Play Nice Jobe Watson hands back Brownlow Medal

[Testekill]

And for YEARS Jobe has believed he was innocent.

When all appeals had failed, and despite STILL believing he is innocent of wrongdoing, he takes less than a month to return it to the AFL.

If you think that's unreasonable then you are categorically, fundamentally wrong.

When you're banned for a ****ing year for cheating in the year that you won an award for the best & fairest then you should probably give it back as soon as you're banned for a year.

 

[Jade]

Even with a golden opportunity to show some leadership and integrity, to repair relations with the general public, it was a complete squib by all parties. Jobe MAYBE less so seeing as he has - eventually - fronted up in the end and saved the #sobrave lads of the AFL Commission from making the "most difficult decision of their lives".

And just on this - why the **** would they want to repair relations with the general public?

This saga has added a tiny little cherry on top of a mountain or manure, proving over and over again that the general public is actually rather dense.

I will tell you though, that I for one am glad - genuinely glad - that the 'so brave' and welcome back schticks are bothering the average punter. I really am.

 

[Jade]

When you're banned for a ******* year for cheating in the year that you won an award for the best & fairest then you should probably give it back as soon as you're banned for a year.

No, you should pursue the available appeal options to you if you believe the banning was wrong.

That's what you should do.

 

[I Rock]

Besides the last appeal not being about innocence, but rather process. So even if it got up none of the 34 Essendon Players would have proved their innocence. Watson should never have been in the position to have to give it back (the bloke really was on a hiding to nothing) and the AFL Commission should have informed him he was no longer eligible and taken it off him. The AFL messed this one up more than Watson has.

 

[I Rock]

And just on this - why the **** would they want to repair relations with the general public?

This saga has added a tiny little cherry on top of a mountain or manure, proving over and over again that the general public is actually rather dense.

I will tell you though, that I for one am glad - genuinely glad - that the 'so brave' and welcome back schticks are bothering the average punter. I really am.

Here is a great example of the philosophy of many Essendon Supporters, yet they complain when the greater Football Community has no sympathy for the Club or the Players......

 

[perplexed]

No, you should pursue the available appeal options to you if you believe the banning was wrong.

That's what you should do.

Unfortunately for real Essendon supporters people who think like you have been running the club into ground for years. You must be proud.

 

[Jade]

Besides the last appeal not being about innocence, but rather process. So even if it got up none of the 34 Essendon Players would have proved their innocence. Watson should never have been in the position to have to give it back (the bloke really was on a hiding to nothing) and the AFL Commission should have informed him he was no longer eligible and taken it off him. The AFL messed this one up more than Watson has.

No Essendon player - or any athlete for that matter - in the absence of a +ve should EVER have to prove their innocence.

 

[I Rock]

No Essendon player - or any athlete for that matter - in the absence of a +ve should EVER have to prove their innocence.

Then don't sign up to a WADA compliant sport....

CAS found them guilty, this "reporting" that their last appeal was to prove their innocence is incorrect. They wanted to squirm away on a technicality. An Essendon trait seeing as they had a stab at that in the Australian Courts as well.

 

[Jade]

Here is a great example of the philosophy of many Essendon Supporters, yet they complain when the greater Football Community has no sympathy for the Club or the Players......

Haha, if you think that Essendon supporters should be in any way contrite, or in any way wanting sympathy from the simpleton masses, you are mistaken.

 

[Jade]

Then don't sign up to a WADA compliant sport....

CAS found them guilty, this "reporting" that their last appeal was to prove their innocence is incorrect. They wanted to squirm away on a technicality. An Essendon trait seeing as they had a stab at that in the Australian Courts as well.

Kidding right? You do understand that athletes are not required to prove innocence without a +ve yes?

 

[I Rock]

Haha, if you think that Essendon supporters should be in any way contrite, or in any way wanting sympathy from the simpleton masses, you are mistaken.

That's the spirit, keep on keeping on. Their the simple ones, yet you and many other Essendon supporters are trying to blame everyone but those responsible for Essendon being involved in the biggest team wide doping scandal in Australian sporting history.

You want to call the public stupid and claim Essendon answer to no one. Then don't sook when they are in return labelled cheats and a disgrace to Australian sport. Beside why do you even care what the "simpleton masses" think?

 

[Jade]

Unfortunately for real Essendon supporters people who think like you have been running the club into ground for years. You must be proud.

Is that so?

Got a hell of a loss coming soon, but that aside have just signed the richest apparel deal in Australian sporting history, have the best training facilities in the game, some of the highest sponsorship AND managed to negotiate a pretty schmick looking draw to go with what looks like a bloody good list of players...

Seems like the 'people like me' are doing a pretty good job.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

When you say "athlete" you mean any? Or just footballers?

Because the IOC absolutely has the right to demand Olympic athletes return their medals.

Whether the athlete actually returns it or can get away with saying "sorry I lost it when I moved house" I do not know. I dare say there are contracts signed by all athletes, but who knows how enforceable they are.

Certainly the AFL had the right to strip Jobe after CAS ruled against him. In fact, I suspect their powers are such that they could strip the medal even without a drug finding - because the AFL loves having the power to do what it wants, when it wants.

that's being stripped of a medal mate. You said so yourself: "demand".

You do realise the post I responded to was about the onus being on the athlete not the sporting body, right?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

This has been going for YEARS.

This is probably the one binary option that should have been nailed down a very long time ago. Before even the AFL tribunal decided.

Doping: give it back. Not doping: keep it.

The only complex decision is whether or who to award it to instead.

you're just looking for something to be angry about if you are upset that Jobe returned it later than you think might have maybe been appropriate

 

[I Rock]

Kidding right? You do understand that athletes are not required to prove innocence without a +ve yes?

Kidding right, you do know you have been sprouting from the roof tops that Watson and co wanted to take all measures to prove their innocence when the last appeal was anything but. I am not talking about the CAS or WADA, just yours and many others misinformation that the Swiss appeal was to prove their innocence.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

When you're banned for a ******* year for cheating in the year that you won an award for the best & fairest then you should probably give it back as soon as you're banned for a year.

you don't award yourself a medal.

Neither are you obliged to return it.

These are decisions for governing bodies, not athletes

 

[Jade]

That's the spirit, keep on keeping on. Their the simple ones, yet you and many other Essendon supporters are trying to blame everyone but those responsible for Essendon being involved in the biggest team wide doping scandal in Australian sporting history.

You want to call the public stupid and claim Essendon answer to know one. Then don't sook when they are in return labelled cheats and a disgrace to Australian sport. Beside why do you even care what the "simpleton masses" think?

Mmmkay.....

I have, repeatedly, blamed the Essendon Football Club for this debacle. So you went and claimed something without so much as bothering to check the accuracy of it. Wildly swinging are we?

And sook? Do I look like I'm sooking? Your indignation seems to come from the fact that I (and others) are doing quite the opposite.

Let's be very clear here - I don't care what the 'simpleton masses' think. Doesn't mean for a second that I do not judge them for their obtuseness however.

 

[Le Grille]

ugh this thread just gave me gastro........


But what was a catastrophic situation has had the biggest silver lining of all time in that EFC are now THE best run club in Australia, and we'll still probably win premierships from here on in before a lot of your mobs.

Ciao babes

So well run they just received a fine for not keeping ASADA informed of players whereabouts.

 

[Jade]

Kidding right, you do know you have been sprouting from the roof tops that Watson and co wanted to take all measures to prove their innocence when the last appeal was anything but. I am not talking about the CAS or WADA, just yours and many others misinformation that the Swiss appeal was to prove their innocence.

There it is again, claiming something without validating it. You are struggling.

Don't want to answer the question? Here, I'll ask it again:

You do understand that athletes are not required to prove innocence without a +ve yes?

 

[Le Grille]

you don't award yourself a medal.

Neither are you obliged to return it.

These are decisions for governing bodies, not athletes

Perhaps, but surely the whole fellating of Jobe for being brave, honourable blah blah is not quite deserved either

 

[I Rock]

There it is again, claiming something without validating it. You are struggling.

Don't want to answer the question? Here, I'll ask it again:

You do understand that athletes are not required to prove innocence without a +ve yes?

Actually in my haste I may have mistaken you for another Poster on the "innocence" claim. Hence the mix up in back and forth.

 

[Jade]

Actually in my haste I may have mistaken you for another Poster on the "innocence" claim. Hence the mix up in back and forth.

That's quite alright....

 

[I Rock]

Not gonna lie, I am frequently the smartest person in this room.

Having said that I'm glad that you acknowledge that you claimed things without any validation.

I picture you forced to be on your own a lot. So that makes sense.

As for second point, see above.

 

[Ron The Bear]

And for YEARS Jobe has believed he was innocent.

When all appeals had failed, and despite STILL believing he is innocent of wrongdoing, he takes less than a month to return it to the AFL.

If you think that's unreasonable then you are categorically, fundamentally wrong.

Hird still believes he's innocent as well. Watson's not saying anything different in maintaining a "wronged nobleman" stance. Don't see why one is held to be more credible than the other.

 

[Jade]

Hird still believes he's innocent as well. Watson's not saying anything different, sticking to the "wronged nobleman" defence. Don't see why one is held to be more credible than the other.

There is no correlation between the two.