Jayco AlUla thread

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Yeah, he's more suited to punchier climbs. Mount Lofty doesn't suit him at all. Let him lead for the UAE your instead.
 

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eth-dog said:
Yeah, he's more suited to punchier climbs. Mount Lofty doesn't suit him at all. Let him lead for the UAE your instead.
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Actually a good starting race is the Saudi Tour - It's about time the team took a GC focus at this race.
 
Vader said:
Thoughts on Rob Stannard getting busted on a 4 year old doping violation, dating back to his time at Green Edge?

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There is much confusion about this case - Was it 2018 or 2019 ? Did they retest samples? I think there is lots to play out in this case.
 
2000 UCI points from the tour. Massive.

I think 25k will be the magic number over the triennium rankings. A strong Vuelta with Dunbar chasing a top 10 (don't think he's in the same class as guys like Almeida, Carapaz and Thomas for top 5 behind Jonas, Primoz or Remco) and Engelhardt in the break.

Hoping we send Bling to chase a couple of stage wins too. What the team should look like for me:

Climbers: Dunbar, Hamilton, Zana, Péna
All rounders: Sobrero, Durbridge, Engelhardt
Sprinter: Matthews

Péna probably doesn't go, maybe someone like Kelland O'Brien instead, but Bling should definitely be there. That sort of team could wear red on day one, two and then lose it on day 3 as we climb. There are only really 4 or 5 proper sprint stages so he'd be a strong points classification chance too.
 
Bling is not doing the Vuelta

The likely team is Dunbar, Englehardt, Hamilton, Zana, Hepburn, DeMarche, Scotson and either Grmay or Postleberger.

We must consider the TTT in stage one - The first four listed riders are poor at Tting.
 
Well that was an unmitigated disaster from start to finish. Fortunately finishing top 10 in the two previous GT's means we're still over 3000 points out of relegation.

Mauro Schmid and Max Welscheid are great classics signings, Welscheid will be very useful for DG as well in the lead out. Schmid will be able to target stages in most races as well.

Looking at Dunbar, I think he's a top 10 chance for GT's if it isn't a stacked field. Which isn't really ideal if he wants to lead two of them a year. He probably has to focus on the Giro or Tour only with Yates riding the other two.

As for other targets, should be trying to get James Knox over from Quickstep and Geoffrey Bouchard from AG2R to provide a little more mountain support and potential stage winners from a break.
 
A second sprinter would be handy, one for the Vuelta would of been ideal with the flat stages this year. Quick is still contracted for next year but he ain't cutting it at all at this point. There is no local options so it would need to be maybe someone not getting opportunity like another Dunbar type situation.
 
Apparently they are keeping two positions open in case of an Ineos/QS merger - What they really need is one or two B Grade Dutch/Belgian classic riders who can pick up points in one day races - They should be riding Langkawi and Turkey to pick up UCI points - At Langkawi Yyu could send a Pena for GC and Quick for sprints and a Zana type to Turkey.
 
Orange Agent said:
A second sprinter would be handy, one for the Vuelta would of been ideal with the flat stages this year. Quick is still contracted for next year but he ain't cutting it at all at this point. There is no local options so it would need to be maybe someone not getting opportunity like another Dunbar type situation.
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Unfortunately it seems that most are signed elsewhere already. Still think Bling should have ridden this.
 
eth-dog said:
Unfortunately it seems that most are signed elsewhere already. Still think Bling should have ridden this.
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Do you not understand that Bling has been suffering from illness and injury since March! it was a miracle that he could win a stage at the Giro - Since the World's he's ridden 12 race days and DNF'ed 6 times - His performances are hit and miss and he never had the shape to ride the Vuelta.
 
yaco55 said:
Do you not understand that Bling has been suffering from illness and injury since March! it was a miracle that he could win a stage at the Giro - Since the World's he's ridden 12 race days and DNF'ed 6 times - His performances are hit and miss and he never had the shape to ride the Vuelta.
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He's ridden 6 races since the world's and DNF twice. Get your facts right before shooting your mouth off.

We lacked options for win at the Vuelta. It was a team completely based around Dunbar having a strong GC in a field that even if he stayed fit he would have struggled to make the top 10. He's a good GC option in a weak field but that wasn't a weak field.
 

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eth-dog said:
He's ridden 6 races since the world's and DNF twice. Get your facts right before shooting your mouth off.

We lacked options for win at the Vuelta. It was a team completely based around Dunbar having a strong GC in a field that even if he stayed fit he would have struggled to make the top 10. He's a good GC option in a weak field but that wasn't a weak field.
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It should have been since the Giro - Matthews whole year was based around the Ardennes Classics, Giro and the World's - Unfortunately he got COVID before MSR, so missed races around that time - He was rushed back for the tailend of the cobbled Classics and then crashed at Flanders and missed the Ardennes - It was a miracle that he could get a stage win at the Giro - he then targetted the World's but crashed in a lead up race in Spain and did not recover to ride at his level at the World's - He was never going to ride the Vuelta because of injuries and a lack of condition. And even if Jayco followed your half-baked opinion and sent him to the Vuelta then he would have been involved in the teams crash in the stage one TTT, and none of those riders could recover during the Vuelta, outside of Sobrero who also battled illness - Th team was based around Dunbar's GC ambitions which should have been supported after his performance in the Giro - Zana, Sobrero, Scotson,Englehardt and Berhe were to be involved in breaks .At the end of the day, Jayco's Vuelta was finished after 5 minutes - Further crashes and ongoing illness made it a battle for the remaining riders to get to Madrid. The biggest mistake made during the Vuelta was teams not taking their leading sprinters when there were six nailed on sprints.
 
yaco55 said:
It should have been since the Giro - Matthews whole year was based around the Ardennes Classics, Giro and the World's - Unfortunately he got COVID before MSR, so missed races around that time - He was rushed back for the tailend of the cobbled Classics and then crashed at Flanders and missed the Ardennes - It was a miracle that he could get a stage win at the Giro - he then targetted the World's but crashed in a lead up race in Spain and did not recover to ride at his level at the World's - He was never going to ride the Vuelta because of injuries and a lack of condition. And even if Jayco followed your half-baked opinion and sent him to the Vuelta then he would have been involved in the teams crash in the stage one TTT, and none of those riders could recover during the Vuelta, outside of Sobrero who also battled illness - Th team was based around Dunbar's GC ambitions which should have been supported after his performance in the Giro - Zana, Sobrero, Scotson,Englehardt and Berhe were to be involved in breaks .At the end of the day, Jayco's Vuelta was finished after 5 minutes - Further crashes and ongoing illness made it a battle for the remaining riders to get to Madrid. The biggest mistake made during the Vuelta was teams not taking their leading sprinters when there were six nailed on sprints.
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Yeah, well I disagree. Groenewegen has never ridden multiple GT's in a year and wouldn't have backed up for it.

We selected a poor team. We needed to pick another winner in it. You think that should have been Groenewegen clearly, I think Bling. Let's leave it at that.
 
Our lack of second sprinter is shown at the CRO Race again. Looks like Peña will be our GC guy (although i think Mohoric will win) with Porter as the main climbing domestique. Not sure who our actual sprinter will be out of Stewart or O'Brien given both are more your second last/last members of the train but probably O'Brien since he gets slightly better results for the most part. But Kristoff, Dainese and Viviani would be the top 3 sprinters mostly tbh
 
eth-dog said:
Yeah, well I disagree. Groenewegen has never ridden multiple GT's in a year and wouldn't have backed up for it.

We selected a poor team. We needed to pick another winner in it. You think that should have been Groenewegen clearly, I think Bling. Let's leave it at that.
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I never suggested that Groenewegen should be at the Vuelta, merely that it was a shame that teams left wins on the board by not taking a sprinter - When there are six guaranteed sprints you take a sprinter. Just hope that groenewegen can get a win because he's been nosed out in three photo finishes and in two of them, neither rider knew who had won.
 
eth-dog said:
Our lack of second sprinter is shown at the CRO Race again. Looks like Peña will be our GC guy (although i think Mohoric will win) with Porter as the main climbing domestique. Not sure who our actual sprinter will be out of Stewart or O'Brien given both are more your second last/last members of the train but probably O'Brien since he gets slightly better results for the most part. But Kristoff, Dainese and Viviani would be the top 3 sprinters mostly tbh
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It's an uninspiring team and they should have been at the Tour of Langkawi and the Tour of Turkey next month with a similar team - I suspect that Stewart will be the sprinter.
 
yaco55 said:
It's an uninspiring team and they should have been at the Tour of Langkawi and the Tour of Turkey next month with a similar team - I suspect that Stewart will be the sprinter.
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Peña can get top 3 in the GC, which would be a good result. I think we went CRO race because there will be less competition for GC instead of Langkawi.

Not really gonna complain since it's the last race we get on SBS for the year.
 
eth-dog said:
Peña can get top 3 in the GC, which would be a good result. I think we went CRO race because there will be less competition for GC instead of Langkawi.

Not really gonna complain since it's the last race we get on SBS for the year.
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Expect Dunbar at the Tour of Guangxi - Langkawi would have given Quick a chance to get near the podium, although the winner of stage one De Klein is pretty good.
 
Luke Plapp likely to be riding for us next year.

Use him in the classics and the Giro?
 
As I previously posted. Plapp joining was on the cards. although I thought it would be 2025 - His first targets will be the National's and the TDU - Plapp will be given leadership and its a matter of Jayco bringing out his talents - Long term I see Plapp as a one week stage racer and dabbling in one day races.

In other news, Dunbar is a late entry for the CRO race and with Mohoric losing 50 seconds due to a crash, then Dunbar could just about win the race - Stewart has enough speed to win a stage if he can be better positioned in the final.
 
yaco55 said:
As I previously posted. Plapp joining was on the cards. although I thought it would be 2025 - His first targets will be the National's and the TDU - Plapp will be given leadership and its a matter of Jayco bringing out his talents - Long term I see Plapp as a one week stage racer and dabbling in one day races.

In other news, Dunbar is a late entry for the CRO race and with Mohoric losing 50 seconds due to a crash, then Dunbar could just about win the race - Stewart has enough speed to win a stage if he can be better positioned in the final.
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Watched it on SBS on Demand last night. Stewart was quick but we wasted too many matches riding on the front. Should be pressuring Ineos and Uno X to be on the front as both have the best sprinters here.
 
Plapp has had a lot of equipment issues, especially in TT's at Ineos, he should be happy to be on the Jayco set up and working with Pinotti. It's really been a waste of year for him. He is capable of a lot of things, sprint trains, mountain support and most importantly will fit in well with the team culture.
 
Stewart boxed himself in that sprint. Couldn't squeeze through and accelerate.
 

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