.

 

[Jesse Custer]

OK. What do people snort in white powder form that isn't a narcotic. PowerAde?

Sherbet

 

[SwampCreature]

The AFLPA is the worst organisation in football. It should be disbanded

Unions are a vital part of any industry, to prevent dodgy people in powerful organisations (like the AFL) from screwing over their workforce for their own gain.

Sadly like a lot of unions it looks like there are people involved in the AFLPA just as dodgy willing to ironically and hypocritically screw over organisations for their own gain.

Then they both take shot at each other for being untrustworthy ad infinitim.

But you couldn't ban them, for all the shit they give the good things they do serve an imperative purpose.

No good guys or bad guys, just jerks after more money at the expense of people who are not them.

It's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiife

 

[Bluelegs]

Unions are a vital part of any industry, to prevent dodgy people in powerful organisations (like the AFL) from screwing over their workforce for their own gain.

Sadly like a lot of unions it looks like there are people involved in the AFLPA just as dodgy willing to ironically and hypocritically screw over organisations for their own gain.

Then they both take shot at each other for being untrustworthy ad infinitim.

But you couldn't ban them, for all the shit they give the good things they do serve an imperative purpose.

No good guys or bad guys, just jerks after more money at the expense of people who are not them.

It's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiife

Unions exist to give power to the powerless. They act as a shield to protect the individual workers by uniting them and giving them representation as a collective. Players don't need unions because they already have representation through their management. They have the luxury of hiring professionals to negotiate with their employers and demand fair treatment. The AFLPA is a redundancy.

 

[ydraw]

OK. What do people snort in white powder form that isn't a narcotic. PowerAde?

Ritalin, Dexamphetamine

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Don't think the Dons did much wrong. Sounds like the manager found out, and the AFLPA showed their true colours and disregard for the integrity of the game when consulted.

It is interesting considering the AFLPA basically dudded their former boss in Matt Finnis.

 

[the_interloper]

It's just bad luck Saints, I'm sure they would have known he's a loose unit anyway so probably didn't surprise them.

 

[SwampCreature]

Unions exist to give power to the powerless. They act as a shield to protect the individual workers by uniting them and giving them representation as a collective. Players don't need unions because they already have representation through their management. They have the luxury of hiring professionals to negotiate with their employers and demand fair treatment. The AFLPA is a redundancy.

The AFL can't collectivley bargain with hundreds of individual player managers, it's not feasible. You'd end up with the managers' union (I'm not sure if there is one - I'd be surprised if there's not and in this hypothetical one would form pretty quickly) effectively performing the same functions as the AFLPA. Like it or not the players need a seat at the table every time a new media rights deal is signed.

Look, I hate the way the player's cut of the games' funds have grown year on year at the expense of strengthening it in other areas (particularly grass roots) and nobody wants two byes.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that without the AFL, there's be no byes, less money for the players and probably other things that would inevitably cause other issues, including driving talent from the game, at great cost.

Don't for a minute think I'm defending the AFLPA, please - it's just they are a necessary group of greedy jerks in a greedy jerk world.

 

[MightyDons4]

If Essendon knew very poor form.

If Jake knew about the vid poor form.

Manager is there to represent the client.

We didn't know about the video.

Of course Jake knew, he made the video!

 

[JackFlash]

Several clubs jumped off the Carlisle bandwagon citing dubious character before the Saints finally took the plunge into what they thought was the deep end of the pool! It's poor form all round and the deal should've been called off, Carlisle suspended for a year and the Saints receive their pick 5 back! The AFL are fair dinkum unbelievable with their lack of action, they suspend a bloke for making a bet for over a year, someone none of us know from Adam, yet a high profile player dives face first into a pile of "snow" Tony Montana style and nothing really happens?
I'm starting to think that the only thing "Gilligan" concerns himself with is whether or not his tie is on straight?

 

[jackdanielz3]

OK. What do people snort in white powder form that isn't a narcotic. PowerAde?

Creatine

 

[Stereophonic]

haha, guess that's why your club was more than happy to make a deal on Carlisle?

#numptysgonnanumpt

sounds like a case of sour grapes to me Rumply
Everyone is entitled to do their research, and AFL clubs have a lot of ínsiders'

 

[Bluelegs]

The AFL can't collectivley bargain with hundreds of individual player managers, it's not feasible. You'd end up with the managers' union (I'm not sure if there is one - I'd be surprised if there's not and in this hypothetical one would form pretty quickly) effectively performing the same functions as the AFLPA. Like it or not the players need a seat at the table every time a new media rights deal is signed.

Look, I hate the way the player's cut of the games' funds have grown year on year at the expense of strengthening it in other areas (particularly grass roots) and nobody wants two byes.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that without the AFL, there's be no byes, less money for the players and probably other things that would inevitably cause other issues, including driving talent from the game, at great cost.

Don't for a minute think I'm defending the AFLPA, please - it's just they are a necessary group of greedy jerks in a greedy jerk world.

They do bargain with managers. The managers bargain with clubs, the Clubs are the employers not the AFL. The managers should be making demands for their players through their clubs and then their clubs should be making those demands of the AFL.

The absurd thing about the AFLPA is the clubhouse mentality. The Association fights for the interests of the most in demand players over the players who actually need the AFLPA to maintain a career. The average lifespan of an AFL career has gotten no longer even with the inception of Free Agency (which was brought in to apparently make it easier for players not getting a game) yet the movement of contracted players and young players has risen exponentially.

The AFLPA fought for a larger cut of the 2011 tv rights deal even though the biggest slice of those funds was used to create hundreds of new industry jobs in the creation of two new clubs. and ~90 list spots for new players to fill.

They are an insular and self-preserving entity who have little interest in growing the jobs they claim to represent. Their accomplishments have only benefited the most in demand players rather than the most under-priviledged.

I understand that the players deserve to make demands and requests of the governing body but their employers should be the ones who make those demands for them.

Instead the AFLPA got into a direct dialogue with the AFL and were only granted the demands that would have little impact on the AFL and instead impacted predominantly on the Clubs.