January 26th 2025

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invasion is how we came to be as a nation and although no one likes to hear it - genocide. Kinda makes celebration a bit awkward dont you think? celebration is hardly essential especially if it distresses people and we collectively choose to NGAF about that.
So the alternative is we end up being sad about who we are and not celebrate what we’ve become. What a miserable outlook.
 

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As stated 100 times on this thread any acknowledgement of becoming this country will be clouded with “invasion” . There will never ever be a date that will suffice.
To some, but not to others. You seem to believe everyone who doesn't celebrate Australia Day has the same stance on that. If so, you are very mistaken.

Hence the reason the “change the date” brigade can’t come up with an alternative
They've come up with many alternatives.
 
As stated 100 times on this thread any acknowledgement of becoming this country will be clouded with “invasion” . There will never ever be a date that will suffice. Hence the reason the “change the date” brigade can’t come up with an alternative
If you mean that changing the date of Australia Day won’t suddenly erode all the social disadvantage that many Aboriginal Australians continue to face, or achieve Reconciliation, you’re absolutely right. As a country we still have a long path to follow.

That doesn’t mean we can’t, or shouldn’t, change the date anyway. It will have no effect on the former but might be just a small - but necessary - step towards the latter.
 
If you mean that changing the date of Australia Day won’t suddenly erode all the social disadvantage that many Aboriginal Australians continue to face, or achieve Reconciliation, you’re absolutely right. As a country we still have a long path to follow.

That doesn’t mean we can’t, or shouldn’t, change the date anyway. It will have no effect on the former but might be just a small - but necessary - step towards the latter.
Then we start the change the date process all over again
 
invasion is how we came to be as a nation and although no one likes to hear it - genocide. Kinda makes celebration a bit awkward dont you think? celebration is hardly essential especially if it distresses people and we collectively choose to NGAF about that.
So forever after we can't be proud of Australia on any day because it only stands for invasion, colonisation, genocide and oppression?
 
So forever after we can't be proud of Australia on any day because it only stands for invasion, colonisation, genocide and oppression?
why do you need a day to be proud of Australia? maybe think about prorities. I’d rather see the country face up to the truth of its origins they get myself all cut up about a ****ing day
 
So forever after we can't be proud of Australia on any day because it only stands for invasion, colonisation, genocide and oppression?
not necessarily but would be better than pretending that invasion, genocide and oppression never happened which is what millions of us are trying to do now. Its tricky that stuff isnt it? You can’t just wish it away. And if you think it happened but doesn’t matter and shouldn’t spoil your Aussie day circle jerk then people might think youre a bit of a campaigner? What a dilemma eh? So here’s a solution lets just pile on the people who say they are offended. Just like we’ve done since the first invasion day.
 

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As stated 100 times on this thread any acknowledgement of becoming this country will be clouded with “invasion” . There will never ever be a date that will suffice. Hence the reason the “change the date” brigade can’t come up with an alternative
why'd you put “invasion” in quotes.
 
So the alternative is we end up being sad about who we are and not celebrate what we’ve become. What a miserable outlook.
Reading this thread and after the Voice referendum , I’m not exactly sure why we’d celebrate what we’ve become. A country of people who are outraged that the original inhabitants would dare to ask them to face up to the truth of the country’s origins. And tell anyone who doesn’t want to live in the same denial to **** off and leave. Plenty to be proud of in this country. More than many others. So lets get the treaty sorted out and get on with it instead of pretending we dont need one. We are one of the few colonised countries who are holding out on treaty and I doubt none could be doing it more vehemently than us. Time to face the truth.
 
There's a crisis in recruitment for the ADF. What's needed are not people looking to build a career, but people who are willing to make sacrifices in service of their country. But if they are constantly told their country is something to be ashamed of, why should they want to defend it? That's why Australia Day is important as a symbol, because it does spark a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves.
 
There's a crisis in recruitment for the ADF. What's needed are not people looking to build a career, but people who are willing to make sacrifices in service of their country. But if they are constantly told their country is something to be ashamed of, why should they want to defend it? That's why Australia Day is important as a symbol, because it does spark a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves.
There's more to do with it being seen as a shit career with bugger all support once you leave. Nothing to do with the 26th.
 
There's a crisis in recruitment for the ADF. What's needed are not people looking to build a career, but people who are willing to make sacrifices in service of their country. But if they are constantly told their country is something to be ashamed of, why should they want to defend it? That's why Australia Day is important as a symbol, because it does spark a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves.
you honestly believe that crap? It disgusts a good proportion of the country who see it as little more than Bogan Bigot Day. That aint gonna change no matter how many little flags you stick on your utes.
 
There's a crisis in recruitment for the ADF. What's needed are not people looking to build a career, but people who are willing to make sacrifices in service of their country. But if they are constantly told their country is something to be ashamed of, why should they want to defend it? That's why Australia Day is important as a symbol, because it does spark a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves.

It’s the pay and conditions. Next
 
you honestly believe that crap? It disgusts a good proportion of the country who see it as little more than Bogan Bigot Day. That aint gonna change no matter how many little flags you stick on your utes.
So you won't be defending the country in an emergency? What will you be doing?

It actually doesn't disgust "a good proportion of the country".
 
The point is to have an Australia Day which represents the good things about Australia. And the invasion/First Fleet was not a good thing.

People have proposed all sorts of other dates.

Perhaps until a treaty is signed, there can't really be enough to celebrate for everyone. It's still an occupation. ATSI people have never ceded their territory under any treaty or agreement.
 
The point is to have an Australia Day which represents the good things about Australia. And the invasion/First Fleet was not a good thing.

People have proposed all sorts of other dates.

Perhaps until a treaty is signed, there can't really be enough to celebrate for everyone. It's still an occupation. ATSI people have never ceded their territory under any treaty or agreement.

Actually it was a good thing, it was the start of the nation which became Australia….
 

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