Scandal Joel Smith (Melbourne): Cocaine trafficking accusation

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Scandal - Joel Smith (Melbourne): Cocaine trafficking accusation

Trafficking Accusation: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/joel-smith-melbourne-cocaine-trafficking-accusation.1373812/post-82421629 MFC and AFL Statements: Melbourne Football Club Media Statement – Joel Smith The Melbourne Football Club has been advised by the AFL that further...
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MFC and AFL Statements:

Melbourne Football Club Media Statement – Joel Smith

The Melbourne Football Club has been advised by the AFL that further Anti-Doping Rule Violations have been asserted against Joel Smith by Sport Integrity Australia.

The Melbourne Football Club is not authorised to make public comment while this is an ongoing matter that is being investigated by Sport Integrity Australia.

It should be noted since the article has been published on the Herald Sun website, Joel’s management has contacted the Club on his behalf to advise that the comments made by the source within the article are not reflective of Joel’s views and the source is not speaking on any authority from Joel.

Joel has made it very clear that he has no issues or concerns with anyone at the Melbourne Football Club.

As the Club has previously stated, we will wait for the investigation to be completed before we update our supporters further.

AFL STATEMENT – JOEL SMITH

The AFL confirms that further Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs) have been asserted against Joel Smith of the Melbourne Football Club under the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code.

Sport Integrity Australia (SIA) has notified Smith that three ADRVs for “Trafficking or Attempted Trafficking” of Cocaine to third parties are asserted against him.

Under the Code, Trafficking in an anti-doping context is relevantly defined to be “Selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering or distributing a Prohibited Substance, by an Athlete … to any third party [but] shall not include actions involving Prohibited Substances which are not prohibited in Out-of-Competition Testing unless the circumstances as a whole demonstrate such Prohibited Substances are not intended for genuine and legal therapeutic purposes or are intended to enhance sport performance” (Article 1 of the Code).

Further, SIA has notified Smith that an ADRV for Possession of a Prohibited Substance (Cocaine) on 9 September 2022 is asserted against him.

These ADRVs are in addition to that previously asserted against him (in connection with a sample provided by him after the match between Melbourne and Hawthorn on 20 August 2023 which tested positive to Cocaine and its metabolite, Benzoylecgonine).

Smith will continue to be provisionally suspended pending the finalisation of all of these matters, meaning he is not permitted to be part of Melbourne’s football program, including Melbourne’s pre-season training that is currently underway.

Under the Code, the new asserted ADRVs will be further investigated by SIA and these matters may ultimately be heard by an AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal in the coming months.

Due to the ongoing nature of the anti-doping process, the AFL and SIA are unable to make any further comment at this time.
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Cyclops said:
www.melbournefc.com.au

Joint Statement | Melbourne Football Club and Glen Bartlett

Melbourne Football Club and Glen Bartlett have released a joint statement
www.melbournefc.com.au www.melbournefc.com.au

Goodwin was cleared by Pert and Roffey? They've been hurled out of the club on the trebuchet of shame as yet another drug raddled Dee came unstuck.

There was no retraction by Bartlet, so his allegations stand. The court case fell over because everyone ran out of money.

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Months before being unceremoniously hurled into the ether Pert declared Melbourne has the greatest culture he's seen in forty years. Perhaps he meant "purest, uncut, A grade".
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Disco sh*t, pure as the driven snow.
 
Zen242 said:
You have literally no idea what you are talking about.

Smith was a backup role player who played a couple of good finals when literally every other more talented/reliable forward was out injured.

McAdam didnt get many games because he was injured for some of the year and in the games he did play, despite being slight he was neither fast nor seemingly able to kick further than 35 metres.

Your spell is lifted.
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markm106 said:
Smith was also found guilty trafficking wasn’t he? Probably why he copped 4 years.
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I am more interested in whether the NDA checked Bracewell's phone. The Smith decision was a crock.
 
Phone said:
www.espncricinfo.com

Doug Bracewell serves one-month ban after testing positive for cocaine

The suspension was backdated to commence on April 11, which was the date of the provisional suspension order, so Bracewell is eligible to play now
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

new zealand cricketer doug bracewell tests positive for cocaine on match day. 1 month ban. interesting
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If it’s only 1 month I reckon a few fast bowlers could use a few party drugs and run through a brick wall all afternoon for a final. What a joke
 
markm106 said:
Smith was also found guilty trafficking wasn’t he? Probably why he copped 4 years.
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yes, and this is the whole problem with the suspension for me. WADA has been very clear in moving towards leniency regarding match day positives for Substance of Abuse drugs (cocaine, etc), hence 1 to 3 month bans for what used to be 2 to 4 year bans. If Joel Smith could successfully argue something along the lines of, to quote the Bracewell article, "his use occurred out-of-competition, being prior to midnight on the day before the match, and that it was unrelated to sport performance", what purpose has been served by SIA spending basically a year building a "trafficking" case to ban Smith for 4 years? If the drug that's being "trafficked" is cocaine, and it's crystal clear that any/all parties involved were planning to use the drug out of competition, what has been accomplished here?

As far as I'm concerned, Smith's ban goes completely against the intent of WADA's changes from 2021 onwards and I think SIA spending their time on this ban should be questioned as an appropriate use of resources (particularly given this became a political thing due to Andrew Wilkie being a dumb idiot and getting himself involved with the Glen Bartlett vs the World drama). I think the ban stinks. And I think it stinks that no-one in the AFL media landscape is sticking up for Smith. Everyone's more concerned about putting the boot into him and Melbourne. All the time in AFL media, we see people defend the indefensible (see: the GWS/fancy dress stuff) but no-one is saying anything here. God knows we saw plenty of people trying to defend Essendon during the saga (to be crystal clear: I have no problems with the Essendon bans) but here? crickets.

And to be clear, Joel Smith was an idiot. He was an idiot to be doing this stuff during the season. But here are the three "trafficking" charges:

On and/or between 28 July 2022 and 30 July 2022 (Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking)
On and/or between 5 September 2022 and 10 September 2022 (Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking)
On and/or between 12 April 2020 and 7 September 2020 (Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking)

So we have two very small windows.......and then a 5 month window. For two of those months, the season wasn't even running, thanks to covid. If Joel Smith was scoring coke in April 2020 and asking team-mates if they wanted any when the world was shut down, that's certainly a moral failing, but really what has that got to do with SIA?

It'd be interesting to learn if the NZ investigators went back 4 years trying to find any messages that could nail Bracewell on a trafficking charge. And that was what I meant by "interesting" in my previous post. We've now got a strikingly similar story from across the ditch, with one guy getting a one month ban and one guy getting a four year ban. It'd be interesting for some media folk to start digging around and trying to compare and contrast how the two cases were handled by the different bodies. Maybe there's nothing to see here. Maybe Bracewell was a hog and didn't share any with his team-mates. Maybe he was a smart cookie and made sure he had nothing written down. But to me, two guys tested positive. One guy ended up with a four year ban. One guy got a month ban. That's interesting.

Of Smith's 5 charges, the most grievous charge is being in possession of cocaine on the day of a match. Again, that's idiotic of Smith, and who knows, maybe that's what got him the four year ban, and not the other stuff. But even then, that possession charge from 2022 comes almost a whole year before the failed drug test in 2023. I just keep coming back to WADA's intent here: they changed the rules to allow for match day positives for cocaine to be ~month long bans instead of year long ban. Is SIA spending a year to build a trafficking case, likely for cocaine, really what should have happened here? (and as I've said earlier, WADA has questions to answer here too. It's not much use charging the rules if bodies like SIA can just go off and find a way to nail the guy for 4 years anyway)
 
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Cyclops said:
Sorry are we arguing a PED peddler with multiple instances of peddling to other players deserves leniency?

Nah, if they wanted to make an example a life ban would do the trick. Smith got off lightly.
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PED?

How is cocaine a PED when it's taken 12 hours before the game?

The effects only last for 20 minutes lol
 
Bucking Bronco said:
PED?

How is cocaine a PED when it's taken 12 hours before the game?

The effects only last for 20 minutes lol
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It is on the World Anti-Doping Code list, but as noted in the article above, Cocaine is clearly listed as part of the Substances of Abuse Category, joining the likes of ecstasy and heroin. As of 2021, there are suspension discounts on offer if the athlete can demonstrate that the drug was used out-of-competition. WADA, therefore, does not seem to be particularly concerned about it's PED capabilities.

There's a history of it being used for performance enhancing reasons, but of course, there's a history of caffeine being used for that reason too, but WADA no longer lists caffeine as a prohibited substance, instead moving it to the Monitoring Program.
 

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Aussie in exile said:
Read and weep
www.sydney.edu.au

Why cocaine is considered performance-enhancing for athletes

www.sydney.edu.au www.sydney.edu.au
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Have you ever used it before?

It literally would make your performance worse if you've used it 12 hours ago.

The article you posted even says: However, despite the perceived benefits, it is highly unlikely an athlete would use it for performance enhancement. This is because the duration of the euphoric sensation is relatively brief, maybe as short as 15-30 minutes, and often followed by a rapid decline in mood and energy levels.
Aussie in exile said:
Cocaine can stay in you body up to 48 hours that's why it's a stimulant

How long does cocaine stay in your system?

Find information explaining how long cocaine can stay in your system. Understand factors that affect detection rate and how long a cocaine high lasts.
www.priorygroup.com www.priorygroup.com
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Dude no.

That's how long you can test positive for.

The duration of action is 20 minutes, the half-life is 1 hour.

The article that you also posted said: After taking cocaine, you may also experience what's known as a cocaine comedown/crash the next day. Depending on how much cocaine is in your body, the symptoms of a comedown can vary, but the most common symptom is excessive fatigue. You may also experience psychological symptoms, such as depression and anxiety, and physical symptoms, like a stomach ache.

Do you really think that is going to increase anyone's performance
 
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Bucking Bronco said:
Have you ever used it before?

It literally would make your performance worse if you've used it 12 hours ago.

The article you posted even says: However, despite the perceived benefits, it is highly unlikely an athlete would use it for performance enhancement. This is because the duration of the euphoric sensation is relatively brief, maybe as short as 15-30 minutes, and often followed by a rapid decline in mood and energy levels.


Dude no.

That's how long you can test positive for.

The duration of action is 20 minutes, the half-life is 1 hour.

The article that you also posted said: After taking cocaine, you may also experience what's known as a cocaine comedown/crash the next day. Depending on how much cocaine is in your body, the symptoms of a comedown can vary, but the most common symptom is excessive fatigue. You may also experience psychological symptoms, such as depression and anxiety, and physical symptoms, like a stomach ache.

Do you really think that is going to increase anyone's performance
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Dude your defence of cocaine isn't backed up by science, and i would sooner believe the science than you.
 
Aussie in exile said:
Dude your defence of cocaine isn't backed up by science, and i would sooner believe the science than you.
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But it is backed up by science.

Which is why WADA only bans it "in competition". Because the performance enhancement from it is very short term.
WADA has previously taken a harsh stance on drugs being "in a person's body" because the testing doesn't tell you when it was taken. It could've been taken 24 hours earlier, and is no longer having an effect, or immediately before the competition. Even then, sample taking can occur a considerable time after the actual competition.
 
Duckimus Prime said:
But it is backed up by science.

Which is why WADA only bans it "in competition". Because the performance enhancement from it is very short term.
WADA has previously taken a harsh stance on drugs being "in a person's body" because the testing doesn't tell you when it was taken. It could've been taken 24 hours earlier, and is no longer having an effect, or immediately before the competition. Even then, sample taking can occur a considerable time after the actual competition.
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How long does cocaine stay in your system?

Find information explaining how long cocaine can stay in your system. Understand factors that affect detection rate and how long a cocaine high lasts.
www.priorygroup.com www.priorygroup.com
 

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Scandal Joel Smith (Melbourne): Cocaine trafficking accusation

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