January 26th 2025

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Demons09 said:
He’s deluded as are the rest of the activists whilst the majority of Australians are enjoying the day these twats will be portrayed in the media tonight as the absolute losers they are pretending to give a shit about the indigenous people.
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He’s deluded as are the rest of the loud mouthed minority activists.
 
Gough said:
You could call it the Australian paradox, on January 26 we're told to move on and not dwell on the past yet a couple of months later on ANZAC Day we're solemnly instructed to never forget. It must be a touch confusing to newcomers.
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A rememberence of sacrifice for those served and those who still do including... wait for it INDIGENOUS soldiers.

Jan 26th no Indigenous died on this day, in fact the first deaths were 2 white convicts working the land speared by the local tribe.

Do we say sorry we stole you from your homelands, families and forced you into working a harsh dry foreign often rocky country side only for you to survive scurvey and a long boat trip in piss and ahit to then be speared to death?

Paradox indeed.

Indigenous have plenty of days of mourning to choose from as well as to celebrate :

13 February – Anniversary of National Apology Day​

On 13 February 2008, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered the National Apology to Australia's Aboriginal peoples and Torres Strait Islander peoples for the injustices of past government policies, particularly to the Stolen Generations.

20 March – National Close the Gap Day​

National Close the Gap Day, observed on the third Thursday in March, raises awareness and seeks to close the gap with respect to life expectancy, child mortality, educational and employment outcomes between Aboriginal peoples and Torres Strait Islander peoples, and non-Indigenous Australians.

26 May – National Sorry Day​

National Sorry Day provides an opportunity for people to come together and share the journey towards healing for the Stolen Generations, their families and communities.

27 May – 1967 Referendum​

The 1967 Referendum was a landmark achievement following decades of activism by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and non-Indigenous people, where more than 90 percent of Australians voted in favour of amending two sections of the Australian Constitution.

27 May to 3 June – National Reconciliation Week​

National Reconciliation Week celebrations commemorate two significant milestones in the reconciliation journey-the anniversaries of the successful 1967 Referendum and the High Court Mabo Decision.

3 June – Mabo Day
On 3 June 1992, the High Court of Australia overturned the principle of "terra nullius" or "nobody's land" as claimed by the British when they first arrived in this country. The decision has paved the way for Native Title legislation.

1 July – Coming of the Light
The Coming of the Light is celebrated annually by Torres Strait Islander peoples. It marks the adoption of Christianity through island communities during the late nineteenth century.

7 July to 14 July – NAIDOC Week
NAIDOC Week celebrations are held across Australia to celebrate history, culture and achievements of Aboriginal peoples and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

4 August – National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children's Day
National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children's Day is an opportunity for all Australians to learn about the crucial impact that community, culture and family play in the life of every Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander child.

9 August – International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples
On this day, people from around the world are encouraged to spread the United Nation's message on the protection and promotion of the rights of Indigenous peoples.

4 September – Indigenous Literacy Day
Indigenous Literacy Day is a national celebration of culture, stories, language and literacy. This day raises awareness of the disadvantages experienced in remote communities and advocates for more access to literacy resources.

13 September – Anniversary of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People
The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was adopted by the General Assembly on Thursday, 13 September 2007.
 
Cmarsh said:
And how are any of those dates signficant and worthy of a national day?
Tip: You are not trying to find a date for just an alternate public holiday with no national meaning attached to it, as so many make the mistake of doing.
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The date doesn’t have to relate to a significant occasion it would become significant as a day to celebrate our country. I don’t think it should be chosen for public holiday reasons either (especially being self employed most of my life) but there’s the aspect of whether people are going to buy it
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Yeah of course, by any measures of standard of life the indigenous population is hugely disadvantaged, but let’s just wave it all away as “victim mentality”.

(And you people actually WANT others to celebrate Australia Day with you? LOL.)
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Oh so the problem is being disadvantaged now is it

I couldn’t care less if self loathers don’t get involved
 
Doc1763 said:
I've got a million of them. Keep posting tripe, I'll eventually trot them all out for you.
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How about pulling out one of your funny ones then . Been very underwhelming so far.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Yeah of course, by any measures of standard of life the indigenous population is hugely disadvantaged, but let’s just wave it all away as “victim mentality”.

(And you people actually WANT others to celebrate Australia Day with you? LOL.
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Changing the number on a calender won't do anything to help indigenous Australians struggling out in the real world.

But I don't think that is actually much of a concern from the religious woke.
 
Fossie 32 said:
The date doesn’t have to relate to a significant occasion it would become significant as a day to celebrate our country. I don’t think it should be chosen for public holiday reasons either (especially being self employed most of my life) but there’s the aspect of whether people are going to buy it
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There is no way the public would be convinced a day would somehow become significant over time with no particular reason or meaning behind it. Fantasy stuff.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
More cluelessness from you.

People passionately believe in more than one cause you know. We lefties pride ourselves on our ability to hold more than one thought in our heads at a time.

But nah, “professional protesters” (somehow managing to jet around the country on the below-the-poverty-line welfare levels)

And the thing you can never grasp is that some of it is actually coming from a deep pride in our country, and a genuine desire to make it a better place for all.

That modest level of complexity sends you into a tailspin and you fall back on exhorting everyone to show pride in the country, but only if it’s how you do.
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There is a very wealthy leftist nutter in Sydney who pays people to go protest, he paid the Adani protesters a wage and bought a farm for them to stay on.
Won't mention the shit that went on allegedly there.

Left usually try to shut down discourse and dissenting views regardless how minor. Leftist are intolerant to people who aren't all the way in 100%.

They live in echo chamber on social media and try tactics to shut people down and silence them by either heavy handed moderators or trying the old heavily weighted shame tactics of Racists, Homophobic, Nazis, etc..

Most people straddle the fence of left and right ideals myself included i think both sides of the fence have valid ideas, concerns and should be heard.
 

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SBD Gonzalez said:
And the rest of my post, about real, meaningful measures, as opposed to words?

(Are you going to engage in good faith? If not, just say the word and I’m happy to put you on ignore.)
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That is what Jacinta Price is being appointed to fix the annual 34 Billion plus drain that goes to Indigenous programs to make sure it starts going to the right areas.

Also on your stats you really need to separate Indigenous populations, as you are referencing stats scewed by remote indigenous and even ones living tribal to their own devices in NT.

Indigenous populations in big towns and small/large city's aren't having the same numbers.

You also neglect poverty and abuse cycles aren't just effecting them it also effects every demographic including whites without half the services available to indigenous or quotas for jobs and scholarship programs to help break the cycle.
 
loki04 said:
There is a very wealthy leftist nutter in Sydney who pays people to go protest, he paid the Adani protesters a wage and bought a farm for them to stay on.
Won't mention the shit that went on allegedly there.

Left usually try to shut down discourse and dissenting views regardless how minor. Leftist are intolerant to people who aren't all the way in 100%.

They live in echo chamber on social media and try tactics to shut people down and silence them by either heavy handed moderators or trying the old heavily weighted shame tactics of Racists, Homophobic, Nazis, etc..

Most people straddle the fence of left and right ideals myself included i think both sides of the fence have valid ideas, concerns and should be heard.
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but according to the loons protesting today, if you're not with them, you're a fascist. even if you're just going to the tennis you're a fascist - there is no negotiating with these ultra left wing w***ers. Its their way, or you're a fascist.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Regardless of what the perception of the number of nations is, the point is that the impact of colonialism and the brutal frontier invasion is felt by every indigenous Australian in varying degrees.
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The impact of the First Fleet landing on Jan 26 was not relevant to the vast majority of the tribes across a huge landmass.

'brutal frontier invasion' is mischaracterisation. There were some peaceful interactions and some violent.

In 1788 Australia was under English law. The colonisation was deemed to be 'settled not invaded'. In 1992, the Australian High Court confirmed this under the Mabo decision.
 
schneebly111 said:
It’s what they feel they have to do to “fit in” and appease bogans. I know this because non white migrants have told me directly.
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Pretty reductionist to talk about ‘non white migrants’ as some single homogeneous group, all with the same opinion. They’re a lot more diverse than you may realise, whether originally Sudanese, Vietnamese, Colombian…you name it. And there’s a great diversity of thought and experience within those groups, as you would expect they are collections of individuals with, for the most part, agency.

It’s like some other post where some guy was talking about people from the bush in cartoonish terms as all being rednecks and racists, while seemingly unaware of the high levels of indigenous heritage in populations outside cities and enormous migrant success stories in regional Australia. Off the top of my head in Victoria alone think of the Karen refugee community in Nhill or thriving migrant communities in Shepparton.

This blanket assertion that they’re ‘appeasing bogans’ is also very odd. Especially, as many migrants have fought hard to come from countries with little political freedom or economic opportunity - maybe some are trying to ‘appease bogans’, many I’d suggest are genuine in wanting to celebrate Australia, and many are secure in themselves and don’t care what others think. In fact the social cost of not ‘appeasing bogans’ for many would be laughable compared to the considerable risks they or their families have already taken to come here - seems like a really weird motivation.

Dai Le, for example, who represents one of Australia’s most multicultural electorates, knows a thing or two about the migrant experience and one of her constant themes is how many migrants are genuinely proud to be Australian and to display that. ‘Appeasing bogans’ as far as I can tell, doesn’t seem to be a motivation for her in doing that and if you told her that it was I don’t reckon she’d appreciate being reduced and patronised in that way.

For what it’s worth I reckon we should change the date to something more representative of what many consider the 3 key elements of Australian history: our indigenous heritage, British settlement and all the pros and cons that go with that, and the multicultural migrant experience. FWIW I’d change the flag too. All that said, any such changes would require compromise (i.e. all sides would need to give a little) on a scale that seems beyond us as a society. The obvious solution for me has always been change to a republic, then change the date to whenever the republic begins. But we tried to go down that road a generation ago, the referendum was crushed and we all know the republic’s a busted flush for the foreseeable future.

So in the absence of that I think it’s just fine to celebrate or commiserate the day and the flag as you see fit. There’s much to be happy about and many sobering things in our history to reflect upon.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Regardless of what the perception of the number of nations is, the point is that the impact of colonialism and the brutal frontier invasion is felt by every indigenous Australian in varying degrees.
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Including positive ones. Not everything came out worse off.

If they are mixed they literally would not exist had it not happened.
What do they do? hate half themselves?
 
Barrybran said:
For all the debate around today, it is pretty cool seeing people decked out at the beach, cricket and, back in the day, Big Day Out.
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Except - there’s no cricket today

No one gets decked out in flag gear at the beach anymore


And the 2006 BDO (right after Cronulla) became a nationalist hate fest when this happened:

"People I know were in the audience last year and witnessed people basically being made to kiss the Australian flag, and if they didn't they would get their head beaten in
www.theage.com.au

Rock band admits to jitters about Big Day Out flag-waving

www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
41% of all Australians and 53% of Australians between 18 and 34 (you know - the generation that’s about to start calling the shots) is a significant minority. Dismissiveness may bite you on the bum.
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Where was the poll taken what numbers. Imo most polls are bullshit and usually wide of the mark.

The polls had trump not winning.

Polls had the voice as preferential.

It is often too focused in certain demographics or population clusters.

Many don't vote or even see it ro begin with.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
If you can’t make the connection between dispossession and disadvantage that is your problem.
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Plenty out there doing well as well.

I know quite a few I've worked with who hate the victim mentality and worked hard and are now in a great position in life.

Your generalising a whole race which is kinda ironic from a woke lefty.
 

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