James Worpel [signs 2 year deal]

[Heaps of fun]

You would rate Simpkin pretty high, I bet.

What's that got to do with Worpel?

 

[Blackhawk42]

What's that got to do with Worpel?

You came in hot with a negative take on an opposition player.

Considering the player in question is comparable to your captain statistically people are just wondering if you are also as harsh on him.

 

[H00t]

Our starting midfield heading into 2024 will look like this in my opinion.

First rotation: Day, Newcombe Nash
Second rotation: Ward, Mackenzie
Connor Macdonald will also get a few CBA most weeks.

Currently, when everyone is fit, Worpel in my opinion has that last spot and is keeping Cam Mackenzie out of the side. A player that is already one our team’s best users by foot despite only playing a handful of games.

There’s also the likes of Cooper Stephens and Henry Hustwaite coming through that will be given a run in the back half of the season. If they perform, Worpel won’t be playing next season.

We know what Worpel is. He isn’t going to get better. He’s an accumulator that can’t kick. With such a poor forward line like ours, you can’t carry those players every week. Every team has players like Worpel and most aren’t playing..see the likes of Will Brodie at Freo and Matt kennedy at Carlton. Both those players are better than Worpel.

We will be losing our second and third round picks in a strong draft at the end of the season in order to get Will McCabe, who is looking like a top 15-20 prospect.

We will be looking to get additional draft picks in what looks to be a strong draft. Worpel, is one player that a club may offer a pick in the 30-40 range.

Who would you rather in the team each week moving forward?? James Worpel or Cam Mackenzie? It can’t be both as the guys above are locks and there is only room for one.

Different players playing a different role. Worps is our only guy who can reliably crash in and win the hardball. He’s the one enabling those other guys to do what they do by consistently cracking in hard. Nash and Jai might add that to their repertoire but aren’t there yet.

Also Worps is the opposite to an accumulator. He doesn’t get a lot of easy possessions each week.

The guys you want to replace him with aren’t up to big cba’s quite yet and would get bullied by most midfields.

You are also putting a lot on Stephens and Hustwaite to perform when both look at longer odds to make it.

Maybe we do end up replacing him in the future but we don’t have the guys who can kick him off just yet.

 

[Heaps of fun]

You would rate Simpkin pretty high, I bet.

Yeah.

 

[hawkinoz]

Worps is playing a strong part in a well function midfield group.

Off all the names in the midfield, he is the one we can afford to lose and still have cover. I think, Hawks will listen to good offers made for Worpel. He is playing some v good footy but he is replaceable. We have the talent.

Needs to be a 1st rounder, ideally top 10 in my books. Cats have only 1st round this yr. The others that may be interested are the Saints & may be the Dogs too.

I suggest we still re-sign Worpel for 2 yrs to take him to FA status in 2025. He was drafted pick 45 in 2017.

 

[rye]

Worps is playing a strong part in a well function midfield group.

Off all the names in the midfield, he is the one we can afford to lose and still have cover. I think, Hawks will listen to good offers made for Worpel. He is playing some v good footy but he is replaceable. We have the talent.

Needs to be a 1st rounder, ideally top 10 in my books. Cats have only 1st round this yr. The others that may be interested are the Saints & may be the Dogs too.

I suggest we still re-sign Worpel for 2 yrs to take him to FA status in 2025. He was drafted pick 45 in 2017.

nobody is offering a top 10 pick for worpel

 

[Bradkli]

Worps is playing a strong part in a well function midfield group.

Off all the names in the midfield, he is the one we can afford to lose and still have cover. I think, Hawks will listen to good offers made for Worpel. He is playing some v good footy but he is replaceable. We have the talent.

Needs to be a 1st rounder, ideally top 10 in my books. Cats have only 1st round this yr. The others that may be interested are the Saints & may be the Dogs too.

I suggest we still re-sign Worpel for 2 yrs to take him to FA status in 2025. He was drafted pick 45 in 2017.

Top 10 pick??? Cmon man..he wouldn’t be getting a game at most of the top sides. If we got pick 30 that would be a great return.

If Worpel was traded or got injured and missed a string of games, like you said, he’s easily replaced. If the likes of Ward, Mackenzie, Macdonald, Hustwaite & even Ned Long are part of our future, Worpel will need to make way.

 

[HeHateMe]

Top 10 pick??? Cmon man..he wouldn’t be getting a game at most of the top sides. If we got pick 30 that would be a great return.

If Worpel was traded or got injured and missed a string of games, like you said, he’s easily replaced. If the likes of Ward, Mackenzie, Macdonald, Hustwaite & even Ned Long are part of our future, Worpel will need to make way.

Value aside, pretty sure he would get a game.

14th for Contested Possessions
8th for Clearance
2nd for Centre Clearance
13th for Stoppage Clearance

As an inside bull he is doing his job, not sure what value you'd put on him though. Is about to enter his prime.

 

[hawkinoz]

Top 10 pick??? Cmon man..he wouldn’t be getting a game at most of the top sides. If we got pick 30 that would be a great return.

If Worpel was traded or got injured and missed a string of games, like you said, he’s easily replaced. If the likes of Ward, Mackenzie, Macdonald, Hustwaite & even Ned Long are part of our future, Worpel will need to make way.

That should be our starting point in any chat. We saw the Josh Dunkley trade last yr. Took the below from Zerohanger

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The Lions have sent Pick 21, their future first-round pick, their future second-round pick and a future fourth (tied to Geelong) while the Lions also get a future third-round and fourth-round (tied to Melbourne).

The Bulldogs' initial demands for Dunkley were priced at two first-round selections, a request matching that when negotiations were underway with Essendon in 2020.
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Lets compare them, Worps is 2 yrs younger and 5 cms shorter, as B&F winner and entering his prime. He will get a game at many clubs.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Value aside, pretty sure he would get a game.

14th for Contested Possessions
8th for Clearance
2nd for Centre Clearance
13th for Stoppage Clearance

As an inside bull he is doing his job, not sure what value you'd put on him though. Is about to enter his prime.

Early 2nd round pick (at best)

Worpel is finally getting some form back after a couple of lean years.

Can't see him leaving Hawthorn though tbh.

 

[hawkinoz]

Early 2nd round pick (at best)

Worpel is finally getting some form back after a couple of lean years.

Can't see him leaving Hawthorn though tbh.

I think we will get the same when he becomes FA after we re-sign him for another 1-2 yrs and if he is valued as a avg mid. If valued as above avg, we will get band 1 compo then which should be late 1st round .

You can see the Dunkley deal above. I hope he plays atleast 10 games of the remaining 13 to hit the 100 game mark. He does that, his value would be lot higher by end of the yr. As of now he is in a group that is keeping out top pick from 2021 Ward and the guys dominating at BH like Cooper Stephens/ Ned Long etc.

 

[Caj]

The worst turnover merchant in the league, no other team is going to pursue a player with that deficiency.

Sorry Hawks supporters, you're stuck with him

 

[SSSSSS]

The worst turnover merchant in the league, no other team is going to pursue a player with that deficiency.

Sorry Hawks supporters, you're stuck with him

Ok thanks. We'll keep him. Has been pivotal at the coalface feeding Newcombe, Amon and Day.

Has been great this year. Someone on the Hawks board mentioned he should be signing on soon.

 

[HeHateMe]

Early 2nd round pick (at best)

Worpel is finally getting some form back after a couple of lean years.

Can't see him leaving Hawthorn though tbh.

That sounds fair he has his strengths and weaknesses, imo would suit the following teams.

Adelaide, Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, St.kilda, West Coast.

 

[SSSSSS]

That sounds fair he has his strengths and weaknesses, imo would suit the following teams.

Adelaide, Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, St.kilda, West Coast.

IF we were to trade (very unlikely) it would have to be for a pick that is going to realistically be before a McCabe bid.

Late 1st rounder with something coming back.

 

[Jeremias]

That sounds fair he has his strengths and weaknesses, imo would suit the following teams.

Adelaide, Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, St.kilda, West Coast.

Carlton? Definitely not.

Probably the last type of player we need at the moment.

 

[HeHateMe]

Carlton? Definitely not.

Probably the last type of player we need at the moment.

Well what I was thinking was, he would be perfect to cover for Cripps so you can nurse him through the season and have him firing for finals, Dusty style. You might see more pressing list needs which I can't argue with but he would absolutely suit the blues right now if he were to line up this week.

Carlton are at the list stage where they need to fire in the next 5 years and Worps is in the correct age to complement that. If you were to go for another inside bull Worps would be the right option but you would know Carltons list better than I would.

 

[Loose at HB]

Well what I was thinking was, he would be perfect to cover for Cripps so you can nurse him through the season and have him firing for finals, Dusty style. You might see more pressing list needs which I can't argue with but he would absolutely suit the blues right now if he were to line up this week.

Carlton are at the list stage where they need to fire in the next 5 years and Worps is in the correct age to complement that. If you were to go for another inside bull Worps would be the right option but you would know Carltons list better than I would.

He’s a one paced inside midfielder with ordinary disposal by foot who isn’t capable of playing any other role.

He’s the exact profile of player we have too many of - Cripps/Kennedy/Hewett all fit this description. Walsh and Cerra aren’t quick either but are better users and clearly better players than Worpel.

With all due respect I don’t even think he’d get a game for us - not because we’re good (we’re awful) but because we absolutely don’t need his type at all

 

[HeHateMe]

He’s a one paced inside midfielder with ordinary disposal by foot who isn’t capable of playing any other role.

He’s the exact profile of player we have too many of - Cripps/Kennedy/Hewett all fit this description. Walsh and Cerra aren’t quick either but are better users and clearly better players than Worpel.

With all due respect I don’t even think he’d get a game for us - not because we’re good (we’re awful) but because we absolutely don’t need his type at all

Fair enough, I did completely forgot about Kennedy.

 

[WilloTree]

Kind of player that if he really wanted to leave would find a home without too much fuss.

Talk of a top 10 pick is ridiculous.

 

[Kuuz]

I love Worps and he is doing exactly what our side needs at the minute.

That being said, no way would we get a top 10 pick for him.

The two main areas that Dunkley does well in comparison, is Worps has poor disposal by foot (kicks too often without contemplating options - partly owing to being at the coalface) and his lack of utility. He really only plays one role well, whereas Dunk was prized as he could play in the middle, outside and at half forward - with really good forward pressure.

I expect he will sign on with us and will be a good complement to the rest of our mids coming through - no one can squeeze him out at the minute as his extraction is the best in the team. Allows the likes of Jai and Day to play more outside/burst from stoppage, which helps the side more.

If he were to go - a 2nd round pick would feel about right, but could easily see him getting nabbed for less too. Depends on how desperate this hypothetical club was for a midfield clearance winner was

Very happy for him to stay at the Hawks

EDIT: Only side who I could see making a play for him at this stage would be Geelong, seeing as he was a Geelong boy. But I feel he is like-for-like with many on their list, so not likely even still, despite their current woes. Curious though what Geelong supporters feel they need in their midfield over next few years.

 

[hawkinoz]

I love Worps and he is doing exactly what our side needs at the minute.

That being said, no way would we get a top 10 pick for him.

The two main areas that Dunkley does well in comparison, is Worps has poor disposal by foot (kicks too often without contemplating options - partly owing to being at the coalface) and his lack of utility. He really only plays one role well, whereas Dunk was prized as he could play in the middle, outside and at half forward - with really good forward pressure.

I expect he will sign on with us and will be a good complement to the rest of our mids coming through - no one can squeeze him out at the minute as his extraction is the best in the team. Allows the likes of Jai and Day to play more outside/burst from stoppage, which helps the side more.

If he were to go - a 2nd round pick would feel about right, but could easily see him getting nabbed for less too. Depends on how desperate this hypothetical club was for a midfield clearance winner was

Very happy for him to stay at the Hawks

EDIT: Only side who I could see making a play for him at this stage would be Geelong, seeing as he was a Geelong boy. But I feel he is like-for-like with many on their list, so not likely even still, despite their current woes. Curious though what Geelong supporters feel they need in their midfield over next few years.

Dunkley got traded for effectively 21, F1 + F2. Surely from that view Worps is worth atleast 21 + F2 or just F1

There is still water to flow and we can see worps has improved his kicking and if he keeps the trajectory going and posts elite scores and tops in key metrics, I am sure the deal will be closer to Dunkley's given he is 2 yrs younger.

if a team wants to nab him via trade, this is the chance else is will be via FA only.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

The worst turnover merchant in the league, no other team is going to pursue a player with that deficiency.

Sorry Hawks supporters, you're stuck with him

He isn't, nice attempt though

Warner is equal 4th in the comp, where Worpel is third, don't go throwing stones Champ

 

[Caj]

He isn't, nice attempt though

Warner is equal 4th in the comp, where Worpel is third, don't go throwing stones Champ

3rr in the comp, so you do admit he is a turnover merchant then?

Are you seriously suggesting Worpel is anywhere near the player Warner is?

 

[FB19]

Sorry but the comparison to Dunkley is simplistic and highlights the deficiencies of pure data analysis. Dunkley was exactly what lions needed and everyone knew it so his trade value was heightened. He also can play multiple roles - ball winner, defensive stopper (I think they call it cooler go watch the job he did on Cripps earlier this year whilst getting around 30 himself) and forward. He contributes whilst simultaneously making life easier fit his fellow mids. Worpel is one dimensional see ball get ball kick ball without precision, albeit he does that very well again. On current form he’s a second round pick to a side weak in clearances that’s it.