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Play Nice Jobe Watson hands back Brownlow Medal

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Jade said:
Preeeeeeety much.

The fact that the AFL did NOT have a plan in place contingent on the outcome of the appeal says a lot about how contemptible they are as an organisation.
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This whole sorry saga has highlighted just how poor of an organisation the AFL is. They can't follow a set of procedures and rules because they are so used to being Kings of their own shallow swimming pool and making it up as they go along. You could tell they hated ASADA then WADA being around because not only could they uncover what was hiding under the rug, the AFL didn't like being held accountable and being told what to do.
 
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Lance Uppercut said:
Bigfooty, one week ago: "Jobe Watson should hand the medal back, regain some dignity"

Bigfooty today: "What? Watson handed the medal back? What a disgusting attempt to get PR. He should have handed it back the minute he was charged with an offence, an it's entirely his fault!!"
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They're not mutually exclusive. It's clear he was going to be asked to hand it back, luckily he did so prior to being made to, in a face-saving act. Imagine what would have been said if the AFL demanded that he return it? Of course they were going to give him a chance.

Stop being so obtuse, your arguments are laughable - you're not convincing anyone.
 

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Lance Uppercut said:
you're just looking for something to be angry about if you are upset that Jobe returned it later than you think might have maybe been appropriate
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No, I am justifiably annoyed at the dithering and bullshit, followed by the praise of Jobe for doing something that was inevitable anyway, after unreasonable delay and under cover of another big news story.

All parties had several years to consider this very situation. Not just a few weeks. YEARS.

There's no honour or bravery here. But the emotional Essendon supporters will hastag their way through it and claim the moral highground.

In any case, the facts are clear and repeating them yet again won't change the entrenched mindset of some people.

Good on Jobe for FINALLY giving it up, but it's not some brave and honourable act.
 
Chief said:
No, I am justifiably annoyed at the dithering and bullshit, followed by the praise of Jobe for doing something that was inevitable anyway, after unreasonable delay and under cover of another big news story.

All parties had several years to consider this very situation. Not just a few weeks. YEARS.

There's no honour or bravery here. But the emotional Essendon supporters will hastag their way through it and claim the moral highground.

In any case, the facts are clear and repeating them yet again won't change the entrenched mindset of some people.

Good on Jobe for FINALLY giving it up, but it's not some brave and honourable act.
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#HoldingOurHeadsHigh #SoBraveJobe
 
Chief said:
No, I am justifiably annoyed at the dithering and bullshit, followed by the praise of Jobe for doing something that was inevitable anyway, after unreasonable delay and under cover of another big news story.

All parties had several years to consider this very situation. Not just a few weeks. YEARS.

There's no honour or bravery here. But the emotional Essendon supporters will hastag their way through it and claim the moral highground.

In any case, the facts are clear and repeating them yet again won't change the entrenched mindset of some people.

Good on Jobe for FINALLY giving it up, but it's not some brave and honourable act.
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Why couldn't Jobe keep it for as long as all avenues were being played out? There's an emotional attachment there for him, why can't he hold it for as long as he wants. The AFL could've taken it off him YEARS ago. They didn't. Spit a few chips their way while you're at it.
 
Chief said:
No, I am justifiably annoyed at the dithering and bullshit, followed by the praise of Jobe for doing something that was inevitable anyway, after unreasonable delay and under cover of another big news story.

All parties had several years to consider this very situation. Not just a few weeks. YEARS.

There's no honour or bravery here. But the emotional Essendon supporters will hastag their way through it and claim the moral highground.

In any case, the facts are clear and repeating them yet again won't change the entrenched mindset of some people.

Good on Jobe for FINALLY giving it up, but it's not some brave and honourable act.
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Well I'm still waiting for that 'Veterans' badge you were banging on about years ago, but still haven't delivered. #years #wheresmybadge #bringbacktlc

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/new-vet-rank-badge.870121/page-3
 
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Can anyone offer any reason why Watson should not be stripped of his All Australian gong for 2012?

What other awards did he win in 2012? Any media prizes (including cash awards)? Essendon B&F would be tricky but someone like Zaharakis should be awarded.

As in any other international professional sport, he ought to be stripped of any award he won in the year he was found to have cheated.
 

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Jade said:
Is that so?

Got a hell of a loss coming soon, but that aside have just signed the richest apparel deal in Australian sporting history, have the best training facilities in the game, some of the highest sponsorship AND managed to negotiate a pretty schmick looking draw to go with what looks like a bloody good list of players...

Seems like the 'people like me' are doing a pretty good job.
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I had no idea you got free tracksuits out of it all. Carry on.
 
Jade said:
How does that impact Jobe?

It's not his medal - it has nothing to do with him.
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By not re-awarding the medal it allows revisionist historians to declare "that was the year Prince Jobe abdicated in the spirit of the game, to preserve the honour of the award that was tainted when a foreign body known as CAS interfered with the AFL's own verdict on murky drugs allegations".

It's about perpetuating doubt where there is none.
 
Billyc said:
Can anyone offer any reason why Watson should not be stripped of his All Australian gong for 2012?

What other awards did he win in 2012? Any media prizes (including cash awards)? Essendon B&F would be tricky but someone like Zaharakis should be awarded.

As in any other international professional sport, he ought to be stripped of any award he won in the year he was found to have cheated.
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Too hard basket is my guess, the only one most of the public and media cared about was the Brownlow and that's now done. The AFL will either award it or void it, and thus should end the bulk of coverage of the saga - just in time for the AFL Draft.
 
Ron The Bear said:
By not re-awarding the medal it allows revisionist historians to declare "that was the year Prince Jobe abdicated in the spirit of the game, to preserve the honour of the award that was tainted when a foreign body known as CAS interfered with the AFL's own verdict on murky drugs allegations".

It's about perpetuating doubt where there is none.
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Again though, has absolutely nothing to do with Jobe.
 
Pweter said:
Why couldn't Jobe keep it for as long as all avenues were being played out? There's an emotional attachment there for him, why can't he hold it for as long as he wants. The AFL could've taken it off him YEARS ago. They didn't. Spit a few chips their way while you're at it.
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All avenues played out a month ago.

The options should have been explored much, much earlier.

But obviously to the AFL, the EFC and some supporters, and to Jobe, he is only "CAS guilty" - which to them is far inferior to "AFL innocent".

This decision was probably the only uncomplicated thing about the whole affair and they blew it up into "hardest decision anyone has ever had to make".

Utterly ridiculous.


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owen87 said:
Too hard basket is my guess, the only one most of the public and media cared about was the Brownlow and that's now done. The AFL will either award it or void it, and thus should end the bulk of coverage of the saga - just in time for the AFL Draft.
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I agree that is the likely (in fact almost certain) end result but it just goes to show what an amateur organisation the AFL can be. Stripping players of all awards won during the year they were found to have taken PED is the most straightforward part of the entire saga. Letting sentiment, the player's family and his popularity weigh on the issue is amateur and embarrassing.
 
Chief said:
All avenues played out a month ago.

The options should have been explored much, much earlier.

But obviously to the AFL, the EFC and some supporters, and to Jobe, he is only "CAS guilty" - which to them is far inferior to "AFL innocent".

This decision was probably the only uncomplicated thing about the whole affair and they blew it up into "hardest decision anyone has ever had to make".

Utterly ridiculous.


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Jobe didn't have to do a thing, he could've waited until the AFL commission hearing. Yes it was inevitable that he'd lose it but he didn't have to do a thing until his hand was forced. So he decided to hand it in last week, who cares?

It sounds like you're getting worked up for the sake of it. Relax, let it go. I'm sure the world will keep turning.
 
Billyc said:
I agree that is the likely (in fact almost certain) end result but it just goes to show what an amateur organisation the AFL can be. Stripping players of all awards won during the year they were found to have taken PED is the most straightforward part of the entire saga. Letting sentiment, the player's family and his popularity weigh on the issue is amateur and embarrassing.
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The AFL isn't the first sporting organisation to do this; Cycling is probably the most well known sport for doping scandals and it still does this kind of stuff.

Even better are the US sports that don't need government funding that just stop bothering with WADA entirely though.
 
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