News Jarrad Schofield departs for West Coast

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JUSTWORK said:
It’s not about giving him a free pass, it’s about recognising this has been a consistent theme for the entire time Hinkley has been senior coach.

It’s obvious the problem is bigger than the midfield coach and there’s only so much the midfield coach can do with both hands tied behind their back and a pig headed senior coach who doesn’t work well with others.

What’s Schofield, the 4th or 5th midfield coach under Hinkley and we are still plagued by the same issues.
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Our midfield coaches have been under Hinkley:
Shaun Rehn. Everyone agreed probably not elite
Phil Walsh. Left to be a head coach at AFL level
Josh Carr. Left to be a head coach at SANFL level
Michael Voss. Still there
Jarrad Schofield.

Its the midfield coach that implements the midfield strategy.


Duckimus Prime said:
I believe Schofield gets the free pass because everyone believes he's limited by Hinkley, and has to fight tooth and nail to get anything he wants over Ken. People look back at Schofield's success in the WAFL, and decide that the reason his charges are failing is because of "outside" interference. If Ken would just fu** off and leave Jarrad alone, he'd set up our midfield to be successful.

The big factor in this thinking being that Schofield's appointment to midfield coach also coincided with Travis Boak's return to the midfield.

Its just the same as when we have some good coaching occur. Its always because one of the assistants managed to yell louder than Ken, and get something done inspite of Ken's wishes.

Bad things = Ken's fault.
Good things = assistants ideas.

When the reality is, we have no idea who is the driving force behind each decision.

Also Sack Hinkley.
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Boaks return to the midfield also coincided with Rozee and Butters joining the club and finally having two talented young flankers that we could play there and develop so Boak didn't have to play out of position anymore.

I'm disappointed Schofield is leaving as I genuinely thought he'd be our next senior coach, but from an on field perspective, I just don't think he delivered. I'm not blaming him. Just don't think he improved our midfield enough.
 
jonasshirtfront said:
I think Boaky's renaissance, Amon's turn around from list clogger to first choice midfielder, and Ollie going from good to brownlow-level all happening while Schofield was here really points to his ability to get the best out of the players. Also though we know what Ken's like, we've had 9 years of the same sh*t. We all remember 2015-2019 and we don't want that to happen again.
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Yep, Karlos named Schofield coming to the club as the primary reason for his improvement.
 
The sheer fact that our midfield problems have been so consistent across those midfield coaches leads me to believe that the overriding problem is the one constant (hinkley).

I suspect our assistants have a short leash in regards to what they can do within hinkleys overall system and beliefs.
 

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Malibu#27 said:
Correct you can’t bash Ken and then let off the line coach of the line that is the biggest factor in the majority of our losses
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It's been touched on by others in other threads, but for all the plaudits CD and co. get for who they've drafted and traded in, there's been a glaring omission of getting quality inside midfielders. The last few years and pure inside midfielders we've drafted Drew and took a chance on Rockliff when he was already starting to look cooked. We've finally get some younger tall forwards on the list, after a decade of not prioritising there, but we still have overlooked tall backs and inside mid's, getting too many flankers. Sure they generally look ok and everyone goes 'Great drafting!' when they do, but similar (but to a lesser degree) to talls, you need to go for more inside mid's as you're going to get more busts then flankers will give. Like almost every area of the club, in this regard, they've lacked the courage to face the inevitable criticism for the failed one's picked, going the safe draft / trade options.

TLDR - Has Schofield being perfect? Far from it, but our list balance sucks dogs balls for inside mid's under 30.
 
finbarr said:
This whole "I cant believe what he said/did" is so played on this board.
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It's been going on longer than a Jimmy Toumpas time trial.
 
Andre said:
TLDR - Has Schofield being perfect? Far from it, but our list balance sucks dogs balls for inside mid's under 30.
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This. Fact that Boak is still one of our best shows the lack of depth. Who is really ready to cover his minutes in the mid.

Also lack of SPP as a mid option hurt us. When we went missing in finals Choco brought in Hardwicke and Choppy to help us compete when we were in the thick of it.

SPP deserved to be dropped but him not demanding his spot back cost us. He wouldn't have won it himself though and we need another hard-nosed mid.
 
Andre said:
It's been touched on by others in other threads, but for all the plaudits CD and co. get for who they've drafted and traded in, there's been a glaring omission of getting quality inside midfielders. The last few years and pure inside midfielders we've drafted Drew and took a chance on Rockliff when he was already starting to look cooked. We've finally get some younger tall forwards on the list, after a decade of not prioritising there, but we still have overlooked tall backs and inside mid's, getting too many flankers. Sure they generally look ok and everyone goes 'Great drafting!' when they do, but similar (but to a lesser degree) to talls, you need to go for more inside mid's as you're going to get more busts then flankers will give. Like almost every area of the club, in this regard, they've lacked the courage to face the inevitable criticism for the failed one's picked, going the safe draft / trade options.

TLDR - Has Schofield being perfect? Far from it, but our list balance sucks dogs balls for inside mid's under 30.
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I don’t know about that exactly. Since Parker took over in 2010.

for tall defenders / forwards we’ve drafted under parker

Jonas, clurey, Howard Austin Marshall frampton Shaw Harvey Ladhams hayes pasini Grundy lord

genuine mids

Newton, wingard, wines, spp, atley drew Patmore rozee butters duursma Bergman mead

flankers / smalls / utilities

Lienert Farrell bonner Houston Jones williams young O’Shea impey

there’s a few missing but that’s the main gist of it. We haven’t really been horribly imbalanced in our drafting but have missed getting some highly rated mids. From 2010-2015 we drafted only 2 highly rated mids. 2016 onwards we’ve drafted a lot more. That first period the drafts were picked apart by expan teams and we traded out for players.

a bit of a concern, I counted we went into drafts missing a 1st rounder 4x and a 2nd rounder 3 times. In a ten year period that’s a lot of picks that we’ve somehow given up and a lot of drafts we haven’t given ourselves a good chance in.

I think we should have gone after more genuine mids, and should have targeted more talls. And especially key defenders with late picks roomie where they are commonly found…. But we’ve given Parker **** all to work with most years.

that we got him a lot of picks in 2 drafts doesn’t make up for a half a dozen drafts where he had massively compromised and lean draft hands to work with.
 
finbarr said:
This whole "I cant believe what he said/did" is so played on this board.
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Did you know it was invented by Kevin Sheedy? Right after Jimmy Toumpas finished his 3km time trial.

**Edit** Dammit...too late
 
philthy05 said:
I don’t know about that exactly. Since Parker took over in 2010.

for tall defenders / forwards we’ve drafted under parker

Jonas, clurey, Howard Austin Marshall frampton Shaw Harvey Ladhams hayes pasini Grundy lord

genuine mids

Newton, wingard, wines, spp, atley drew Patmore rozee butters duursma Bergman mead

flankers / smalls / utilities

Lienert Farrell bonner Houston Jones williams young O’Shea impey

there’s a few missing but that’s the main gist of it. We haven’t really been horribly imbalanced in our drafting but have missed getting some highly rated mids. From 2010-2015 we drafted only 2 highly rated mids. 2016 onwards we’ve drafted a lot more. That first period the drafts were picked apart by expan teams and we traded out for players.

a bit of a concern, I counted we went into drafts missing a 1st rounder 4x and a 2nd rounder 3 times. In a ten year period that’s a lot of picks that we’ve somehow given up and a lot of drafts we haven’t given ourselves a good chance in.

I think we should have gone after more genuine mids, and should have targeted more talls. And especially key defenders with late picks roomie where they are commonly found…. But we’ve given Parker fu** all to work with most years.

that we got him a lot of picks in 2 drafts doesn’t make up for a half a dozen drafts where he had massively compromised and lean draft hands to work with.
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Wingard, rozee, butters, Duursma, Bergman are not genuine mids.
 

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JakeNeadeFan said:
Wingard, rozee, butters, Duursma, Bergman are not genuine mids.
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They’re as much mids as bontempelli is.

I think we need to target genuine mids going forward absolutely.

But I don’t think our lack of mids has been cause we’ve been drafting heaps of flankers lately (the evidence says otherwise).

the expan draft heist killed our chances to build in the draft from 2010-2015 + we’ve traded a bunch of picks out and gone into drafts short handed.

I’m pretty bullish on our drafting from 2016 onwards.

I think we’ve made some poor choices regarding developing midfielders (playing spp as a hff?) tried to develop motlop as a centre mid for a year or two before abandoning that. Taking Houston out of the backlines and trying to make him a mid.

going forward if we develop butters and rozee in the midfield we could look a lot more dynamic in the centre.

sadly with pick 16 and nothing I think there’s very little chance we’ve given Parker to bring us a real viable midfield option.
 
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Ford Fairlane said:
Collingwood emptied out their coaches box and have brought in McRae, Leppitsch and Bolton and their supporters are up and about again.
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God knows what will help our team, but I have little taste for this club unless we sort out our coachimg issues.

Guess I will still buy a memebership next year but a lesser one, maybe a 3 game GA instead of Platinum.
Then I can pay less attention to our performance. Don’t even give a stuff right now who we delist, which is a first for me.

We wasted a massive opportunity last weekend and I am just about done. Thankfully I was away and didn’t watch the game but from the comments and results I can see it was a pathetic effort.
 
finbarr said:
Just a gut feel, but right now it feels like we may not quite be the united club Koch likes to portray us as.
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"You scratch my back, and I'll stab yours."
 
Expat power said:
He signed the contract before he was offered the job at Wet Toast. Are we saying that had he not been offered a promotion at WC that he would have left anyway? Coaches all year have been talking about cost cutting in the AFL and how hard it's making it for them. Covid has meant longer hours for less money. We've said the same for Voss, if you get offered a promotion with more cash take it. He has.
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Unless you're his manager, then I don't think we know that he's getting more money.

I also question the premise that he's getting a promotion. From the outside looking in, it doesn't look like one and calling it one for PR purposes doesn't make it so.

I would also add that not everyone changes jobs just for money, especially if that job change involves a relocation. Job satisfaction comes into the equation for most people as well.
 
JUSTWORK said:
It’s not about giving him a free pass, it’s about recognising this has been a consistent theme for the entire time Hinkley has been senior coach.

It’s obvious the problem is bigger than the midfield coach and there’s only so much the midfield coach can do with both hands tied behind their back and a pig headed senior coach who doesn’t work well with others.

What’s Schofield, the 4th or 5th midfield coach under Hinkley and we are still plagued by the same issues.
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Absolutely. The constant rhetoric is " it's the players. The assistants aren't good enough". Yet, there is only one constant and that's Ken Hinkle's.
 
Lol, Kane Cornes has suggested bringing back Buddha Hocking or ... wait for it ... Brenton Sanderson.

What did we do to him?


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/the-assistant-coach-port-adelaide-should-have-a-chat-with/
 
i can't buy the idea that "the midfield was bad on the weekend therefore it's the midfield coaches fault", when everything points to Hinkley having the final say at the club, and Schofield having to walk out because he knows he's not going to waste his career under this regime. why would you cling onto the idea that Hinkley will be sacked and you'll be next in line when you can already tell after 3 seasons how the clubs going? imagine not going to West Coast to eventually be their senior coach if they asked you, especially over hanging around this group going nowhere. we're all Port fans and we'd go to Perth too, just to save ourselves.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Bloody hell, we're not Centrelink, we're not his wage safety net. Our forward lines is a shambles and has been for years.
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Maybe Bassett thinks this is golf - lowest score wins, and he coaches the forward line accordingly???
 

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