MRP / Trib. Jeremy Cameron sent to tribunal - Harris Andrews incident - read Mod announcement at post #67

[Colonial]

It wasn't intentional no, but what are we talking about exactly here, the collision? There are many collisions on the field that do not result in one player being reported that end in similar circumstances. Sure the collision was severe and impact was high, but if that is just what happens in the game then that is what happens.

We are beyond that though now.

No longer about on field we are in the judicial system.



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[Smartest Brain]

You've already said you haven't listened. Why do you imagine your view would be significant?

My view that if something happened then something should be done and if nothing happened then nothing should happen? My standpoint is highly controversial to you it seems....

 

[Smartest Brain]

Not the collision, the 'strike' on Harris Andrews.

Well the strike is the collision. There are many such collisions each year which end similarly, and many of them don't end in reports. I am just hard pressed to put a player who was in the drop zone of the mark into some "thug player" out to KO someone else. He was literally in the drop spot of the ball , left the ground at the same time as Andrews and had the best eyes on the contest.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

My view that if something happened then something should be done and if nothing happened then nothing should happen? My standpoint is highly controversial to you it seems....

It is annoying because you stubbornly persist in your ignorance, when the solution is in front of you. At the same time you insist on giving me your opinion. If you're not trolling why would you do that?

 

[Colonial]

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[Smartest Brain]

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Thanks for the updates, seems obvious Cameron was in position to spoil and had around 0.05 seconds to react to Andrews hitting the ball first.

 

[Simmofreo]

Robert O'Neil making a good case here with the reference to other cases called careless. But anyone get the feeling they will ignore it anyway ?

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[Giant Strides]

Rob O'Neill is now showing an incident involving Kurt Tippett and Dylan Grimes, which has been graded as careless. He submits that if Tippett's effort was a realistic attempt to spoil the ball or protect himself, Cameron's cannot be classified as intentional.

He is now showing vision of an incident involving Tim Membrey and Dylan Grimes, which has also been graded as careless. He says it is "clearly later" than Cameron's incident over the weekend.

The final bit of vision O'Neill will show involves Ty Vickery and Dean Cox, classified as intentional. O'Neill says: "That is what an intentional strike looks like, a deliberate movement of the arm with no other intent than to make contact with the player."

O'Neill is also suggesting the push from Darcy Gardiner thrust Cameron into the contest, via the push prior to the incident.

 

[Colonial]

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[Smartest Brain]

Robert O'Neil making a good case here with the reference to other cases called careless. But anyone get the feeling they will ignore it anyway ?

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What? The tribunal listen to evidence instead of VFL medias twitter outrage feed?

 

[Giant Strides]

Robert O'Neil making a good case here with the reference to other cases called careless. But anyone get the feeling they will ignore it anyway ?

Plenty of people would want them to ignore it! Despite always carrying on about the injury outcome shouldn't decide the grading of the charge, that's what Joe Public reverts to when it suits their agenda.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Robert O'Neil making a good case here with the reference to other cases called careless. But anyone get the feeling they will ignore it anyway ?

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Christiansen worded his explanation of the intentional decision carefully. He said a raised arm is usually evidence of intent. In the video with body language I got the sense he might think there's doubt, but that it needed to go the tribunal. Fair enough given the impact.

 

[BrisDog]

I disagree, Andrews was out of position and turned his eyes off the contest for nearly 2 seconds. That is just risky behaviour and even if you think Cameron elbowed him on purpose there were many legal ways that was going to end badly for Andrews. What coach would want that for his players?

How many weeks do you reckon for Andrews ‘risky behaviour’ (also known as courage)?

 

[dlanod]

Robert O'Neil making a good case here with the reference to other cases called careless. But anyone get the feeling they will ignore it anyway ?

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The tribunal don't have to pay any attention to precedence and other examples. That's been true for years, to many people's frustration.

 

[Colonial]

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[Giant Strides]

How many weeks do you reckon for Andrews ‘risky behaviour’ (also known as courage)?

Somewhere between 2 and 9 you'd expect.

 

[Smartest Brain]

How many weeks do you reckon for Andrews ‘risky behaviour’ (also known as courage)?

For Andrews? None because Cameron collected him first. If Andrews had injured Cameron with his risky behaviour I would hope he would be sanctioned. You shouldn't fly recklessly into a contest merely to not give away a free kick. If you are in a bad position just attempt to crumb the ball instead of injuring yourself or others. Very simple, even an AFL coach agrees with me.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-25/look-before-you-leap-scott-urges-players

 

[Colonial]

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[Giant Strides]

Nick Pane QC is arguing that Tippett and Membrey were closer to impacting on the ball than Cameron was. He says the incident involving Tom Jonas and Andrew Gaff is a more comparable example. That incident was graded as intentional. O'Neill says Jonas was never a realistic chance of getting to the ball, whereas Cameron was.

Hopefully they don't now rely on an umpire's assessment of 'realistic attempt' - the number of free kicks they pay for a guy who arrives a fraction of a second early or late always galls me. It's not a game where players can be that precise!

 

[Colonial]

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[Giant Strides]

Off to deliberate; a bit quicker than I actually expected.

 

[Colonial]

Off to deliberate; a bit quicker than I actually expected.

Felt forever

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[Giant Strides]

OK, heading home now - don't destroy the place while I'm gone please!

 

[Colonial]

OK, heading home now - don't destroy the place while I'm gone please!

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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Off to deliberate; a bit quicker than I actually expected.

Now we sweat.
At the end of the day I hope we accept it and move on unless it's absurd like a life ban or something.
It's a sport and this matters way less than Andrew's health. Keeping it alive longer than necessary is bad Karma to me.