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TeeKray said:
Collective Minds are a bunch of self important whack jobs that come up with nonsense like the power stance.

The SAS guys are specialists trained in discipline and performing under the highest of pressure, way higher than anything you'll encounter on a football field.

There is a world of difference.
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I’ve seen about 5 mins of that SAS guy. He’s the epitome of a self important whack job.
 
TeeKray said:
Collective Minds are a bunch of self important whack jobs that come up with nonsense like the power stance.

The SAS guys are specialists trained in discipline and performing under the highest of pressure, way higher than anything you'll encounter on a football field.

There is a world of difference.
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The Brereton Report suggests that discipline doesn't extend to all areas of their work or lives.
 

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Not sure how serious REH and others are about hiring SAS-type people in an AFL club. Some bagging of it and of Ant Middleton by quite a few. He looks a prick on TV, but that's how they all do it. Having had a close family member go through similar training many years back, he came out a totally different person.

The principle is to break down the individual, and then to rebuild them into a new person, one that is totally aligned with the goals and philosophy of the group. So forgetting the SAS crap, this is exactly what some of our players actually need. Egos, personal ambitions, poor attitudes, all need to be removed, and replaced with the club and team ambitions, and the Port Adelaide ethos/creed.

Its all very well reading it to them, and telling them about it, it's another thing driving them to embrace it, live it, to become it. I dont think the Ant Middleton style is the exact way to go, but IMO, the principle of it is absolutely needed at Port.
 
Tibbs said:
Not sure how serious REH and others are about hiring SAS-type people in an AFL club. Some bagging of it and of Ant Middleton by quite a few. He looks a prick on TV, but that's how they all do it. Having had a close family member go through similar training many years back, he came out a totally different person.

The principle is to break down the individual, and then to rebuild them into a new person, one that is totally aligned with the goals and philosophy of the group. So forgetting the SAS crap, this is exactly what some of our players actually need. Egos, personal ambitions, poor attitudes, all need to be removed, and replaced with the club and team ambitions, and the Port Adelaide ethos/creed.

Its all very well reading it to them, and telling them about it, it's another thing driving them to embrace it, live it, to become it. I dont think the Ant Middleton style is the exact way to go, but IMO, the principle of it is absolutely needed at Port.
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The big difference is most footballers would fail the real course utterly!

The challenge of 'selection' is SELECTION.

It is about passing all the requirements and there being a massive consequence for not doing so (and a huge boost if you do), many would fail the first section....what then? When it becomes a mere training exercise the pressure that makes diamonds from the process is removed.

The injury toll will also be horrific 'footy' wise.
 
Tibbs said:
Not sure how serious REH and others are about hiring SAS-type people in an AFL club. Some bagging of it and of Ant Middleton by quite a few. He looks a prick on TV, but that's how they all do it. Having had a close family member go through similar training many years back, he came out a totally different person.

The principle is to break down the individual, and then to rebuild them into a new person, one that is totally aligned with the goals and philosophy of the group. So forgetting the SAS crap, this is exactly what some of our players actually need. Egos, personal ambitions, poor attitudes, all need to be removed, and replaced with the club and team ambitions, and the Port Adelaide ethos/creed.

Its all very well reading it to them, and telling them about it, it's another thing driving them to embrace it, live it, to become it. I dont think the Ant Middleton style is the exact way to go, but IMO, the principle of it is absolutely needed at Port.
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So, like the infamous Crows camp?
 
Chrizzt said:
Then his first task would be to get rid of himself, so that wouldn't be a great appointment.
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"I'm here!!"

"My first task...I'm fired!!"

"Goodbye"
 
EskimoPAFC said:
What about getting in Vulcan, from Gladiators. Probably no bigger bad ass in Australian history.
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Was he the steroid Milli Vanilli?
 

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Something definately smells about shoey leaving
He only signed an extension a few weeks back. Most people are thinking he and ken disagreeing about something but surely it wouldn't be about changing line coaches.i would think if you harbor ambition to be a senior coach the more lines you coach the better?
 
bomberclifford said:
Interesting that Jenny Williams posted her thoughts on ‘suggestions on the internet’ to get SAS-like training into Port Adelaide. Reckon she might be a regular poster here.
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If you look at a lot of profs who teach organisational behaviour stuff, they have done stuff with military forces. Why? They have $$$ to provide the funding and the defence forces personnel make for great case studies. 2 profs I was taught by in post graduate studies, had worked with the US military for almost 2 decades, and to look at them, you would never pick them as military types.

Leading Teams - who just about all 18 clubs have used, was started by Ray McLean teaching leadership and teams improving their understanding of each other and performing tasks better at the RAAF at Edinburgh.

Because he had an ex Magpies player working with him, name escapes me but only played 30-40 games for Port, he was able to quickly adjust his program when Alan Stewart asked him to do stuff with Centrals for the 1995 preseason. That then led to further modifications and McLean left the RAAF and made a business out of it.
 
MrMeaner said:
The Brereton Report suggests that discipline doesn't extend to all areas of their work or lives.
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But it implicated a minority, not a majority or 100% of the SAS.
 
Chopperdave said:
Bloke has been in prison for bashing cops... Great guy top guy exactly who you want in your club.
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Better to be in prison for bashing a cop than killing yourself like too veterans do, who have no support when they leave defence forces.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
But it implicated a minority, not a majority or 100% of the SAS.
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It implicated a cultural issue.

Outside of the Brereton Report, we have SAS members wearing and waving white supremacist and National Socialist symbols. I can't comment on the merits of what's coming out of the BRS defo trial but I vaguely wave in that direction for other stuff.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Better to be in prison for bashing a cop than killing yourself like too veterans do, who have no support when they leave defence forces.
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I don't really see how that is helping your argument? I don't see how bashing a cop is ever ok in any circumstance. But his behaviour has on multiple occasions shown he is a flog of a bloke.

Veterans absolutely need more support when leaving the defence force I've had 2 friends commit suicide after leaving but that is a completely different topic?
 
MrMeaner said:
It implicated a cultural issue.

Outside of the Brereton Report, we have SAS members wearing and waving white supremacist and National Socialist symbols. I can't comment on the merits of what's coming out of the BRS defo trial but I vaguely wave in that direction for other stuff.
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Read what investigative journo's Chris Masters and Mike Willacy have written over the years as well as their books on them. They are able to separate the good from the bad. Yes the leadership let them get away with shit, but the leadership of the defence forces and politicians continually made them go back many times to Afghanistan and do the dangerous shit with no end result. It was a ****ing disastrous mission objectives and command. Some of those SAS guys need to locked up 50 years - but not all participated. And some of the top brass should be locked away for 50 years with them for turning a blind eye to keep their political masters happy. They have helped to tarnish and maybe even destroy the reputation of the SAS.
 
Chopperdave said:
I don't really see how that is helping your argument? I don't see how bashing a cop is ever ok in any circumstance. But his behaviour has on multiple occasions shown he is a flog of a bloke.

Veterans absolutely need more support when leaving the defence force I've had 2 friends commit suicide after leaving but that is a completely different topic?
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Its all tied together. If you don't get the support, you either lose it by doing the sort of extreme stuff you had to do to survive in your service, or you say its too hard and end it all. He ****ed up, he knows he ****ed up, he paid a price for it. But at least he changed and improved his lot. How he did it don't know, but he made the effort and changed.
 

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