MRP / Trib. Jeremy Cameron sent to tribunal - Harris Andrews incident - read Mod announcement at post #67

[Colonial]

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[Clarkythelion]

Just because he is lying in the hospital doesn't make him blameless in the contact that happened. If he was better positioned he wouldn't have had to run with the ball and jump with the ball, turning his head and putting his body at risk.

If Cameron was 0.1s more advanced he would have marked the ball over Andrews and Andrews would have had his ribs crushed at best, and ribs and head damaged at worst. Regardless of what happens to Cameron with his punishment players should learn to not risk their health in dangerous ways like Andrews did here. I would say the same of J Brown and anyone who does something courageous that is one step from killing themselves over a game.

Are you totally insane - now it Harris Andrews fault? Next you will say its women's fault they get r*ped for wearing a short skirt. You are a disgrace to yourself, your club and as a football follower. Have an ounce of decency I sure as hell hope you don't have kids.

 

[Smartest Brain]

They didnt **** up.

The media pushed for it.

No way is it intentional.

The way the commentators were pushing for massive punishment from the first moment on is no doubt why the general masses are so emotional about this. It sucks for Andrews or any player that has a harsh injury from the game but there is no way Jezza intentionally lined up Andrews, was late to the contest and wanted to mess him up outside the rules. No way. You cannot be in position to chest mark the ball, jump at the same time as the other guy and then pretend he is not in the contest. Because his arm is outstretched to spoil the ball and he doesn't pull it in within 0.05 seconds does not mean it was a dirty act IMO.

Personally I would like to see the end of players being rewarded for doing incredibly risky things like going into the contest with no eyes on it. Running backwards with their arms up to mark and then getting broken ribs ala Sandilands. It's not hard imo its stupid.

 

[Smartest Brain]

Are you totally insane - now it Harris Andrews fault? Next you will say its women's fault they get r*ped for wearing a short skirt. You are a disgrace to yourself, your club and as a football follower. Have an ounce of decency I sure as hell hope you don't have kids.

I've got kids and I wouldn't educate them to play the game like Andrews or J Brown or whoever flies into a contest without good awareness of their surroundings. It is risky and if you are pushing that to kids you should be removed as coach imo.

 

[Clarkythelion]

I have three problems with your posts.

1. Stating Jezza tried to kill someone is bullshit of the highest order. You should be ashamed of yourself.
2. There is in fact no decision from the Tribunal. There is currently an assessment from the MRO that it's a serious matter. Few on this board are disputing that.
3. You in fact have no idea if we'll play finals. That sentence just removes any credibility you might have had.

Let's see then, we will know after Tuesday if there was intent or not. We will know in 4 weeks if you make the finals or not. Cameron has a record of cheap shots and yes he goes out to hurt people when they are not looking, I'm not ashamed to say that and his record shows I'm right.

 

[Danny88]

Let's see then, we will know after Tuesday if there was intent or not. We will know in 4 weeks if you make the finals or not. Cameron has a record of cheap shots and yes he goes out to hurt people when they are not looking, I'm not ashamed to say that and his record shows I'm right.

Can the MRP read minds retrospectively can it? Will it be looking back on Cameron’s intent and voicing it for us mortals?

Come on mate. He did a bad thing. We all
Acknowledge that here. He will get weeks. Again we all acknowledge that here too

You are speaking out of emotion and making rash statements about things you couldn’t possibly know. Either smarten up or go back to the petition for criminal charges to be laid that’s being discussed on your board

 

[Determinant]

This is starting to border on getting out of hand, again, please don't tempt the ban hammer.

 

[Colonial]

Let's see then, we will know after Tuesday if there was intent or not. We will know in 4 weeks if you make the finals or not. Cameron has a record of cheap shots and yes he goes out to hurt people when they are not looking, I'm not ashamed to say that and his record shows I'm right.

It really doesnt.

Some of that "record" includes throwing a shoe ffs. May want to actually check it out instead of going off BF outrage.

No one(I dont think) is saying it wasnt stupid dumb and reckless. But it wasnt intentional and the rest is just brittle bullshit.

Do wish the kid all the best.

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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Let's see then, we will know after Tuesday if there was intent or not. We will know in 4 weeks if you make the finals or not. Cameron has a record of cheap shots and yes he goes out to hurt people when they are not looking, I'm not ashamed to say that and his record shows I'm right.

No it doesn't show that at all. It is a disgraceful comment.
We actually wont know if we will make finals in 4 weeks.

 

[Danny88]

The way the commentators were pushing for massive punishment from the first moment on is no doubt why the general masses are so emotional about this. It sucks for Andrews or any player that has a harsh injury from the game but there is no way Jezza intentionally lined up Andrews, was late to the contest and wanted to mess him up outside the rules. No way. You cannot be in position to chest mark the ball, jump at the same time as the other guy and then pretend he is not in the contest. Because his arm is outstretched to spoil the ball and he doesn't pull it in within 0.05 seconds does not mean it was a dirty act IMO.

Personally I would like to see the end of players being rewarded for doing incredibly risky things like going into the contest with no eyes on it. Running backwards with their arms up to mark and then getting broken ribs ala Sandilands. It's not hard imo its stupid.

I disagree. Harris andrew did an incredibly brave thing. He is well paid to be one of the best in his position.that is what some of the best do, they put themselves in harms way for the team.

If we don’t reward that bravery by valuing it we kill a whole host of elements of the game like the shepherd and the bump. It’s a physical sport and players choose that physicality

The however part of my argument is that players have a duty of care. Cameron doesn’t have to not jump at the ball but he has a duty of care in not leading with the elbow. If it’s tucked or extended he is ok. But he isn’t cos it wasn’t

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

For those who haven't seen it Footy Phil is required listening this week I think. It's 30 mins and Kenners is on too.
Jezza incident is discussed from 3 mins in to 14 mins if you're pushed for time.

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[Giant Strides]

Good commentary from Phil. Some people need to get a little perspective, as Phil notes.

 

[Bojangles17]

Well he does have a reason to have his elbows that high as he was trying to mark or spoil it. If you look at the replay it looks like his fists are closed so a spoil is more likely which does mean he knew a player was coming back to him before he actually looked at him directly. Players who go in the direction of the ball and then look away from the incoming players are always putting themselves at risk.

If they judge this too harshly for Cameron it is essentially opening up flying defenders to be the protected species. Hard to see what Cameron could have done here except not go for the ball. His arms are literally where the ball was going to go. Maybe he could have tucked his elbow more in the 0.05 seconds when he started to turn but yeah. What do you think Cameron should have done in this instance?

The ball was nowhere near his hands nor did he make an attempt to mark it , he made a crude attempt to protect himself with no regard for his oppo , with Andrews unlikely to play again this year 8-10 weeks sounds about right

 

[Colonial]

The ball was nowhere near his hands nor did he make an attempt to mark it , he made a crude attempt to protect himself with no regard for his oppo , with Andrews unlikely to play again this year 8-10 weeks sounds about right

Yeah except that's not how it works.

Hasnt worked when we have had players taken out either.

3 to 4 weeks is fair and reasonable. Wasnt intentional.

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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Good commentary from Phil. Some people need to get a little perspective, as Phil notes.

I hated the bit about Alison having to leave the press box. That's just not right.
Strengthens my view the club should consider circling the wagons a bit, and make players and coaches available to the press more selectively.
I'm sure all clubs are obliged to provide certain things like after game coach pressers but I expect there's some wiggle room.

 

[Determinant]

Everyone has had a say, continue the convo on the MB, closing this thread until tomorrow night when there is something new to talk about

 

[Giant Strides]

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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I wonder if the Club will be taking any action about Allison having to leave the Media room at the game. As I understand it would be the home clubs responsibility yo provide a safe working environment, as they manage home and away games.
It has to be unnaceptable in a group of professionals gathered to do their job.

 

[Smartest Brain]

I wonder if the Club will be taking any action about Allison having to leave the Media room at the game. As I understand it would be the home clubs responsibility yo provide a safe working environment, as they manage home and away games.
It has to be unnaceptable in a group of professionals gathered to do their job.

Can you sum up what happened to Allison for those who haven't watched the video?

 

[Smartest Brain]

I disagree. Harris andrew did an incredibly brave thing

We can call what Andrews did brave and I am fine with that, because that line is questionable and sometimes you have to cross it to prove yourself even if you regret it later.

One of the AFL coaches who played with J brown agrees with me though, we shouldn't be teaching players to play the way Andrews did on the weekend or J Brown did..
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-25/look-before-you-leap-scott-urges-players

 

[Giant Strides]

I wonder if the Club will be taking any action about Allison having to leave the Media room at the game. As I understand it would be the home clubs responsibility yo provide a safe working environment, as they manage home and away games.

I took that as being she was just distressed at what she was reading online and hearing from the TV commentators, not anything specifically directed at her? I'm not sure that there's much that can actually be done in that regard. Or did I miss something, and there were things directed personally at her? BTW, did you read the article about Lucy Zelic being subjected to abuse on SBS just for being a female commentator at the last World Cup (and a bit again this year)? That is certainly way, way over the top. Some people just don't know how to be decent human beings in relating to others.

 

[Simmofreo]

I don't have a good feeling about this. Gonna have to get used to life without Jeremy this year.

Even the AFL live feed of the hearing has described it as "a crude hit" in their description.

The brain bleed has definately crossed the T's and dotted the I's I think

We gonna miss Jeremy this year but it was a silly thing to do and I hope the young fella Andrews makes a full recovery from the hit

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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Can you sum up what happened to Allison for those who haven't watched the video?

She didn't expand much just said she had to leave, and the behaviour might have been expected from a group of drunk men in the stands.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I took that as being she was just distressed at what she was reading online and hearing from the TV commentators, not anything specifically directed at her? I'm not sure that there's much that can actually be done in that regard. Or did I miss something, and there were things directed personally at her? BTW, did you read the article about Lucy Zelic being subjected to abuse on SBS just for being a female commentator at the last World Cup (and a bit again this year)? That is certainly way, way over the top.

I think there's a duty of care in a work environment, so does OH&S legislation. This wasn't a social occasion, she was doing her job. She did comment ut was the behaviour you'd expect from drunk men in the stands.
I think most would agree that's unnaceptable in a work environment.

 

[Jpw22511]

6 dropped to 4 with a guilty plea. 7 if fought