January 26th 2025

[CM86]

Except the temperature this year is raised to boiling. Multiple “causes” will be represented. When will they wake up to the fact that disrupting the city achieves nothing?

It’s performative mischief-making for the vast majority of the participants, they are entertaining themselves for a free day out.

I question how effective the invasion day protests actually have been. It's clear that it has not swayed the stance of the major parties and public opinion is in the majority for not changing the date.

What do you two suggest should be done, to have a positive impact?

 

[spinynorman]

I question how effective the invasion day protests actually have been. It's clear that it has not swayed the stance of the major parties and public opinion is in the majority for not changing the date.

Polls indicate the tide was turning (and has for people aged under 45 - a cohort who doesn't seem to be becoming more conservative as they age in the numbers previous generations have), but I think probably similar to the Voice Referendum the reversion towards the status quo has to do with other issues becoming more prominent in people's minds (a view of "I'm struggling to make ends meet and you're asking me about when a public holiday should be?"). It's difficult to prosecute arguments for social change that are perceived as issues for minorities when not addressing people's material conditions.

That said, if there is to be a nationalist public holiday, then it's patently absurd to have it on a date that, at a bare minimum, 30% of the population don't believe is appropriate to celebrate. Dutton can claim legislating for it will make it unitary but that's fundamentally not the case, and it won't be the case until it's changed.

That said, a struggle for the "Change the Date" campaign is that there's no clear proposed date to change it to as an alternative, and so it becomes vague. To some extent that speaks to Australia's lack of maturation as a state - similar to our military holiday being a commemoration of us invading another country, which is pretty unusual in military days of commemoration around the world.

 

[swingdog]

It's more about the tune. You need something uplifting. The lyrics can be generic national anthem nonsense about the homeland, uniting against a foreign foe, some event in history.

Brazil is not bad.



And Italy.

Not bad, but they both take too long to get into the singing.

France:

La Marseillaise was originally written as a battle song by revolutionaries from Marseilles maching on Paris. Was deliverately written to scare counter-revolutionaries.

Scotland:

A selective choice on my part - this was ahead of a Grand Slam decider against the favourites, England. Will Carling, the England captain, said later he knew they were in trouble when they heard the anthem.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Were a bloody monarchy, if we truly are Australian and our own identity become a republic and be done with it. These conservative clowns want people to disregard any of that because " Straya Day mate". Most countries would think it's strange were celebrating being owned by the Brits like it's a badge of honour if they delved into the history of it all.

We had a referendum on a republic. It lost.
I doubt any other countries could care less about our National Day.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

We had a referendum on a republic. It lost.
I doubt any other countries could care less about our National Day.

We don't really have our own identity though do we that's the point. We live under the Union Jack flag. What are we celebrating people can't really answer that without throwing in cliches and misinformed opinions.

 

[Goroyals22]

I question how effective the invasion day protests actually have been. It's clear that it has not swayed the stance of the major parties and public opinion is in the majority for not changing the date.

It gives the rent a crowd something to do, hopefully get themselves on tv and hear Lidia Thorpe talk gibberish into a microphone about some war she wants and stuff that will never happen.

There’s better ways to spend a day but hey each to their own.


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[South of the Yarra]

It gives the rent a crowd something to do, hopefully get themselves on tv and hear Lidia Thorpe talk gibberish into a microphone about some war she wants and stuff that will never happen.

There’s better ways to spend a day but hey each to their own.


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Such a typical ill informed response.

 

[Goroyals22]

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Such a typical ill informed response.

Rubbish,
You want to be sad and mourn and look back , others want to be happy and celebrate what’s good about country ..

That’s the great part of Australia you can do either


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[JackOutback]

All this Pearl clutching over a protest. Imagine you took the same approach to Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr or Nelson Mandela and ask yourself if you would have been on the right side of history.

 

[Frank Bunn]

All this Pearl clutching over a protest. Imagine you took the same approach to Mahatma Ghanaian, Martin Luther King Jr or Nelson Mandela and ask yourself if you would have been on the right side of history.

Who?

 

[MPMonkeys]

We don't really have our own identity though do we that's the point. We live under the Union Jack flag. What are we celebrating people can't really answer that without throwing in cliches and misinformed opinions.

We are celebrating our National Day just like almost every other country in the world celebrates their own National day.
Unfortunately you donl't like that answer so you label it as 'cliche' or 'mis-informed'.

There is no answer that would satisfy you and if you're expecting a thesis or a 10000 word essay on what the National Day is then you will be disappointed.

 

[Skeppersap]

I don't think you're stupid because you're racist.

You're racist because you're stupid.
But you're also actively refusing to learn.

The desperation for ignorance, because you're so insecure with who you are in your life.
Your achievements have to come from celebrating other people's achievements.
Your feeling of success coming from feeling genetically superior to other races.



Point to a single time in my entire posting history on this forum, where I have ever called someone racist just because they have a differing opinion.
I call you racist, because you genuinely believe that Aboriginal people have disparate outcomes in Australia, because of their race.




You're not in here, posting "HI GANG", because you just genuinely want to share positive experiences.
It's like jumping into an opposing teams board to talk about going for a jog, while they're discussing one of their players tearing a hamstring.
You're doing it in spite.

Ha.... Pointing out phone autocorrects as evidence of someone being stupid..... Astounding intellect from yourself!!!

You seem to know a lot about me.... What my life achievements are, where my feelings of success come from!!!

You appear to be quite an unhinged person.

 

[Goroyals22]

Polls indicate the tide was turning (and has for people aged under 45 - a cohort who doesn't seem to be becoming more conservative as they age in the numbers previous generations have), but I think probably similar to the Voice Referendum the reversion towards the status quo has to do with other issues becoming more prominent in people's minds (a view of "I'm struggling to make ends meet and you're asking me about when a public holiday should be?"). It's difficult to prosecute arguments for social change that are perceived as issues for minorities when not addressing people's material conditions.

That said, if there is to be a nationalist public holiday, then it's patently absurd to have it on a date that, at a bare minimum, 30% of the population don't believe is appropriate to celebrate. Dutton can claim legislating for it will make it unitary but that's fundamentally not the case, and it won't be the case until it's changed.

That said, a struggle for the "Change the Date" campaign is that there's no clear proposed date to change it to as an alternative, and so it becomes vague. To some extent that speaks to Australia's lack of maturation as a state - similar to our military holiday being a commemoration of us invading another country, which is pretty unusual in military days of commemoration around the world.

Even labour voters believe more in legislating
the day than not according to this poll.

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[Demons09]

All this Pearl clutching over a protest. Imagine you took the same approach to Mahatma Ghanaian, Martin Luther King Jr or Nelson Mandela and ask yourself if you would have been on the right side of history.

Yeah you’re right i’m quite comfortable these activists won’t make one iota of difference besides making twats of the themselves.

 

[Skeppersap]

All this Pearl clutching over a protest. Imagine you took the same approach to Mahatma Ghanaian, Martin Luther King Jr or Nelson Mandela and ask yourself if you would have been on the right side of history.

If I was doing a CM86, I would highlight this autocorrect as evidence that you are stupid.

I just think it is a slightly amusing autocorrect...

 

[CM86]

Ha.... Pointing out phone autocorrects as evidence of someone being stupid..... Astounding intellect from yourself!!!

You seem to know a lot about me.... What my life achievements are, where my feelings of success come from!!!

You appear to be quite an unhinged person.

If I was doing a CM86, I would highlight this autocorrect as evidence that you are stupid.

I just think it is a slightly amusing autocorrect...

I didn't say spelling was what evidenced your stupidity.

I don't think you're stupid because you're racist.

You're racist because you're stupid.

It's things like this, that evidence your stupidity.

 

[Boxo004]

Even labour voters believe more in legislating
the day than not according to this poll.

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In b4 Murdoch poll so doesn’t count rhetoric

 

[Frank Bunn]

Not bad, but they both take too long to get into the singing.

France:

La Marseillaise was originally written as a battle song by revolutionaries from Marseilles maching on Paris. Was deliverately written to scare counter-revolutionaries.

Scotland:

A selective choice on my part - this was ahead of a Grand Slam decider against the favourites, England. Will Carling, the England captain, said later he knew they were in trouble when they heard the anthem.

Flower of Scotland is powerful but it loses its impact if they are not playing England.

My favourite rendition of La Marseillaise.

 

[Vindicater]

Even labour voters believe more in legislating
the day than not according to this poll.

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Isn't it already legislated? I mean it is a national public holiday which must mean the date is set in law somewhere already?

 

[Boxo004]

Ha.... Pointing out phone autocorrects as evidence of someone being stupid..... Astounding intellect from yourself!!!

You seem to know a lot about me.... What my life achievements are, where my feelings of success come from!!!

You appear to be quite an unhinged person.

Ask him the difference between hail and hale

 

[CM86]

Ask him the difference between hail and hale

I misspelt it in a different thread.

It wasn't a phone auto correct.

I often confuse the spelling for hail and hale.

 

[JackOutback]

I misspelt it in a different thread.

It wasn't a phone auto correct.

I often confuse the spelling for hail and hale.

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Sadly, too many cases of heil are not misspellings these days.

 

[Skeppersap]

I didn't say spelling was what evidenced your stupidity.




It's things like this, that evidence your stupidity.

People can simply go back to post 995 and infer your intentions for themselves. You quoted my post, bolded the autocorrects, and started discussing that you thought I was stupid. Why else would you bold the autocorrects, if not that you thought it was evidence to support your assertion?

This from someone who does not know the difference between hail and hale....... Good Lord!

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

We are celebrating our National Day just like almost every other country in the world celebrates their own National day.
Unfortunately you donl't like that answer so you label it as 'cliche' or 'mis-informed'.

There is no answer that would satisfy you and if you're expecting a thesis or a 10000 word essay on what the National Day is then you will be disappointed.

Just let that one through to the keeper I see. And we're not celebrating our National Day like any other country which is exactly what misinformed means.

 

[Boxo004]

I misspelt it in a different thread.

It wasn't a phone auto correct.

I often confuse the spelling for hail and hale.

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Good now you can stop your sanctimonious crap.